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Re: Need help identifying boxcar
Mark Heiden
Hi Don,
Do you mean the 4500? Those ends are the problem (I think it's Murphy on the Accurail). I'd want to take a closer look at it but it might do as a "three-footer". Mark Heiden --- In STMFC@..., newrail@s... wrote: Did the MoPac use Z bars or hat section framing? For a quickversion one can rework an Accurail car and come reasonably close to this WAG car.1956. Any modeling suggestions would be welcome. Also, if anyone wants to take
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Re: broken plastic parts (was charter revision)
Garrett W. Rea <Garrett.Rea@...>
--- In STMFC@..., Brian Paul Ehni <behni@c...> wrote:
Mine came in a padded envelope, too, but the parts were taped tosome heavy cardstock.another pair, telling them to pack better.I had a run in with the now infamous DT&I cars. All the well known problems, so I will spare everyone. I wrote them a nice (i.e., not bitching or nasty), well detailed letter detailing the problems. They sent me replacements for everything, by Fed-Ex, in a nice box. Branchline get all As from me for supplying us with kits, if they go RTR, I do not know what I would do....probably back to European prototype modelling, especially if the dollar ever gets stonger. Garrett Rea Nashville, TN
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Re: buying direct
Don Valentine
Quoting Eric <newyorkcentralfan@...>:
Don wrote:"I think you misunderstand something, Eric. With a normal 50% plusI was under the impression that when an item MSRPs for $10.00 then My Lord, Eric, wherever did you get that impression???? I do not know of ANY industry that offers such generous terms to distributors/wholesalers. IN any case, it is not that way in the hobby industry. "You can refer to Walthers as the Milwaukee Mafia if you like, andI was being faceteous. That and that I just got a visit from Phil Are you putting me on????? Did you really get an e-mail from Phil Walthers or one of the several on the staff that are STMFC members? I believe Phil was traveling yesterday but anything is possible. Surprisingly, this was not always the case. Western Star Distributors"but in the overall they do a better job with and for smallerI agree with that. used to have a fellow working for them who is in thenow in Virginia instead of California and when he was with Western Star they easily outsold Walthers for months on anything new. I have always felt that was becasue he went out and "sold" product rather than sat there and only took orders. Take care, Don Valentine
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Re: Need help identifying boxcar
Don Valentine
Did the MoPac use Z bars or hat section framing? For a quick version one
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can rework an Accurail car and come reasonably close to this WAG car. Don Valentine Quoting Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>:
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Re: broken plastic parts (was charter revision)
Paul Lyons
Ed, How about sharing Jack Spencer technique for thinning out BT roofwailks so they are see through.
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Paul Lyons Oceanside, CA
In a message dated 7/8/2004 5:34:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> writes:
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Re: Bruce's Trains hoppers (was: broken plastic parts)
jaley <jaley@...>
On Jul 8, 6:00pm, Brian J Carlson wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bruce's Trains hoppers (was: broken plastic parts) Brian, Bruce's Train Shop is a hobby shop in Sacramento, California. They do some custom stuff, mostly for SP fans. Their web site is http://www.brucestrainshop.com/ . Regards, -Jeff -- Jeff Aley jaley@... DPG Chipsets Product Engineering Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA (916) 356-3533
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Re: Bruce's Trains hoppers (was: broken plastic parts)
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Brian Carlson asked:
What's Bruce's Trains this is a new one to me? Bruce's Trains is a hobby shop out in Sacramento: Bruce's Trains 2828 Marconi Ave Sacramento, CA 95821 (916) 485-5288 They have a small "house brand" of resin kits, mostly concentrating on prototypes of local interest such as SP and WP. I'll leave it to Dr. Anspach to fill in the details... Ben Hom
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Re: Bruce's Trains hoppers (was: broken plastic parts)
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
What's Bruce's trains this is a new one to me?
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Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY
----- Original Message -----
From: Garth Groff To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 3:26 PM Subject: [STMFC] Bruce's Trains hoppers (was: broken plastic parts) Tim, Note that some of the hopper cars Bruce's Trains offers are also correct for other roads. Their HG-21 hopper was also used by the WP, and I think the C&NW. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff Tim O'Connor wrote: > >Bowser made styrene see-through walks for their ACF hoppers that >are pretty good. And the ready-to-run resin SP freight cars from >Bruce's Train Shop include a hopper car with see-through resin >end platforms . . . . > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Re: buying direct
Don wrote:
"I think you misunderstand something, Eric. With a normal 50% plus 10% distributor discount structure the manufacturer gets 45% of the suggested retail price." I was under the impression that when an item MSRPs for $10.00 then the retailer has gotten it from the wholesaler for about $5.00. The Wholesaler has gotten it from the manifacturer for about $2.50 or about 25% of the MSRP. Is the hobby industry that different? "You can refer to Walthers as the Milwaukee Mafia if you like, and there have been days when their occasional high-handed manner would prompt me to agree with you," I was being faceteous. That and that I just got a visit from Phil 'knuckles' Walthers informing me there is no such thing as the mafia. ;-) "but in the overall they do a better job with and for smaller manufacturers such as N.E.R.S. than any other distributor out there. Most distributors only want the Athearn, Atlas, M.D.C. and Life-Like sized manufacturers and won't even talk to smaller firms." I agree with that. Eric [PASS} Don Valentine ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag
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Re: broken plastic parts (was charter revision)
Ed Hawkins
On Thursday, July 8, 2004, at 10:06 AM, Andy Harman wrote:
I saw some early samples which would have been see-through, but too manyAndy and Brian, Regarding the HO scale running boards, both Kadee's and Branchline Trains' running boards best represent the Apex Tri-Lok, which was the most common type used during the 1940s and '50s. Having done some research for an upcoming article on the subject of running boards for RP CYC, I have learned some interesting stuff about them. The Apex running boards had 13 longitudinal members that were 1" high with a 1/8" serrated top edge for footing. The 1/8" serrations are lost when reduced to HO scale. While I agree wholeheartedly that the Kadee R/B looks terrific (I also use them extensively), it is actually not prototypically correct as it has only 11 longitudinal members. The BT R/B has the correct amount of 13. Kadee must have chosen to compromise the prototype design in order that the mold would fill. Kadee's crosswise members measure just over 4" apart and the BT crosswise members measure 6" apart. Apex R/B built from 1938 to approximately 1953 had crosswise members spaced 3-1/2" apart. Apex changed by 1953 and increased the spacing to 5-7/8". Blaw-Knox, who had running boards that were similar in appearance (from a distance) to the Apex also increased their crosswise member spacing by circa 1949/51 (per the CBC) from 4" to 6". There were more changes but these were the most significant from an appearance standpoint. Kadee uses acetal plastic that flows better and fills easier than styrene. I understand that BT uses a form of styrene. Kadee's detail parts made of acetal plastic are virtually indestructible. The downside to acetal plastic is that it doesn't hold paint and that is why Kadee molds the parts with color rather than painting them. The BT running boards and other detail parts are paintable. The BT running board mold must be getting worn because I've noticed more flash on the running board detail compared to a few years ago when the 40'-6" box cars were first introduced. Jack Spencer showed me a method that he uses to remove material from the bottom of the BT running board such that the remaining portion is scale thickness and open-grid. The process is labor intensive, but it yields an excellent running board when the job is completed. Even after all this work, the BT running board is accurate for cars built 1953 and later with the 6" crosswise spacing. While in HO scale I don't get overly concerned about all this, I believe the visual differences in O scale (and even S scale) would be quite noticeable. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Re: broken plastic parts
Branchline seems to make everything from styrene - the only successfulBowser made styrene see-through walks for their ACF hoppers that are pretty good. And the ready-to-run resin SP freight cars from Bruce's Train Shop include a hopper car with see-through resin end platforms. Kadee's technology is definitely a secret. I know people who would really love to know how they do it!
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Steamfreightcars.com
prsearls <prsearls@...>
I am having trouble accessing www.steamfreightcars.com. I can only see the top 1/2 inch
of their pages when I try to view their files. What am I doing wrong? Thanks Paul Searls
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Re: Need help identifying boxcar
Sure looks like another Missouri Pacific car to me. I
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think this is one of the cars available from Westerfield.
Hello everyone,
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Re: broken plastic parts (was charter revision)
There was once a discussion "Kadee vs. Plano" in which it was Manfred, the Plano parts are .010" or .87" HO scale. A prototype APEX running board is 1.00" thick. If you can see a 1/8" HO scale difference then you've got much better eyesight than me! I think the Kadee, like all plastic running boards, are too thick. Open grid tank cars runways, on the other hand, are 2" thick. It would be nice to have etched metal parts for those.
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street elbow
ed_mines
--- In STMFC@..., Garth Groff <ggg9y@v...> wrote:
Friends, Bruce and Richard's excellent comments on dome platforms brings to mind a tank car need we've had for a long time: castings for "L" and "Y" shaped safety valves that were used on new equipment up until the 1920s or so. Those "L" shaped fittings with male treads on one leg (going into the dome) and female threads on the other leg are called "street elbows". Ed
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Re: Need help identifying boxcar
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Mark Heiden wrote:
I think the WAG's gondola fleet was a collection of one of a kinds (or a few of a kinds). We can say that about their entire freight car fleet, or for that matter, the freight car fleets of all of the Salzburg roads. Ben Hom
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Re: Need help identifying boxcar
Mark Heiden
Thanks for the identity of the boxcar, Richard. The part in my
original message about the gondola was a desparate hope that someone might recognize the end of it. I think the WAG's gondola fleet was a collection of one of a kinds (or a few of a kinds). Mark Heiden --- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@o...> wrote: I can't help with the gondola, as not enough of it is visible.However the box car is unmistakably ex-Northern Pacific 14500-14999 (NP BrainerdShops 1931-'32) or 20000-20499 (NP Laurel Shops 1931-'32). Sunshine hasrecently issued resin kits for these cars.
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Re: Need help identifying boxcar
Richard Hendrickson
Mark Heiden writes:
There is a Wellsville, Addison & Galeton boxcar I need help toI can't help with the gondola, as not enough of it is visible. However the box car is unmistakably ex-Northern Pacific 14500-14999 (NP Brainerd Shops 1931-'32) or 20000-20499 (NP Laurel Shops 1931-'32). Sunshine has recently issued resin kits for these cars. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520
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Bruce's Trains hoppers (was: broken plastic parts)
Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
Tim,
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Note that some of the hopper cars Bruce's Trains offers are also correct for other roads. Their HG-21 hopper was also used by the WP, and I think the C&NW. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff Tim O'Connor wrote:
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Re: broken plastic parts - reasonable thickness?
Brian Chapman <cornbeltroute@...>
There was once a discussion "Kadee vs. Plano" in which it wasreasoned that Plano is too thin. < K&S offers brass sheet in .016 inch thickness (1.392 inches in real world, if modeling HO). Just after opinions here: Would .016 give a better appearance than .010 thickness metal perhaps and yet be acceptable with a thickness 40 percent greater than the prototype? Thanks, Brian Chapman Cedar Rapids, Iowa ---
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