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Re: SP USRA gon?
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
David Soderblom wrote:
In the following photo, is that car one of the EP&SW USRA gons thatNope, that's an all-steel car. It appears to be Class G-50-2 from the uneven side panels and the ribbed end. See pages 70, 71 in the gondola book. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: book - "North American Railyards"
Kert Peterson <kertp@...>
On 2/10/2004, Ed Mines asked:
Anyone familiar with said book published by Motor Books?Ed, My wife bought that book for me for Christmas. Excellent book on freight yard design and operation. It covers the major freight yards of each of the Class 1 railroads in the US and Canada, plus a handful of smaller ones, like the IHB. Great photos, and excellent trackplans of the yards. Cheers, Kert Peterson Fircrest, WA kertp@...
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Re: C&NW boxcar stencil arrangement
John F. Campbell <jcampbel@...>
At 8:05 AM -0500 2/11/04, CBarkan@... wrote:
I can't say that I have EVER seen a C&NW boxcar stenciled as is the one on================ This was common lettering on TOFC trailers during 1965 (and earlier)... Both smooth sided & corrugated sided... JFC
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Re: B&LE questions
Ed Hawkins
On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 11:07 AM, Ted Culotta wrote:
The first two photos are of gons. One is B&LE 36945, blt. 12/1942,Ted, B&LE 91775 is from series 91501-91800, Class XM4, built by Greenville Steel Car Co. (O.O. 311). These were follow-on orders to 500 other cars built in 1940, series 91001-91500 (GSC O.O. 291). The 91501-91800 had Superior hand brakes, Apex running boards, Dreadnaught Ends, Murphy roof, and Creco doors (7-panel). They appear much like 1937 AAR box cars except that the door openings were 7'-3". By the way, don't say "7' doors" or else you'll have the wrath of Jeff Koeller upon you (remember Jeff's Naperville presentation?). The #36945 came from series 36801-37000 built by Pressed Steel Car Co. 12-42. There is a builder's photo in the National Archives of Canada Merrilees Collection (car #36976). The #19125 may have been renumbered from the original 36001-36500 series, built by GSC (O.O. 245) in 1937. The 36001-36500 series had irregularly spaced 16-panel sides but had drop ends. Interestingly, the 4/55 ORER does not list any 19xxx series for B&LE, nor does the 4/57 ORER. I don't have any 1956 ORERs that are handy to check. Hope this helps. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Re: SP USRA gon?
Nope.
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In the following photo, is that car one of the EP&SW USRA gons that
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Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color
Greg Martin
Hey Yuze Gize,
I ran the photo through Photo Shop and cleaned it up(actually let the computer do most of the work) and the it makes a world of difference. It is not clear to me why the difference on the color of the roof on the X29(and yes there is more than one) but I believe that is light reflection. Actually an interesting shot. IF you have a program like that you might consider a fix. Greg Martin
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Re: B&LE questions
--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@s...> wrote:
Interestingly, the 4/55 ORER does not list any 19xxx seriesMy 7/56 ORER does not list a 19000 series for the B&LE either. Jim Wolf
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Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color
The picture is of poor quality, but it shows a PRR X29First of all, I believe X29 roofs were galvanized. And also painted. Second of all, the color on the roof can also be seen on the pipe loads, and on several other box car roofs in the same photo. Looks like reflected light to me. Some re-roofed NYC 1920's box cars did receive unpainted galvanized roofs. I recall seeing a fine color photo of a NKP train rounding a curve in RMJ (?) that showed this. Tim "the BB" O.
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Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Tony Thompson wrote:
Ben, at least two and maybe three of those four cabooses are steel cars, probably C-40-3. Oh well - I was fishing for excuses to buy a couple to go with the SP power in the collection... Ben Hom
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SP USRA gon?
David Soderblom
Tony T:
In the following photo, is that car one of the EP&SW USRA gons that went to SP? http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics27/00033292.jpg Dave Soderblom Baltimore MD
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Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Norm Larkin wrote:
Not that familiar with the roof of the X29, but my first reaction was thatVery sharp eyes, Norm. I think you may be right about the rain. That flat roof sure is reflective. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Andy Miller wrote:
Isn't a "freshly painted X29" an oxymoron? ;-) Strange but true! My personal favorites are photos of freshly painted cars in SK schemes which show every ding and scratch in the car side. Ben Hom
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Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color
Norman+Laraine Larkin <lono@...>
Not that familiar with the roof of the X29, but my first reaction was that
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it looked very wet. Looking between the tracks, there is a long puddle, and it appears to be raining hard. That may partially explain the gray-day quality of the photo. Regards, Norm Larkin
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From: "Ted Culotta" <tculotta@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color
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Re: B&LE Questions
Shawn Beckert
Ted,
I think Standard Steel Car built some gons for the B&LE. Keith Retterer's catalog has a lot of B&LE stuff in it. I'll look tonight and see what's actually listed. Shawn Beckert
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Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Ben Hom sez:
BTW, I count at least three X29s in the photo - one coupled to a Rock Island Pratt truss SS boxcar three tracks over, and one more behindBen, at least two and maybe three of those four cabooses are steel cars, probably C-40-3. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Shawn Beckert reports:
While browsing the Los Angeles Public Library's onlineI'd bet it's the lighting. You see this often in overhead shots where flat surfaces catch the light. But I'd defer to the PRR experts out there. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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B&LE questions
Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
I have some B&LE photos that have prompted questions that I want to ask.
The first two photos are of gons. One is B&LE 36945, blt. 12/1942, photographed ca. 10/1951. It is a 46'0" IL gon with 16 panel steel sides, of irregular spacing and drop ends. The second is B&LE 19125, blt. 5/1937, photographed ca. 5/1956. It is a 46'7" IL gon with 16 panel steel sides, of irregular spacing with fixed ends. Does anyone know the builder(s) for these cars? The third photo is of B&LE 91775, blt. 4/1941, photographed ca. 3/1960. It looks to be a 1937 AAR box car with 7' doors. Anyone know the builders for these cars? Regards, Ted Culotta
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Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color
Andrew S. Miller <asmiller@...>
Isn't a "freshly painted X29" an oxymoron? ;-)
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regards, Andy Miller
-----Original Message-----
From: benjaminfrank_hom [mailto:b.hom@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:52 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color As I was trying (in vain) to clear out my e-mail backlog, Shawn Beckert wrote: The picture is of poor quality, but it shows a PRR X29 (or something equivalent) coupled to boxcar CB&Q 32195. Is it just the poor lighting, or is that a galvanized steel roof on the Pennsy car? First, it's an X29. Even with the poor quality of the photo, you can see it's a five digit car number, which automatically disqualfies it being a Class X28A boxcar. I seriously doubt that it's a galvanized roof - if it is, it's the only one I've ever seen (and I've been looking at a LOT of X29 photos lately as the deadline for next month's TKM gets closer.) I believe what we're looking at is a trick of light off the roof of a freshly repainted boxcar with a flat roof. Of course, if you want a conversation starter, you can always do a model with a galvanized roof... Ben Hom Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12c3dgqtk/M=267637.4521690.5694157.1261774/D=egroup web/S=1705169725:HM/EXP=1076611917/A=1945638/R=0/*http://www.netflix.com/Def ault?mqso=60178383&partid=4521690> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=267637.4521690.5694157.1261774/D=egroupweb /S=:HM/A=1945638/rand=731864021> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@... <mailto:STMFC-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
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Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
BTW, I count at least three X29s in the photo - one coupled to a Rock
Island Pratt truss SS boxcar three tracks over, and one more behind that cut of pile flats. And check out the subtle hint in the background for the HO scale SP modeler to buy a bunch of Walthers Class C-30-1 cabooses! Ben Hom
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Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
As I was trying (in vain) to clear out my e-mail backlog, Shawn
Beckert wrote: The picture is of poor quality, but it shows a PRR X29 (or something equivalent) coupled to boxcar CB&Q 32195. Is it just the poor lighting, or is that a galvanized steel roof on the Pennsy car? First, it's an X29. Even with the poor quality of the photo, you can see it's a five digit car number, which automatically disqualfies it being a Class X28A boxcar. I seriously doubt that it's a galvanized roof - if it is, it's the only one I've ever seen (and I've been looking at a LOT of X29 photos lately as the deadline for next month's TKM gets closer.) I believe what we're looking at is a trick of light off the roof of a freshly repainted boxcar with a flat roof. Of course, if you want a conversation starter, you can always do a model with a galvanized roof... Ben Hom
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