On Feb 10, 9:47am, Beckert, Shawn wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Re: Freight car lists
I have to side with Tim on this one. I left the FCL some
years back because of the inordinate amount of arguments,
hostility and general nastiness that seemed to occur there.

I still subscribe to FCL, and I haven't observed any problems in the past
couple of years.

Then again, I delete many of the messages without reading them, as they're
out of my era.

Regards,

-Jeff

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On Feb 10, 7:51pm, wmcclark1980 wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] New line of SCALE SIZE HO track components
List-

A while back someone here was complaining that Micro Engineering had
stopped producing their "Micro Spikes." Well, over in the Proto87
group Andy Reichart has just made available a whole group of scale
size track pieces. You can see them for yourselves at:

http://www.proto87stores.com/p87stores/ultim1.htm

All I can say is "wow!"

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California

Walter,

"Wow!" is right, but the list is wrong. I think you want the
Prototype Layout Group (PROLG), not the Steam-Era Freight Cars List
(STMFC).

Now, if that fellow started etching detail parts for freight
cars...

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Deputy Moderator, STMFC

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Jeff Aley jaley@...
DPG Chipsets Product Engineering
Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA
(916) 356-3533

List-

A while back someone here was complaining that Micro Engineering had
stopped producing their "Micro Spikes." Well, over in the Proto87
group Andy Reichart has just made available a whole group of scale
size track pieces. You can see them for yourselves at:

http://www.proto87stores.com/p87stores/ultim1.htm

All I can say is "wow!"

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California

Shawn Beckert said:

I have to side with Tim on this one. I left the FCL some
years back because of the inordinate amount of arguments,
hostility and general nastiness that seemed to occur there.
In my personal opinion Richard waited far too long before
he stepped in to quell a lot of these dogfights.

And a number of us left that list when Hosker sided with Jim Six against quite a few, in my mind justified, objectors to Six's style and tendency to accuse others. A moderator not only has to stop little fires from turning into big ones, but also has to be perceived as fair and reasonable. In my opinion, Hosker failed both tests.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

I have to side with Tim on this one. I left the FCL some
years back because of the inordinate amount of arguments,
hostility and general nastiness that seemed to occur there.
In my personal opinion Richard waited far too long before
he stepped in to quell a lot of these dogfights.

And the MFC list really does tend to concentrate on freight
equipment post-1970, frequently post-1980 for that matter.

What makes me stay here is that a lot of steam era equipment
was in operation well into the 1970's, in some cases even
later than that. So while I may have been a toddler when
steam made its last stand here in California, much of what
gets discussed here is still of interest to me.

I would support a 1960's list for the reason that, while it's
not a perfect solution, it may be the only way we can have a
concentration of dialogue on the era that a lot of us grew up
in. Heck, I'm on three or four lists now, one more won't hurt.

Shawn Beckert

Agreed; AOL¹s problems are way more involved than than just this.
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Brian Ehni


From: ljack70117@...
Reply-To: STMFC@...
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:05:11 -0500
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Freight car lists

I have my computer set not to receive HTML. AOL is loosing a lot of
users because of the garbage they force you to do.
Thank you
Larry Jackman


On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, at 10:56 AM, asychis@... wrote:

In a message dated 2/10/2004 9:50:33 AM Central Standard Time,
CBarkan@... writes:
I would suggest that rather than start another list, 60's era modelers
just
start using the FCL. It is perfectly within their charter to discuss
that
era,
and there is not a lot of traffic there now. I suspect that there
would be
some synergies with the those already posting there. Personally as one
interested in all eras, I would be happy to see the additional
discussion
there
without having to join another list.
I strongly disagree. The FCL uses antiquated software and does not
permit
AOL users to send messages. The owner refuses to update so that his
software
will strip HTML, and therefore most if not all AOL users are not
allowed to
post. There are fixes, but the fixes become a hobby in and of
themselves.

Jerry Michels






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I have my computer set not to receive HTML. AOL is loosing a lot of users because of the garbage they force you to do.
Thank you
Larry Jackman

--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@s...> wrote:
Woody,

The earliest new L&N car I've seen in blue was built August 1957.

These > were 50' PS-1s in series 97100-97199 (9' door opening). The
reason L&N > started using blue was to distinguish their DF Loader
equipped box cars > from the rest. By 1959 there were quite a few
blue box cars around > including some repainted 40' box cars. The
97100-97199 series had "The > Old reliable" slogan, but subsequent
cars typically received the "Dixie > Line" slogan after L&N's
acquisition of the NC&StL.

Regards,> Ed Hawkins

Ed:
Somebody from the L&N buffs , convinced Dan Kilgore to mold some
blue 70 ton trucks for some L&N grain cars built with blue painted
trucks. He had them for a long time passing, I ken, as the world was
not exactly beating a path to Florida for them.
Good-Luck, Peter Boylan

Why would anyone here be interested in Thai railroading? 8^)
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From: ljack70117@...
Reply-To: STMFC@...
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:17:50 -0500
To: STMFC@...
Cc: ELDEN.GATWOOD@..., timboconnor@..., jeager@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Freight car lists

Try MFCL-subscribe@... Thai is the modern
car list.
Thank you
Larry Jackman

I seem to remember painting one for a customer years ago. Not sure
who made it (Custom Brass or Oriental maybe?) or how good it was.

Jerry


--- In STMFC@..., "Earl Myers" <emyers5@n...> wrote:

Gents;
Some time ago there was a firm that was to make a limited run of

the X30 boxcar (X30?)....the one singular car used to transport
American LaFrance Firetrucks..........anybody know the progress of
that boxcar???

Earl Myers

Actually the FCL and MFCL are dominated by post 1970 modeling interests.
Unfortunately the 60's are in a kind of limbo era... I guess I would call
this ignored era the "mechanical reefer" era -- It starts about 1954 and
ends about 20 years later. (No mech reefers were built for 20 years or
so beginning in the 1970's.) Dan Holbrook's layout epitomizes modeling
at the end of this era.

Try MFCL-subscribe@... Thai is the modern car list.
Thank you
Larry Jackman

In a message dated 2/10/2004 9:50:33 AM Central Standard Time,
CBarkan@... writes:
I would suggest that rather than start another list, 60's era modelers just
start using the FCL. It is perfectly within their charter to discuss that
era,
and there is not a lot of traffic there now. I suspect that there would be
some synergies with the those already posting there. Personally as one
interested in all eras, I would be happy to see the additional discussion
there
without having to join another list.
I strongly disagree. The FCL uses antiquated software and does not permit
AOL users to send messages. The owner refuses to update so that his software
will strip HTML, and therefore most if not all AOL users are not allowed to
post. There are fixes, but the fixes become a hobby in and of themselves.

Jerry Michels

I would suggest that rather than start another list, 60's era modelers just
start using the FCL. It is perfectly within their charter to discuss that era,
and there is not a lot of traffic there now. I suspect that there would be
some synergies with the those already posting there. Personally as one
interested in all eras, I would be happy to see the additional discussion there
without having to join another list.

Chris

P.S. I assume Mike will tolerate this brief, limited, off-topic chatter to
encourage people with post 1960s interests to participate in the FCL.

In a message dated 2/10/2004 8:51:49 AM Central Standard Time,
timboconnor@... writes:
Unfortunately the 60's are in a kind of limbo era
Certainly if someone wanted to create and moderate a 60's freight car list it
could be done on yahoo. Seems everything else is on yahoo!

Jerry Michels

On Monday, February 9, 2004, at 11:01 AM, woodyp48 wrote:

anybody know what year the L&N started to paint and repaint their
cars blue ?

thanks,
woody grosdoff

Woody,
The earliest new L&N car I've seen in blue was built August 1957. These were 50' PS-1s in series 97100-97199 (9' door opening). The reason L&N started using blue was to distinguish their DF Loader equipped box cars from the rest. By 1959 there were quite a few blue box cars around including some repainted 40' box cars. The 97100-97199 series had "The Old reliable" slogan, but subsequent cars typically received the "Dixie Line" slogan after L&N's acquisition of the NC&StL.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

In a message dated 2/9/04 1:54:14 PM, ELDEN.GATWOOD@... writes:

<< But, I do wish there was something for us 60's modelers, too. I have SO
many cars
that I would like to discuss.

Elden Gatwood >>

There is, the STMFC was kind of a spin-off from the original freight cars
list (that I think Tim O' started in the mid-late '90s) and continues under Rich
Hosker at e-mail <richard@...> The Freight Car List
covers all eras, but most of the interest seems to be in post 1960 cars. I recall
at some point Jim Eager also created a Modern Freight Cars list but I don't
subscribe or even know if it is still active. Tim or Jim would know of course.

Chris Barkan

Woody, they started at least as early as 1959 --
see the image of the Kadee PS-1 below.

http://www.kadee.com/ca/50ps1/6010l.htm

All:

Can anyone identify the following MILW boxcar by design/appearance for
modelling purposes?

Info is from August of 1970, provided to me by a friend:

Item 1) August 10 - M.V.Viking eastbound - MILW 50662 - carload HIDES -
from
Geo. A. Hormell Co., Austin Minn - to - Eberle Tanning Co., Westfield, Pa -
routing: MILW - GBW - AA - DTI - PC - WAG

Oct 1970 ORER shows 50' box, 10'9" IH with a 6' door in the 50000 series
(137 cars total).

I am assuming it is an older (steam era car) by this duty and ORER info.
Accept my apology if it is a "modern era" car, or at least give me time to
don my "flame suit".

Garrett Rea
Nashville, TN

These cars were 50' versions of the MILW trademark all-welded horizontal
rib boxcars - built in 1941, they were essentially the same as the more
common 40' cars but with an extra 10' in length.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

All:

Can anyone identify the following MILW boxcar by design/appearance for
modelling purposes?

Info is from August of 1970, provided to me by a friend:

Item 1) August 10 - M.V.Viking eastbound - MILW 50662 - carload HIDES -
from
Geo. A. Hormell Co., Austin Minn - to - Eberle Tanning Co., Westfield, Pa -
routing: MILW - GBW - AA - DTI - PC - WAG

Oct 1970 ORER shows 50' box, 10'9" IH with a 6' door in the 50000 series
(137 cars total).

I am assuming it is an older (steam era car) by this duty and ORER info.
Accept my apology if it is a "modern era" car, or at least give me time to
don my "flame suit".

Garrett Rea
Nashville, TN