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Re: Sanborn Map Access

Jeff English
 

"mksparks2" <mksparks2@...> wrote:

An outfit by the name of Environmental Data Resources
http://www.edrnet.com/reports/historical.html
acquired the Sanborn Map Co. in 1996.
This is very interesting, and I am not in any way trying to refute
your statement, but I was at a transportation conference where
Sanborn had a display booth and in my conversations with the rep
nothing was mentioned about them being a subsidiary of
somebody else. Moreover, the printed literature I picked up says
nothing about it either. They do provide the following information:

Founded in 1866

Offices in Charlotte, NC; Colorado Springs, CO; Columbus, OH;
Pelham, NY; Rochester, NY; San Antonio, TX; St Louis, MO;
Bogota, Colombia; Mumbai, India

www.sanborn.com

Hope this helps.

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Re: New Kadee #78 "Scale Coupler"

Ted Culotta <ted_culotta@...>
 

Andy:

I LOVE the look of the Accumate draft gear. However,
I prefer the look of the Kadee coupler and metal makes
me feel much better. Until now, I have been using the
Accumates except in instances where there is an
integral coupler pocket (although lately, I've even
been scraping those off on some models and replacing
with the Accumates).

Ted

--- Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Ted, the Accumate brand of "Proto:HO Accumate scale
size couplers are
$12.95/ 12 Pairs (that is 24 couplers). Many
prototype modelers have
voiced preferences for the better appearance of the
accumates, and their
draft gear box is very nicely detailed (even Byron
Rose likes it). The
whole draft gear/ coupler assembly fits inside Kadee
# 5 style boxes,
which answers the question of "how do I mount it to
a molded on coupler
box?". I bought 144 pairs with draft gear boxes for
under $100.00. I
don't see a need for the Kadee.
Regards,
Andy Carlson

On Wednesday, June 19, 2002, at 09:38 AM, Ted
Culotta wrote:

--- HAWK0621@... wrote:
Kadee says that the #78s will come in packages of
4
assembled couplers. A
package of 4 will retail at $5.25.
I am excited to see them, but $5.25 for four...
ouch!

Ted

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Re: New Kadee #78 "Scale Coupler"

Andy Carlson
 

Ted, the Accumate brand of "Proto:HO Accumate scale size couplers are $12.95/ 12 Pairs (that is 24 couplers). Many prototype modelers have voiced preferences for the better appearance of the accumates, and their draft gear box is very nicely detailed (even Byron Rose likes it). The whole draft gear/ coupler assembly fits inside Kadee # 5 style boxes, which answers the question of "how do I mount it to a molded on coupler box?". I bought 144 pairs with draft gear boxes for under $100.00. I don't see a need for the Kadee.
Regards,
Andy Carlson

On Wednesday, June 19, 2002, at 09:38 AM, Ted Culotta wrote:

--- HAWK0621@... wrote:
Kadee says that the #78s will come in packages of 4
assembled couplers. A
package of 4 will retail at $5.25.
I am excited to see them, but $5.25 for four... ouch!

Ted


Re: GS Gondolas

thompson@...
 

UP never did change the class on their older cars, still listing as 'GA'
in 1950 cars that were built as GS gons (though newer cars were listed as
'GS'). And that brings us around full-circle back to that 1899 OSL order
and the question of what type of doors it had.
They had transverse doors, thus both then and later were GA. And I think
it was 1900, not 1899. UP did buy a bunch of all-steel hoppers in 1899.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


Re: New Kadee #78 "Scale Coupler"

Ted Culotta <ted_culotta@...>
 

--- HAWK0621@... wrote:
Kadee says that the #78s will come in packages of 4
assembled couplers. A
package of 4 will retail at $5.25. Perhaps they will
consider offering a bulk
pack if sales and positive requests from modelers so
justify.
I am excited to see them, but $5.25 for four... ouch!

Ted

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Re: Sanborn Map Access

palmettoltd82
 

Fellow Listers,

A comment regarding Environmental Data Resources (EDR)
and Sanborn Maps. My company recently ordered a set of Sanborn maps
from EDR which cost us approximately $100. The final price will
depend on the search radius you choose. i.e. maps for a property
located at the corner of X and Y Streets will obviously cost much
less than selecting multiple maps for all the properties bordering a
given railroad right-of-way. The more you can narrow your search
area, the more money you'll save.

Downside - You do not have the option previewing the maps you order
to verify that they even contain the information you are seeking.

Upside - The quality of the digital and hard copy maps is quite good,
especially compared to the well worn and scratched copies located in
libraries.

A WARNING to anyone planning to use Sanborn Maps in books and
articles - our EDR rep stated that EDR is agressively pursuing any
and all parties that reproduce or use Sanborn Maps in any form
without proper authorization from that company.

Assuming one can visit their area of interest, aerial photos dating
from the 1930s to the present can usually be obtained from the local
USDA Soil Conservation Office as well as the local city/county
planning and mapping office. If you model a location far from where
you live, then the EDR Sanborn Map/Aerial Photo option may be the
most cost effective means of getting the info you are seeking. I had
the addresses for sources of 1954 and 1957 aerial photos (national
coverage). I'll try to locate the addresses for anyone interested.

Mike, sorry if I've strayed too far. Hope the above helps.

Buddy


Re: GS Gondolas

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

Since we started discussing very early cars of this type, I would expect
all the early ones to have begun as GA cars. When a particular owner may
have changed that description to GS was likely variable.
UP never did change the class on their older cars, still listing as 'GA'
in 1950 cars that were built as GS gons (though newer cars were listed as
'GS'). And that brings us around full-circle back to that 1899 OSL order
and the question of what type of doors it had.

David Thompson


ATSF Rr-43 photo?

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Dear friends,

Does anyone here have a photo of a SFRD Rr-43 they scan up and share, either directly to me, or through
Ted's web site? I am building one of the C&BT Shops kits, and the instructions and (so-called) detail
parts are only generic.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


Re: HO "PFE" R-30-18 PFE reefers shipped

Bruce F. Smith <smithbf@...>
 

Paul,

Champ makes a "Blue Ribbon" set of PFE reefer decals that should do these
cars. The set is good for two cars, but if you want the 1942 scheme, you
need to order color UP shields seperately. I don't know if specifics like
the class lettering and the appropriate data are in there, but most classes
are and data from several types of cars is...a little cutting and you're
all set! Sunshine has some PFE decals as well (IIRC).

Happy Rails
Bruce

Andy - being a southeastern modeler, can you help me out with one thing -
what would be appropriate decals for the early '50's timeframe for these
cars?

Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Carlson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:25 PM
Subject: [STMFC] HO "PFE" R-30-18 PFE reefers shipped



To those who have ordered your Terry Wegmann R-30-18 reefers from me,
please note that I have shipped the first 15 packages to the first 15
payments I have received. Shipped first class USPS rate, expect to see
them in 3 - 4 days. I have encapsulated the 2 roof mount corner grab
irons with some shipping tape, so don't toss out some strange piece of
tape.



Thanks, guys;
Andy Carlson


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Re: CN 8 Hatch Reefer

Stafford Swain <sswain@...>
 

Hi Bill (and others):

We are now blessed with an extremely rich freight car information base and it just keeps getting better particularly if you work at "librarying" same. I would agree that resin manufacturers would be wise to ensure that their instructions contain the basic references to the "good stuff".

In F&Cs defence on this one, the CNR overhead ice bunker reefer kits (they have several variations) were issued before these articles were published.

Thanks Stafford. The info you provided below should have been included with
the kit which is the not so subtle message I am trying to make. Frankly, I
have been spoiled over the the years by the wealth of proto info provided in
Westerfield and, especially, Sunshine kits. I have saved all of my Sunshine
data and instruction sheets and put them in a binder creating an outstanding
freight car reference book that can't be purchased anywhere.

Bill
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To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CN 8 Hatch Reefer


Hi Bill (and interested others):

Given your lack of info concerns, you probably should have also
referred to the overhead ice bunker refrigerator series on these cars
in RMC (Dec/95, Jan/96 & Feb/96) as there are lots of photos and even
drawings of same.

Further photo coverage is also found in CN LINES Vol. 7 No. 4 (back
issue copies are available from the CN Lines SIG - see "cnlines.com")
which the NMRA also libraries.

As well, the correct color of the freight versions of the cars is CNR
Grey No. 11 which is available in a choice of original Scalecoat
(available through the CN Lines SIG paint line) or Modelflex media.
The correct paint (CNR Green No. 11) is available for the express
reefer versions from these same sources.

The CNR decals supplied with the kit are OK but my preference would
be CDS dry transfer set No. 32 for these cars (made into decals
wherever required).

Finally, the kit's original version of the underslung charcoal heater
can be improved upon. I supplied F&C with a pattern for same (the
original was done by a New Haven modeler, Ralph Harris) a number of
> years ago but I don't know whether it was actually used in later
> production by F&C.


>I recently finished assembling an F&C CN 8 hatch reefer with hinged doors
>and dreadnaught ends (kit 5130). This kits builds into a really nifty
model
>and was a bargin at that. This kit was packaged in a clear plastic bag
>instead of the usual box. I picked it up in StLouis at last year's train
>show where it was selling at the F&C booth for half the price of the
usual
>resin kit.
>
>The instructions give a very brief background on the cars but no basic
>roster details such as number series or how many cars were in each
series.
>The instructions provide serveral nice drawings and two large prototype
> >photos. The package also comes with a large color photo of a completed
> >model. The decals are nice and include both green and red maple leaf
>heralds. However, there in no information as to what era the different
>heralds are appropriate for and I can only assume that the number series
on
>the decal are appropriate because of the lack of supporting information.
>Beyond that, the instructions were complete and easy to follow.
>
>The kit is a typical flat resin kit with separate cast ends, sides and
one
>piece roof. The castings were clean and sharp with little flash and made
of
>the
>usual (for F&C) white resin. The cast detail was also very sharp. The
>sides, ends
>and roof assembled nicely with no difficulties
>
>The underframe is a one piece casting with centersill, crossmembers and
>bolsters cast in place. Rivet plates have to be added to the tops of the
>crossmembers but those are the only parts required to complete the
>underframe. The underframe in my kit was over 3/32" too short and this
was
>discovered once the body was assembled. It was not a situation that the
>sides and roof were too long as the crossmembers and bolsters did not
line
>up the tabs on the side sills as they should have. I was tempted to just
>add spacers to the
>ends of the underframe but this wouldn't have solved the line up problem.
I
>therefore cut the underframe in half and added a styrene spacer in the
>middle to
>make everything line up correctly.
>
>The kit included all of the necessary details. There is a Tichy AB brake
>sprue and cast styrene ladders with the Canadian style end steps.
Besides
>having all those neat hatches on the roof the prototype cars had charcoal
>heaters mounted
>under the car. A nice resin casting of the heater is supplied. However,
>the drawings do not show enough details to be sure of the mounting
>orientation and the mounting bracket attachment. Fortunately, I had just
>received my RPC #7 which had clear detail photos of charcoal heaters and
>their mounting. I subsituted DA .010 x .030 flat brass for the heater
>brackets and roofwalk supports instead of the supplied styrene strip. I
>also substituted A-Line steps for the
>plastic ones in the kit and DA bracket grabs for the left side grabs
instead
>of the cast brackets to which the modeler is supposed to add a piece of
>wire. The kit includes the usual green wire for which I substituted .010
>and .015 brass wire. Some of the details were cast incomplete on the
resin
>"sprue", such as some of the tack boards and some of the hatch latches,
so I
>had to dig up
>extras from my resin parts box. Finally, the mounting of the hatch stops
is
>a little vague as they don't show up at all in the drawings and barely in
>one
>of the
>photos. Again, my new RPC #7 came to the rescue.
>
>This kit built up into a very pleasing model.
>
>Regards,
>Bill
>
>
>
>
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Re: New Kadee #78 "Scale Coupler"

HAWK0621@...
 

In a message dated 6/19/02 5:37:02 AM, ggg9y@... writes:

While at Chesterfield Hobbies in Richmond about two weeks ago, I noticed
they had a new pile of Kadee PS-1 boxcars. About half the stock came
packaged >with a different colored end label. Upon closer examination, I saw
that these boxes >were marked as having "scale couplers". Could these be your
#78?
Garth,
The newest releases of Kadee PS-1s with red lettering on the ends of the
boxes (produced only during the past few months) come with couplers that are
identical to the the #78 "scale coupler." The only difference is the coupler
box/coupler box assembly.

The PS-1 coupler box looks similar but is part of a larger assembly that also
includes the sill steps. This item also available as a "retrofit" scale
coupler (#2100). I originally thought the shanks of these two couplers were
somehow different, but that is not the case. The entire #2100 assembly clips
into the PS-1 metal floor. Models with black lettering on the ends of the box
are the "original" couplers, which have the same shank as the #78 but have
the "head" of a #5 coupler.

The #78 comes assembled in a simple two-piece coupler box with two mounting
holes. Kadee is updating their web site today and a drawing of the new #78 is
shown at: http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/page1.htm. The nice thing about these
are the scale width and no side lugs like the #5 coupler boxes have.
Ed Hawkins


Re: New Kadee #78 "Scale Coupler"

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Ed and friends,

While at Chesterfield Hobbies in Richmond about two weeks ago, I noticed they had a new pile of Kadee
PS-1 boxcars. About half the stock came packaged with a different colored end label. Upon closer
examination, I saw that these boxes were marked as having "scale couplers". Could these be your #78?

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

HAWK0621@... wrote:


List subscribers,

Sam Clarke of Kadee has permitted me to make a preliminary announcement about
a soon to be released new "scale" coupler. It will be called the Kadee #78....


Re: GS Gondolas

thompson@...
 

David Thompson writes:
I looked over the definitions in the 1925 CBC, and the major difference
between the GS and GD descriptions was that the GD could carry its
capacity in bituminous coal, while the GS had no such qualification.
The GS is described as "dumping to the side of the track", and the GD as
"having side dump arrangement" and says nothing about where the doors
have to be. My suspicion is that the cars were built before the 'GS'
class was promulgated and that 'GD' was the closest descriptor available.
This is not what it says in the 1918 Cyc (I don't have a 1925). In 1918,
there is no mention of GD in regard to coal cargoes, only that the car have
"side dumping arrangements." The GS car does mention "dumping to the side
of the track," but clearly states that the dump doors are hung at the
inside edge. I would not regard this as interpretable as the same as GD.
In a 1912 ORER issue which I have, the GD definition is identical to that
in the 1918 Cyc. At that time, there was no GS class; instead, GA was the
main drop-bottom car, with the GC (coke) gondolas also having drop bottoms
but with coke racks. Door arrangements for GA were not specified; certainly
all early Harriman System gondolas with drop doors (in, say, 1910) were
classified as GA, though some had transverse and some longitudinal doors.
In 1912, the GA was defined as "suitable for general coal or ore trade,
for stone, or for general trade." Since we started discussing very early
cars of this type, I would expect all the early ones to have begun as GA
cars. When a particular owner may have changed that description to GS was
likely variable.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


Re: New Kadee #78 "Scale Coupler"

ian clasper <ian@...>
 

Kadee's web site now shows this coupler.

check out:
www.kadee.com
and for details:
http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/page350.htm

Ian Clasper

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To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:26 PM
Subject: [STMFC] New Kadee #78 "Scale Coupler"


List subscribers,

Sam Clarke of Kadee has permitted me to make a preliminary announcement
about
a soon to be released new "scale" coupler. It will be called the Kadee
#78.
Appearancewise, the visible portion of the #78 looks the same as the #58.
The
big difference is the shank and coupler box.

The #58 has the shank of a #5 coupler that fits into the "regular" (wider)
Kadee coupler boxes using the brass centering spring that's been around
for
decades. The #58 is also a drop-in for many commercially available kits
that
come with the wider coupler boxes. The #78 has a different type of shank
and
comes with a new scale-width draft gear box made of two pieces of black
performance plastic that snap together. The box looks very much like the
box
on their PS-1 box cars, except that it lacks the integral "wings" that
also
contain the side sill steps. Centering is maintained by the use of a Kadee
spring (like those used on the sides of the #5s that we're probably all
too
familiar with) that is retained inside the coupler box.

There is a small hole through the center of the box for mounting with an
0-48
or 0-80 screw. This hole can be enlarged by drilling out with a #48 drill
if
a 1-72 screw is desired. Kadee says that skilled modelers (like those on
this
list!) can carefully drill a larger hole to accept a 2-56 screw, but
extreme
care is required. Another small lug is attached to the back edge of the
box
to accept a second screw if deemed necessary for better retention. This
additional screw would secure the box better and keep it from swiveling.

Kadee says that the #78s will come in packages of 4 assembled couplers. A
package of 4 will retail at $5.25. Perhaps they will consider offering a
bulk
pack if sales and positive requests from modelers so justify.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


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Re: Sanborn Map Access

Michael Sparks
 

--- In STMFC@y..., "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@d...> wrote:
Fellow Listers,

Has anyone figured out a way to gain access to the
on-line Sanborn Fire Insurance Map database for any
state other than the one they live in?

It's been my experience - so far - that the various
institutions in California that have these maps on
the internet have them only for California, and no
other state. This is fine if you're just doing some
research on California railroads. If you're into a
railroad like the SP/SSW system that covered another
dozen states, you're out of luck.

For example: Most, if not all, the big public libraries
in Texas have the Sanborn maps for that state available
on the internet, but you can only gain access if you
have a library card with one of them. The big catch: you
have to be a resident of Texas to get a Texas Public
Library card. This is most unfortunate for me, since a
lot of SP/SSW trackage was in Texas!

Has anyone here found a way to get around this problem?
I'm not enough of a computer guru to hack my way into
these library databases. You guys have any ideas?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert

Shawn,

You might want to check out this link:
http://www.cyndislist.com/maps.htm#Fire
It is a listing of resources/sites that have digital Sanborn Fire
Insurance maps.

An outfit by the name of Environmental Data Resources
http://www.edrnet.com/reports/historical.html
acquired the Sanborn Map Co. in 1996. I highly recommend checking
them out as they offer digital format aerial photos in addition to
the Sanborn maps. I haven't used them though so I can't vouch for
their cost, quality or completeness but at first glance they appear
to be a virtual treasure trove of material for those of us interested
in industrial archeology.

Good hunting!


IC 10000 Series Boxcar

Bill Darnaby
 

I recently assembled a model of an IC 10000 series 40' single sheathed
rebuilt boxcar offered by F&C (kit 6270). This kit was one of the kits in a
plastic bag that I purchased at last year's national train show in StLouis.
I don't know if such kits were special only for this show but they were
offered at half the price of a normal resin kit.

The single instruction sheet contained no prototype information of any kind
so there was no indication as to why these are referred to as rebuilt
boxcars. The car is still single sheathed and the only indication that any
rebuilding was done is a steel patch on the door. There was no information
on the number series, how many cars there were or how long they lasted.
There are no prototype photos, although a color photo of a completed model
is provided, and there is a drawing, more of a sketch really, of the car in
the instructions. A sketch is also provided for locating the AB brake
system. The decals provided were on the light side with the smaller
lettering difficult to read.

The kit is a typical flat resin kit made from the usual (for F&C) white
resin. Cast detail on the sides and ends is very sharp and nicely done.
The wood grain on the sheathing is particularly nice. However, there are no
cast rivets for locating the wire grabs. The doors and upper tracks are
cast in place on the sides. The roof is a one piece casting and is designed
to fit between the ends instead overlapping the ends as on most resin kits.
The body assembled quickly and easily.

The underframe is a one piece casting, fishbelly centersill, bolsters and
all. The centersill is solid and mounting pads are provided for the
cylinder, reservoir and valve. A Tichy AB brake sprue is provided. Because
of the solid centersill I chose to simulate the levers poking through slots
in the centersill by cutting them in half and attaching the pieces to each
side of the sill.

Most details are provided such as the grabs and ladders. Curiously, molded
styrene 7 rung ladders are provided while the drawing in the instructions
show 6 rung ladders. Cutting the 7 rungs to 6 would make them too short and
not having prototype photos I went with the 7 rung configuration. The
instructions say to make the sill steps out of the wire provided but
recommend DA 6416 or 6417 as alternates. I chose to substitute A-Line
steps. I also substituted .010 and .015 brass wire for the green wire
provided. The lower door track is a separate resin part but the modeler is
left to figure out the orientation. Nor was there any information provided
on the retaining valve and piping. I found the lateral roofwalks that were
provided to be marginal in quality so I replaced them with ones out of my
resin parts box. I had to provide my own DA eye bolts to make the cut
levers.

Aside from some of the guesswork required, the model built up into a very
nice looking car.

Regards,
Bill


Re: GS Gondolas

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

But the AAR classifications are really quite clear, and don't seem to
contain scope to "redefine" a car with bottom doors as being "side
dumping."
I looked over the definitions in the 1925 CBC, and the major difference
between the GS and GD descriptions was that the GD could carry its
capacity in bituminous coal, while the GS had no such qualification.
The GS is described as "dumping to the side of the track", and the GD as
"having side dump arrangement" and says nothing about where the doors
have to be. My suspicion is that the cars were built before the 'GS'
class was promulgated and that 'GD' was the closest descriptor available.

Are you sure all those GD cars did NOT have side doors?
Yep. There is a photo of the original Ralston demonstrator in the 1906
CBD, which also has drawings for the production cars. Ralston built an
all-steel version for K&M in the Teens, and a photo and drawings of that
are in the 1919 CBC. They're GS gons by any other name.

The GE class, being crosswise dumping, seems unlikely to be confused
with GS.
You'd think so, but that's what the ORER says. They were a 36-ft version
of the UCR GS gons of 1917 (I think they were actually a year-later copy
of a Rio Grande order in 1912). Interstate classed them GKA after the
rebuild instead of the more logical GB.

David Thompson


Re: Mixing Tank Cars

tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Shawn,

You wrote:
Union Tank Car was created by John D. Rockefeller
for the express purpose of hauling oil and oil by-products
for his Standard Oil Company. As a rule, Standard's bulk
dealers and refineries were supplied by UTLX cars to keep
a measure of control over the sale and distribution of the
product. If you can, get a copy of "John D. Rockefeller's
Secret Weapon", which tells the story of the formation of
Union Tank Car Lines.

As far as mixing tank cars to fit different time periods,
that's kind of a gray subject. In World War Two, you could
see any companies tank cars anywhere, due to the taking over
of the oil distribution business by the government. Tank car
guru Richard Hendrickson can give a better dissertation on
this than I can. Before and after the war years, most oil
companies had enough of their own cars on hand to satisfy
their refinery needs and those of their customers.
Most oil companies relied upon Private Leasing Companies to supply
whatever tank cars they needed. Besides UTLX supplying most of the needs
of the companies spun off by the break up of the Standard Oil Trust
(Jersey Standard, India Std., SOCoNY Mobil, Chevron, etc.), GATX
supplied cars for Texaco, Phillips, etc.. Sinclair was the largest oil
company still retaining its own fleet after WW II.

Some of these cars were leased long term, but often they would be leased
for a short term (say, a month) and others by trip. For these latter
shorter term leases, the lessors did not supply specific tank cars.
Instead, they guaranteed that on day 1, x number of tank cars would be
available for loading. Except for the final destination of the car, all
routing was controlled by the leasing companies. Thus, one tank car
could carry loads of many oil companies over the course of a year -
hence, many of the leased tank cars did not have oil company billboards.

In terms of revenue flow, the shipping oil companies paid the RR's for
transportation of the commodity. The shippers were also charged a per
diem fee to the lessors. The lessors earned mileage payments from the
RR's for each mile the car was hauled whether loaded or empty. (Empty
Car Mileage payments was paid only to the amount of Loaded Mileage per
railroad - e.g. if there were 100 miles loaded and 150 miles empty on
ABCRR, ABCRR would only pay on the basis of 200 miles - 100 loaded and
100 empty.) Whatever mileage the lessor earned reduced the amount of per
diem which the shipper payed the lessor up to the amount of the per
diem. If income generated by mileage was in excess of the per diem, the
railroad only got a refund for its per diem.

Hope this helps, Tim Gilbert


CP Minibox

Bill Darnaby
 

I recently finished assembling a CP 1930 "mini-box" steel boxcar kit by F&C
(kit 6660, with AB brakes). The prototype is the first steel boxcar on the
CP and is considered a forunner to the 1932 AAR steel boxcar. These cars
are a signature car of sorts for the CP as there were 7500 of them, they
were long lived and had unusual 5' door openings.

The instructions give a nice history of the cars although there was no
indication of the complete number series given. This kit has an option for
an end lumber door but no indication is given as to which series of cars had
this feature. The instructions provide scale drawings of the car, drawing
insets for application of the Tichy brake parts, two prototype photos and
three photos of a completed model. The kit contains nice "Spans the World"
decals that include reweigh dates good for the 30's, 40's and 50's.

The kit is a flat kit and is made of the usual (for F&C) white resin. The
detail on the sides, ends and roof is sharp and nicely done and the doors
and door tracks are cast in place. One of the first things I do with a
resin kit is clean the flash from the sides and ends and glue the sides
together back to back with a drop of CA at the bolster tabs. This insures
that the sides are of identical length after the ends of the sides are
squared off and the side lengths are adjusted to fit the roof length. While
doing this I quickly noticed that the sides did not match up well,
paticularly at the bolster tabs. Some compromise had to be made between
lining up the tabs or the doors but I could not do both. Also, when the
ends of the sides were trimmed to match the roof length I found that I had
to remove enough material that some detail was lost from sides such as the
verical rivets and most of the ladder mounting gussets at the ends of the
sides. The roof is a one piece casting that has a plug that is intended to
fit down into the body formed by the sides and ends. I found that the plug
did not fit well and a lot material had to be removed from the edges of the
plug before the roof would fit down into the body. The easiest way to do
this is by dragging a razor blade along the edge of the plug under the roof
overhang.

The underframe is a one piece casting that includes bolster rivet plates and
crossmember rivet plates. The bolsters and crossmembers have slight
undercuts to give the illusion that they are built up of riveted plates but
they are otherwise cast of solid resin material. The only frame details the
modeler has to add are the flanges to the 8 small crossmembers which are
created out of 1 x 3 styrene strip. I found the frame to be cast too wide
to fit in the body and a lot of material had to be removed from the edges of
the underframe to the point that the rivets cast along the edge of the
underframe were nearly lost. The AB brake details are from the Tichy sprue.
Several specialized mounting brackets for the brake components are cast out
of the resin. However, mounting instructions for them are vague and the
modeler is left to puzzle it out from the photos and drawing.

Besides the brake components all details are provided and include wire
grabs, injection molded Canadian style ladders, plastic sill steps and the
usual green wire. I chose to substitute A-Line steps and .010 and .015
brass wire.

This kit built into a very nice model that will easily stand out in a string
of cars due to its unique profile.

Regards,
Bill


Mixing Tank Cars (was Sanborn Maps)

Shawn Beckert
 

Gary Meyer wrote:

So I gather that UTLX was or is operated by
Standard Oil. Back in the late 1940s, I remember
watching Pacific Electric, electric locomotives
(motors) pulling mixed freights of box cars, tank
cars, reefers and etc. from the Los Angeles harbor.
I recall that the majority of the tank cars were
either GATX or UTLX. In recent years I have wondered
if those and perhaps other companies would have in
event of a shortage of their own cars, used another
companies tank car. In other words would it be
prototypically correct to see a mixture of tank car
lines, cars, being loaded at a GATX or other facility
in that era.
Gary, Union Tank Car was created by John D. Rockefeller
for the express purpose of hauling oil and oil by-products
for his Standard Oil Company. As a rule, Standard's bulk
dealers and refineries were supplied by UTLX cars to keep
a measure of control over the sale and distribution of the
product. If you can, get a copy of "John D. Rockefeller's
Secret Weapon", which tells the story of the formation of
Union Tank Car Lines.

As far as mixing tank cars to fit different time periods,
that's kind of a gray subject. In World War Two, you could
see any companies tank cars anywhere, due to the taking over
of the oil distribution business by the government. Tank car
guru Richard Hendrickson can give a better dissertation on
this than I can. Before and after the war years, most oil
companies had enough of their own cars on hand to satisfy
their refinery needs and those of their customers.

Shawn Beckert

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