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Re: Sanborn Map Access

Shawn Beckert
 

Garth,

I actually called UMI a few weeks ago after beating my
head against the wall trying to find another way to get
into the database. "Nope, you can only gain access through
one of our subscribing institutions." Could people subscribe
on an individual basis for the states they wanted to see?
"Well, we don't normally do that, and if we did it would
cost you a few grand." Oh, swell.

Looks like I'll end up doing a letter writing campaign to
the public libraries in Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, etc.,
just to see if I can't beg, borrow or steal a library card.

I'll let you know what happens...

Shawn Beckert


Re: Sanborn Map Access

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Shawn,

The UMI/Bell & Howell collection of Sanborn maps (just one of several collections of these maps) is
available on-line, but access is restricted. This means users in subscribing libraries or universities
can call them up, but you can't do it from home. Yeah, I know it's a bummer, but that's capitalism for
you.

Some folks have reported being able to access a Sanborn collection through the San Jose Public Library.
Maybe this will work for you, but I can't do it. The library where I work uses the same service, and any
attempt to get to them through the San Jose site sends me right back here to UVA. We subscribe only to
maps for Virginia and Washington, D.C.

If anyone can find a link an unrestricted link to the collection, I would love to know about it.

The Chadwyck-Healey collection of Sanborn maps are available on microfilm, and any public or college
library should be able to borrow selected reels for you. I happen to have "California, Pasedena-Pinole"
sitting on my desk in front of me right now. Just keep in mind that the collection is HUGE (something
like 170 reels for California alone), and you have to be pretty specific about what you want.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


"Beckert, Shawn" wrote:


Fellow Listers,

Has anyone figured out a way to gain access to the
on-line Sanborn Fire Insurance Map database for any
state other than the one they live in?

It's been my experience - so far - that the various
institutions in California that have these maps on
the internet have them only for California, and no
other state. This is fine if you're just doing some
research on California railroads. If you're into a
railroad like the SP/SSW system that covered another
dozen states, you're out of luck.

For example: Most, if not all, the big public libraries
in Texas have the Sanborn maps for that state available
on the internet, but you can only gain access if you
have a library card with one of them. The big catch: you
have to be a resident of Texas to get a Texas Public
Library card. This is most unfortunate for me, since a
lot of SP/SSW trackage was in Texas!

Has anyone here found a way to get around this problem?
I'm not enough of a computer guru to hack my way into
these library databases. You guys have any ideas?


Sanborn Map Access

Shawn Beckert
 

Fellow Listers,

Has anyone figured out a way to gain access to the
on-line Sanborn Fire Insurance Map database for any
state other than the one they live in?

It's been my experience - so far - that the various
institutions in California that have these maps on
the internet have them only for California, and no
other state. This is fine if you're just doing some
research on California railroads. If you're into a
railroad like the SP/SSW system that covered another
dozen states, you're out of luck.

For example: Most, if not all, the big public libraries
in Texas have the Sanborn maps for that state available
on the internet, but you can only gain access if you
have a library card with one of them. The big catch: you
have to be a resident of Texas to get a Texas Public
Library card. This is most unfortunate for me, since a
lot of SP/SSW trackage was in Texas!

Has anyone here found a way to get around this problem?
I'm not enough of a computer guru to hack my way into
these library databases. You guys have any ideas?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert


Re: Stock cars under represented (was flat cars ...)

Richard Hendrickson
 

Richard,

I think I didn't make my point clear. While not certain, I was speculating
that the C&O stock car might
be a manufacturer's standard design or close enough in some respects to
those of other roads. This would
make it one possible candidate for a flexible kit. If it is not close to a
standard design, then I would
be interested to have other members of this group identify such cars (say
with similar side arrangements,
with the possibility of interchangeable roofs and ends).
Garth, AFAIK there was no such standard or de facto standard design for
stock cars, though I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Red Ball caboose rumors

Ray Breyer <rbreyer@...>
 

Garth,

No embarrasment invoked! I was receiving my info from a MRW
supplier/partner, however (a certain gentleman who makes signals in HO), and
I generally treat his word as gospel. I do apologize for the Cannonball/Red
Ball confusion. It would be easier if they just morphed all those companies
under one name, however!

One reason to throw out what you know on the internet is to see if it's
actually correct! You've given a differing opinion on my take on the
situation, and I actually hope you're correct, and not me! Unfortunately,
we'll just have to wait and see...

Ray Breyer

-----Original Message-----
From: Garth G. Groff [mailto:ggg9y@...]
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:53 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Kit Candidates for Don Winter (was:
Intermountain down thetubes?)


Dear friends,

Ray Breyer stated the following last week:

I'll second the NYC wood caboose in plastic. Laserkit refuses to do one
in
wood, and from what I've heard, the Cannonball caboose project is kaput.
Without meaning to demean Ray, his statement about the Cannonball (Red Ball)
cabooses was in error. Since
I gave Red Ball some help with historical research on some of their cars, I
have an interest in seeing
this is corrected. So I contacted Merle Rice at Model Railroading Warehouse
(which is both Cannonball and
Red Ball). He offered the following response:


"Cannonball is NOT doing cabooses. RED BALL is. they
will be styrene bodies with metal steps (correct
prototype). The project is NOT KAPUT.

"Mold work for the NYC is farthest along-- about 90%
done. It will NOT be first, however. N&W or B&O
probably will because of machine time schedules on the
molds involved (different molding machines for
different part groups). Unless we have more than
usual setbacks (there are always some) the NYC should
be early in 2003.

"Thank you for seeking FACTS rather than dealing in
rumors--far too common in the net groups. Will
appreciate your spreading FACTS."

Merle Rice
Model RR Warehouse

I apologize to Ray is this causes him any embarrassment, but I wanted to set
the record straight on this
matter.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


Re: Flat car load tie downs

Ron Boham <spnut@...>
 

--- "Bruce F. Smith" <smithbf@...> wrote:
..... In addition, I have seen photos
where threaded rod was used as a tie down and the
rod is attached to the blocking, not the car. In
these cases, there are often additional tie downs
to the car to prevent load shifting.
Tom Gloger wrote:

The 1917 rules allowed for threaded rods through the
floor of the car. See
http://prr.railfan.net/documents/LoadingRules-1917.pdf
(long!) for more information.

Is this practice still followed? If so, weathering
of flat car decks could include sets of #80 holes in
appropriate places.

If this practice was abandoned, does anyone know when?

- Tom Gloger
Most of the post-WWII cars had what was described as a "nailable steel
floor", which would accept large nails or power-shot nails to secure
dunnage. For secure attachment, however, railroad personnel would often weld
braces or other securing hardware right to the floor of the car. Release for
unloading was done with an oxy-acetylene cutting torch, and the weld area
sometimes cleaned up with a grinder, and sometimes not.

A welded connection is easy to model, just use a light filet of ACC, showing
on both sides of the rod. Twenty-four hours after welding, the color would
be straight rust.

Ron Boham
Ralston, NE


Re: Flat car load tie downs

Tom Gloger
 

--- "Bruce F. Smith" <smithbf@...> wrote:
To add to the excellent descriptions given already,
shippers were not afraid to use lots of nails etc
in the decks of flat cars as well.
While this usually was limited to blocking ... there
are nice photos of military loads showing steel
plates, with welded on tie down loops bolted to the
decks of flats. In addition, I have seen photos
where threaded rod was used as a tie down and the
rod is attached to the blocking, not the car. In
these cases, there are often additional tie downs
to the car to prevent load shifting.
The 1917 rules allowed for threaded rods through the
floor of the car. See
http://prr.railfan.net/documents/LoadingRules-1917.pdf
(long!) for more information.

Is this practice still followed? If so, weathering
of flat car decks could include sets of #80 holes in
appropriate places.

If this practice was abandoned, does anyone know when?

- Tom Gloger


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JGG KahnSr <jacekahn@...>
 

Dear Jim
Thanks for the cautionary note; I peeked anyway and seeing the plethora of nice prototypes at low prices ALMOST makes me regret my scale-change many years back.
Jace Kahn

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Re: 1950s ACF 19k gal tank?

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Brian,

I think what you want is an article by Bill Landis, "Colorful tank cars of the Chicago Great Western", in
the March 1990 RMC.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


cornbeltroute wrote:


1954-57, ACF built a number of company tank cars for the Chicago Great
Western. OL was 48-10, I believe. I am searching for plans, drawings,
data about these cars. There is a builder's photo of one of these cars
in the 1961 Cyc but no drawing.

I have builder's numbers:
Lot 02-4300
Lot 02-5073
Lot 02-4631

I believe there were two differing tank-end radii involved with these
cars, so they are not identical.

GAT built one series of these cars also, Lot B.O. 4654, year 1955.

If someone has information about these tankers, or can point me in a
direction to discover same, I would be appreciative. Thanks much,


Re: airplanes and rail tank cars book.....

n40015@...
 

Richard.... a friend of mine at Bowman Field (Louisville) has a Citabria
Chief (immaculate!) and a 2001 Champion.... a 76-year old flight instuctor
that I've been flying with has a gorgeous Stearman with less than 2,000 TT
hours on it!!.... being around these people and these planes is definitely
one of the reasons that I don't get more rr modeling/ research done!

In a message dated 6/16/2 7:07:24 PM, rhendrickson@... writes:

<< Charles Dean writes:

It's always nice to hear from some of the pilots on this list.... says one
who is waiting for for some weather to clear this morning so I can go fly an
Aeronca Champ 7EC.... wondering if I'll see any list members at EAA's Oshkosh
next month....
I scratched a low-level survey flight this afternoon because the wind was
varying in direction 30 to 40 degrees and in strength from 15-25 with gusts
to 35. My Citabria is your Aeronca on steroids and its wing loading is
only slightly heavier, so you know why I canceled. Since its a 7KCAB with
inverted fuel and oil, it flies just fine upside down, but I'd rather not
be upside down unintentionally at low altitude.

weatherwise, this summer has been the best I can recall in my 54 years of
living mostly in Kentucky.... expecting to get in 15-20 flight hours a month
before school starts up again the middle of august..... mild temps, low
humidity (!!!), mostly clear, blue skies......

I've spent some time in the PNW and really enjoyed aircraft renting at Port
Angeles a couple of years ago so I could fly around puget sound, friday
harbor, etc....

I had plans to come to Portland this summer for the GN, SP&S, and NP
conventions next month and do some PNW flying again..... but decided to save
the funds and buy machine tools (lathe, milling mach, resist soldering, etc)
to better build some tank cars!

Yesterday it occurred to me that it is now time to do a book on railroad tank
cars..... an "all about..." book, covering evolution, types, manufacturers
(with their identifying characteristics, saddles, etc.), commodities and
their uses, fixtures and appliances, models and their prototypes, research
sources..... different authors for different chapters.... just tossing this
out for comments right now.... would like to see it published by next
summer....
Just be patient. There are actually two books on tank cars in preparation.
They will complement each other and will provide much of the information
you want.

please elaborate.... Kaminski's doing one on acf tanks, right..... and rumor
has it that you might be working on one as well.... how's it coming?....

what's the focus?.... classic tanks? photo book? modeling? drawings?
identifiying characteristics of various manufacturers/eras? commodities? an
inquiring tank car mind wants to know.....

Charlie

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520
>>


1950s ACF 19k gal tank?

cornbeltroute <cornbeltroute@...>
 

1954-57, ACF built a number of company tank cars for the Chicago Great
Western. OL was 48-10, I believe. I am searching for plans, drawings,
data about these cars. There is a builder's photo of one of these cars
in the 1961 Cyc but no drawing.

I have builder's numbers:
Lot 02-4300
Lot 02-5073
Lot 02-4631

I believe there were two differing tank-end radii involved with these
cars, so they are not identical.

GAT built one series of these cars also, Lot B.O. 4654, year 1955.

If someone has information about these tankers, or can point me in a
direction to discover same, I would be appreciative. Thanks much,

Brian Chapman
Granger Roads
Cedar Rapids, Iowa


Re: Flat car load tie downs

Bruce F. Smith <smithbf@...>
 

I have considerable info on how flat car loads are attached. However, I've
come to realize that I don't really know how tie downs are attached to the
flat car. IOW, assuming that they are attached to the stake
holders...exactly how are they attached? Thanks.

Mike Brock
Mike,

To add to the excellent descriptions given already, shippers were not
afraid to use lots of nails etc in the decks of flat cars as well. While
this usually was limited to blocking (nice article in MR on tractors, but
WEATHERED blocking?), there are nice photos of military loads showing steel
plates, with welded on tie down loops bolted to the decks of flats. In
addition, I have seen photos where threaded rod was used a as a tie down
and the rod is attached to the blocking, not the car. In these cases,
there are often additional tie downs to the car to prevent load shifting.

Happy Rails
Bruce

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Scott-Ritchey Research Center
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Re: Kit Candidates for Don Winter (was: Intermountain down thetubes?)

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Dear friends,

Ray Breyer stated the following last week:

I'll second the NYC wood caboose in plastic. Laserkit refuses to do one in
wood, and from what I've heard, the Cannonball caboose project is kaput.
Without meaning to demean Ray, his statement about the Cannonball (Red Ball) cabooses was in error. Since
I gave Red Ball some help with historical research on some of their cars, I have an interest in seeing
this is corrected. So I contacted Merle Rice at Model Railroading Warehouse (which is both Cannonball and
Red Ball). He offered the following response:


"Cannonball is NOT doing cabooses. RED BALL is. they
will be styrene bodies with metal steps (correct
prototype). The project is NOT KAPUT.

"Mold work for the NYC is farthest along-- about 90%
done. It will NOT be first, however. N&W or B&O
probably will because of machine time schedules on the
molds involved (different molding machines for
different part groups). Unless we have more than
usual setbacks (there are always some) the NYC should
be early in 2003.

"Thank you for seeking FACTS rather than dealing in
rumors--far too common in the net groups. Will
appreciate your spreading FACTS."

Merle Rice
Model RR Warehouse

I apologize to Ray is this causes him any embarrassment, but I wanted to set the record straight on this
matter.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


Re: Stock cars under represented (was flat cars ...)

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Richard,

I think I didn't make my point clear. While not certain, I was speculating that the C&O stock car might
be a manufacturer's standard design or close enough in some respects to those of other roads. This would
make it one possible candidate for a flexible kit. If it is not close to a standard design, then I would
be interested to have other members of this group identify such cars (say with similar side arrangements,
with the possibility of interchangeable roofs and ends).

I will not dispute the market forces you cite, but I still believe (or hope) that a properly engineered
flexible kit which could fit several close prototypes might find a market niche.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Richard Hendrickson wrote:


... As for the C&O, you want a styrene stock car
kit for a RR with a fleet of 236 cars, only 100 of which were the type you
described? Give me, as we say, a break.

Equally important, modelers of eastern RRs tend to view stock cars in much
the same way that those of who model western roads (with the exception of
Mike Brock, of course) view hoppers: who needs 'em? When Life-Like issued
the Mather stock car kits, they got a lot of complaints from the
east-of-the-Missisippi contingent about producing kits for cars that nobody
wanted or needed when there were so many other prototypes (often hoppers
were mentioned) that everyone was desperate to get. Life-Like's stock cars
sold well in other parts of the country, of course, as well as being warmly
welcomed by the B&O guys. Still, there's no point in bucking market
resistance, even when the resistance arises out of ignorance.


Re: Software for Rolling Stock Inventory

Mike Davison <davison@...>
 

CarCards@...



On Sunday 16 June 2002 08:38 pm, Ron Boham wrote:
Dave,

What is the official name of the "Car Card Yahoo Group"? I just went
through
about 165 RR groups and came up lemons.

Thanks,

Ron Boham

dehusman wrote:

--- In STMFC@y..., "buttemoose" <montana.moose@v...> wrote:
Any one have a recommendation as to software for maintaining
inventory of model rolling stock.
========================
If you have MS Access97, on the files of the Car Cards Yahoo Group
there is a freeware Car Card database application I wrote for
inventory and car forwarding. If you want to modify it to add
additional fields it is fully able to be modified by the user.

Dave H.


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Re: Software for Rolling Stock Inventory

Ron Boham <spnut@...>
 

Dave,

What is the official name of the "Car Card Yahoo Group"? I just went through
about 165 RR groups and came up lemons.

Thanks,

Ron Boham

dehusman wrote:

--- In STMFC@y..., "buttemoose" <montana.moose@v...> wrote:
Any one have a recommendation as to software for maintaining
inventory of model rolling stock.
========================
If you have MS Access97, on the files of the Car Cards Yahoo Group
there is a freeware Car Card database application I wrote for
inventory and car forwarding. If you want to modify it to add
additional fields it is fully able to be modified by the user.

Dave H.


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Re: B&O gondola color - follow up

Larry Smith
 

B&O actually used two different paint schemes on thier gons. Black for regular
freight service and "Red Devil Red" for maintenance of way service. The red
color was used on all other MOW equipement also.

Larry Smith

Ned Carey wrote:

Thank you Chris and Richard. I'll go with black.

The reason I asked about the Gon colors is because in my Morning Sun "B&O
Trackside with Willis A. McCaleb" there is a picture of a red B&O gon. (p127
if your playing along). It is a partial side view with the "13 States"
capitol dome herald. It is a wood side gon that looks like it could be in
MOW service.

Richard H. wrote:
I just finished a Westerfield B&O gon with the prewar
capitol dome herald and I painted it black, so I don't want to hear
anything to the contrary. AFAIK, all B&O gons were black.
Careful Richard, it's a slippery slope from an east coast gon to a string of
Pennsy hoppers.

Ned


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Re: Sunshine Santa Fe Gons

Keith Jordan <kjordan@...>
 

David Thompson wonders
More Caswell gons? I hope there are enough Santa Fe guys and gals to
buy all those cars, since Sunshine's not gonna make their margins on me.
And since those cars were built with Wine door locks, it's not really
correct to call them 'Caswell', is it?
No, David, they aren't Caswells, which are well represented by Westerfield.
These are GS wood and steel gons with Wine door locking mechanisms. I don't
have my data on Santa Fe gons handy, so I can't be more specific. Perhaps
Richard can fill in.

Keith Jordan


Re: B&O gondola color - follow up

Ned Carey <westernmd@...>
 

Thank you Chris and Richard. I'll go with black.

The reason I asked about the Gon colors is because in my Morning Sun "B&O
Trackside with Willis A. McCaleb" there is a picture of a red B&O gon. (p127
if your playing along). It is a partial side view with the "13 States"
capitol dome herald. It is a wood side gon that looks like it could be in
MOW service.

Richard H. wrote:
I just finished a Westerfield B&O gon with the prewar
capitol dome herald and I painted it black, so I don't want to hear
anything to the contrary. AFAIK, all B&O gons were black.
Careful Richard, it's a slippery slope from an east coast gon to a string of
Pennsy hoppers.

Ned


Re: Why I don't buy Sunshine cars

Al & Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

On this point I should mention that the new USRA SS radial roof and USRA DS
Hutchins roof cars are now up on our web page at
http://users.multipro.com/westerfield - Al

I feel in todays age, it is a must for a small cottage industry model
railraod mfger to use the internet. He can at least join the salient chat
rooms and email pix to interested parties.

Don Winter

186561 - 186580 of 195527