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Re: Ulrich Car

Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...>
 

On Sep 19, 5:11pm, Beckert, Shawn wrote:
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Ulrich Car
Jeff sez:

Oh gawd, another shake the box kit - and I thought we were
supposed to LIKE fiddly parts here. And what prototype does
this little beast represent, anywho?

Shawn Beckert, deeply skeptical...

Shawn,

I believe it's based on an Espee GS gon. You'll have to ask a
"publisher of books on railroads and on Western history" for the exact SP
class.

It is also very similar to the UP G-50-7 (the ends are different).
The Red Caboose RTR car 8-( is a UP G-50-11, -13, or (if you add a Duryea
u/f) G-50-14.

Regards,

-Jeff

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Re: Ulrich

thompson@...
 

Jon Miller said:
Interesting Jeff, the car appears to be made of metal. It also appears
to have "some" inside rivet detail which I don't think the last runs of
Ulrich had. Who makes it? I thought the Ulrich molds (and name) were
bought by someone (Bowser perhaps)!
Steve Gill now owns the (formerly damaged) ex Ulrich, ex Walthers dies,
and is doing the cars in styrene. I assume the dies are repaired.

Shawn Beckert then asked:
And what prototype does this little beast represent, anywho?
Shawn! Shame on you! Buy the book <g>, and no prizes for guessing which
book. It's from a group of 4250 nearly identical cars, VERY different than
the RC or DA cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: The End of The "Kit"

ljack70117@...
 

You did not understand my question. I understand the history of Hong Kong.
When Hong Kong was returned to China, All the businesses were left
alone by the Chinese government to continue their capitalist ways.
Bachmann is a subsidiary of this Hong Kong company. The Hong Kong
company owns Bachmann and calls the shots. This company had their own
factory there. I see no reason to close it and make stuff in "China"
Thank you
Larry Jackman

Philip Dove wrote:


Also when did Bachmann go to China for production? They are owned by a
company in Hong Kong and they have their own Factory.
Hong Kong was a British Colony till 1997 when it reverted to China. If
Bachmann was there then it was just that the province changed hands, as had
been agreed about 150 years ago when the British got Hong Kong & The new
territories in a peace deal after winning a war to have the right to sell
Opium to China. For some reason the Chinese Emperor didn't want the
population whacked out of their minds all the time.
Regards
Philip Dove


Re: Ulrich Car

Shawn Beckert
 

Jeff sez:

Easy: 1) It's a kit !
2) It's a different prototype.
3) It's a kit!
4) It doesn't have a lot of fiddly parts to assemble --
did you see the brake rigging? One quick shake of the
box, and voila!
Oh gawd, another shake the box kit - and I thought we were
supposed to LIKE fiddly parts here. And what prototype does
this little beast represent, anywho?

Shawn Beckert, deeply skeptical...


Re: Ulrich Car

Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...>
 

On Sep 19, 4:57pm, Beckert, Shawn wrote:
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Ulrich Car
Jeff Aley wrote:

Let's go back to freight cars -- cars like the "new" Ulrich
gondola at http://www.railstop.com/Products/Ulrich/gs-sample.asp
S'plain to me how this is going to compete with Red Caboose and DA.

Shawn Beckert

Shawn,

Easy: 1) It's a KIT !
2) It's a different prototype.
3) It's a KIT!
4) It doesn't have a lot of fiddly parts to assemble -- did you
see the brake rigging? One quick shake of the box, and voila!

8-)


-Jeff

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Re: Ulrich Car

Shawn Beckert
 

Jeff Aley wrote:

Let's go back to freight cars -- cars like the "new" Ulrich
gondola at http://www.railstop.com/Products/Ulrich/gs-sample.asp
S'plain to me how this is going to compete with Red Caboose and DA.

Shawn Beckert


Re: Ulrich

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Interesting Jeff, the car appears to be made of metal. It also appears
to have "some" inside rivet detail which I don't think the last runs of
Ulrich had. Who makes it? I thought the Ulrich molds (and name) were
bought by someone (Bowser perhaps)!

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


The End of The China discussion

Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...>
 

Gang,

As some have noted, this topic has wandered away from discussions
of Freight Cars and their models, and into the realm of politics,
international trade, and world history.

Let's go back to freight cars -- cars like the "new" Ulrich
gondola at http://www.railstop.com/Products/Ulrich/gs-sample.asp .

Thanks,

-Jeff
STMFC Deputy Moderator

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Re: The End of The "Kit"

thompson@...
 

Larry Jackman said:
I see no reason to close it and make stuff in "China"
Then I'd say you don't know much about either Hong Kong or China, Larry.
The cramped and old spaces in Hong Kong are being rapidly superseded by
modern, larger factories on the mainland; and the labor force there is
plentiful, cheaper and eager to work. Even relative to Hong Kong.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


Re: Murphy's Law - was Pre-Assembled Cars

paulbizier <pbizier@...>
 

--- In STMFC@y..., "Marty McGuirk" <mac@i...> wrote:
Some good news that actually ties into the topic for this list:

We have just completed the tooling on our N scale FGE refrigerator
car, and
the design of the HO car is well along. They ran in large blocks on
the
Central Vermont in the 1950s, so we decided to produce them in both
scales.
. . and I almost mean that seriously.

Marty
Well, Murphy's Law strikes again - I just bought a couple of Accurail
reefers to hack, and have a Sunshine reefer on the shelf as well.
Marty - Which series are you going to produce? And when will the HO
version be available?

Paul


Re: UTLX NG conversions

Earl Tuson
 

From: "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@...>

Where did you -or PBL- find this information? I had
thought narrow gauge tank cars (Gramps, etc.) were
narrow gauge from the get-go. I'd be very interested
to find out just how many UTLX cars were converted in
such a fashion. You don't happen to have a list of
car numbers, do you?
I have no idea where PBL got their data from; I got mine
from a short car history by Bill Horky included within
their lengthy instructions (24 pages plus addenda,) which,
besides being "chatty," give the impression that research
has been done.

That car history states that 34 UTLX 6000 gallon cars were
converted between 1924 and 1930. They were later leased to
other companies (Texaco, Conoco.) Car numbers are not
given for the preconversion cars. I don't know if this
number includes both the Van Dyke cars and the X design
conversions or not.

There was also a three part narrow gauge tank car article
series in the 7-8/78, 9-10/78, and 11-12/80 NG&SLG. I only
have the third part on Conoco cars, while the others
covered UTLX and Texaco, repsectively. The Conoco article
talks about "building" tank cars at Alamosa, but I
sincerely doubt the narrow gauge shops could make the
tanks, I would interpret this as "convert" or "place
purchased tanks onto fabricated underframes." There is a
bunch more there, but it is hard to make sense of. They
mention 46 known CONX cars (might that include former UTLX
cars mentioned above??)

If you need more, it sounds like that Robb book may be
useful. I am not a narrow gauge fan; I just want to
convert one of the UTLX cars back to standard gauge! The
Sn3 kit provides me with the tank, loads of detail parts
(many extra pieces included,) and decals, and I have
standard gauge underframe drawings from an old CBC.

Earl Tuson

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Re: Red Caboose X-29 Patch Panels

Mont Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

THE BLANK DECAL PAPER THAT WALTHERS SELLS IS ABOUT THE THICKEST THAT I HAVE
RUN INTO AND MIGHT DO THE JOB. IF NOT, YOUR SUGGESTION OF MULTIPLE LAYERS
IS A GOOD IDEA. I AGREE THAT THE THICKER THE BETTER IN THIS APPLICATION.
MONT

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Red Caboose X-29 Patch Panels



Mont, that's a good suggestion. But I recommended Champ decals because
they tend to be on the thick side. I'm not sure the thickness of only
one layer of paint would be enough.

At 09:17 PM 9/17/2002, you wrote:
IF YOU WANT TO USE DECAL MATERIAL FOR PATCH PANELS GET BLANK STOCK AND
PAINT
IT THE SAME COLOR AS YOUR CAR. THEN CUT OUT THE DECAL SECTIONS THAT YOU
NEED AND APPLY THEM IN THE USUAL MANNER. WEATHERING SHOULD ADD A LITTLE
MORE EFFECT. MONT

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts



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Re: The End of The "Kit"

JGG KahnSr <jacekahn@...>
 

And it can even be said to have a railroad theme...
Jace Kahn
Mostly Fairbanks


Try: http://www.rutland.com/polish/polish.htm .

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Charles Morrill wrote:

Have you tried to find that stove polish recently?





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B&O M-26D's with Duryea Underframes

Shawn Beckert
 

Fellow Listers,

Poring over Ted Culotta's database once more,
(see how much we're relying on you, Ted?) I
note that the M-26D's in series 272500-273499
came with Duryea underframes. This makes the
Red Caboose "ARA" kits painted and lettered for
this number series incorrect.

IIRC, Martin Lofton's "minikit" this past year was
a Duryea underframe. How hard would it be to take
that underframe and mate it to the RC carbody? Was
there any difference from road to road as to the
basic dimensions of Duryea-equipped 40' boxcars?

If so, then what kit did Martin have in mind to be
used with his Duryea underframe?

Shawn Beckert


Re: The End of The "Kit"

Philip Dove <pdove@...>
 

Also when did Bachmann go to China for production? They are owned by a
company in Hong Kong and they have their own Factory.
Hong Kong was a British Colony till 1997 when it reverted to China. If
Bachmann was there then it was just that the province changed hands, as had
been agreed about 150 years ago when the British got Hong Kong & The new
territories in a peace deal after winning a war to have the right to sell
Opium to China. For some reason the Chinese Emperor didn't want the
population whacked out of their minds all the time.
Regards
Philip Dove


Fw: [steamloco] Ratios

armprem
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Armand Premo" <armprem@...>
To: <steamloco@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:50 AM
Subject: [steamloco] Ratios


After analyzing consists of one road and one train, for a period of one
whole year certain patterns emerge;box cars predominated.There were fewer
reefers ,tank cars,flat cars and gons.The bulk of cars on this particular
train was mainly box cars and hoppers with a sprinkling of other
types.Certain roads that one might expect to show up because of their size
and geographic location were conspicuous by their absence i.e.; N&W and
C&O
hoppers never showed up.Before I draw any conclusions,I would have to
examine more consists for other trains on this particular road.I trust
this
will generate a lenghty discussion.AP





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Re: The End of The "Kit"

ljack70117@...
 

The money going to the manufacturer in China is going to the Chinese Army. How do you expect them to
buy US of A secrets and a President? They pay their workers as little as they can.
Also when did Bachmann go to China for production? They are owned by a company in Hong Kong and they
have their own Factory.
Thank you
Larry Jackman

Tim O'Connor wrote:


It's getting away from freight cars rather, but someone is making quite a
profit on RTR cars.
Agreed, and that is the purpose of business, to make money, the more the
better. One thing we need to consider is what one dollar buys in China
compared to what one dollar buys in the US. Then a logical conclusion can be
drawn about the pay scale for the Chineese worker. So, what does a Chineese
worker pay for a beer in a Chineese pub compared to the $3.25 or more I pay a
domestic beer in Amarillo?
Jerry, surely you don't expect us to believe that a factory worker in
China lives as well as a factory worker in the U.S.? I doubt very much
that he can afford to buy many of the trains that he builds for us.

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Walthers Catalog-Wabash WWII emergency Gons and Westerfield

Richard Hendrickson
 

I was perusing the 2003 Walthers catalog yesterday....

F&C has Wabash WWII emergency Gons listed with a photo.

I'm modeling the Wabash in the early 50's. Are these F&C cars
representative of what I might need or should I wait until Martin
comes out with his?
These are R&C re-runs of the kits they originally made for the RPI hobby
shop. The pattern work was, IIRC, pretty good and as F&C has improved
their quality control these are probably good kits as resin kits go. And
the Wabash did have war emergency composite 40' gondolas, so you may want
to build one.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Walthers Catalog-Wabash WWII emergency Gons and Westerfield

tcschc <tculotta@...>
 

--- In STMFC@y..., "skunkskunk2001" <fwj@m...> wrote:
F&C has Wabash WWII emergency Gons listed with a photo.

I'm modeling the Wabash in the early 50's. Are these F&C cars
representative of what I might need or should I wait until Martin
comes out with his?
The F&C gons and the forthcoming gon from Sun are two different beasts.
The one from Sun is a steel gon while the F&C version is composite, although
both are of AAR design. For a detailed look at the composite ones (courtesy
of a lot of info from Chet French) click here:
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/gon/wab13000main.html

Regards,
Ted


P&N Box Car Help

golden1014
 

Gentlemen,

The question below has stymied everybody on the
Seaboard-Coast Line group. Can anyone offer any
insight?

Thanks!
John Golden
Travis AFB, CA
**************

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert E. Lucas
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:38 PM
Subject: P&N Box Cars

Would you know any information sources for the Pressed
Steel Car Co.? PSC built 165 single sheathed 1 1/2
door 40' auto boxcars for the Piedmont and Northern
Railway in 1925. In 1939, the AC&Y acquired 150 cars
second-hand for revenue (tire) service, some as late
as 1970. I've been in touch with Tom Fetters, author
of the Golden West P&N book, but am still looking for
more on the P&N 24,000 series cars when still in
service on the "Electric Railway of the South".

Bob Lucas, Publications Editor - AC&Y HS

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