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Re: scanned slide 2

Richard Hendrickson
 

Clark Probst wrote:

...Murphy roofs usually
don't go to the edge of the car side. On these cars it does, plus
there's a recessed area between the roof and the car side and the end
overhangs. Is this a hallmark of the Dispatch shops?
No, it's a hallmark of the original (1920s) Murphy steel roofs. And though
later Murphy roofs with rectangular panels generally didn't have this
overhanging lip on box cars, they did (for some reason I'm unaware of) on
almost all refrigerator cars.

...I built a
Westerfield MC door and a half box car some time ago for a friend. I
don't recall the recessed area below the roof on that 'as built' model.
It was there, though, on both prototype and model. When NYC applied new
roofs to their USRA-design box cars, they kept the eaves the same and the
new roofs, like the original ones, had the overhanging lips at both sides
and ends.


Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Decal help please

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Ah, I think the first part of the message said "from another list". I'm
cryptic like that<VBG>. Richard likes to use the term Bozo's so I thought
Emmett Kelly being a clown and posing with his models in his clown suit fit.
If you could see me I'm laughing and smiling through out this entire
exchange. I'm going to give up now as when I need a dozen emails to explain
my jokes I'm really in bad shape!

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Re: Decal help please

byronrose@...
 

Jon,

I wasn't accusing anybody of anything. I just missed that part of the
conversation, for reasons unknown, and wondered what it referred to. I
still can't find any reference to Emmett Kelly or Bozo that would lead to
your comment. I must have missed an email message somewhere and I
thought I had read the entire "Decal help please" thread..

Under the circumstances you mentioned, of course, your comment is
absolutely correct.

BSR



On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:44:21 -0700 "Jon Miller" <atsf@...> writes:
Byron,
I'm not dissing anyone. There was discussion that Emmett Kelly
was a
MRR'er and that statement was made. Being how the term Bozo is
sometimes
used I thought Emmett was the ultimate MRR clown! My humor is
lacking as
always.

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scanned slide 2

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

Thanks Richard,

EORX 1910 was carrying propane gas, while 1956 was empty.

I looked up the NYC box cars on my list, 2 were loaded with zinc, 2
with rye, two others had loads of soybeans and barley each. My next
question is about the murphy roofs on these cars. Murphy roofs usually
don't go to the edge of the car side. On these cars it does, plus
there's a recessed area between the roof and the car side and the end
overhangs. Is this a hallmark of the Dispatch shops? I built a
Westerfield MC door and a half box car some time ago for a friend. I
don't recall the recessed area below the roof on that 'as built' model.
I think the rebuilt roof being unpainted is what's most appealing about
these cars.

Clark Propst


Re: Clinchfield 2-Bay Hoppers

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

John

These were their USRA hoppers. I have 3 or 4 pictures. Photos of theses cars are hard to come by. I will send you addresses of sources if you will send me your email address. Curt Fortenberry up in Alaska is working on several southeastern decal projects, including Clinchfield hoppers. I have sent him a lot of info on CRR, Southern, L&N, and NC&StL trying to improve what is available for hoppers and boxcars.

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On 4/21/01, at 8:05 PM, John Golden wrote:

Brothers,

Please pardon the cross-post.

Does anybody have any photos of Clinchfield two-bay, ribbed side hoppers (similar to the Accurail HO model), circa 1950? I have a few cars that need decals and know that CRR had some of those cars--they were almost exactly like the Accurail cars, but I don't know what the paint scheme looked like. Thanks for your help!

Yours,

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Re: Decal help please

billd@...
 

Thank you, Richard for your comments regarding this car.

Thankfully I am not so far into the building of this kit
that I cannot undo the errors and do it correctly.

I can't understand how Tichy can do such a good job on 90%
of the kit, and totally blow the rest. I don't think that
Bill Gould would have tolerated this level of sloppiness.

Bill Daniels,
who now knows just what to do with that oddball set of Cape
Line National B-1's that are kicking around the house!


Clinchfield 2-Bay Hoppers

golden1014
 

Brothers,

Please pardon the cross-post.

Does anybody have any photos of Clinchfield two-bay, ribbed side hoppers (similar to the Accurail HO model), circa 1950? I have a few cars that need decals and know that CRR had some of those cars--they were almost exactly like the Accurail cars, but I don't know what the paint scheme looked like. Thanks for your help!

Yours,

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Re: Decal help please

Richard Hendrickson
 

Tim O'connor wrote:

I wonder if Martin Lofton has any extra decal sets for the WE
mill gons that are available for sale?
Richard, et al,

I have found Greg's work to be of very high quality. So is most
of Martin's work, so it may be a toss up in this case.

GREG KOMAR Dry Transfers
15532 Woodway Drive
Tampa FL 33613

These are all $3.95 a set
Thanks, Tim. I'll see how well I can make out in modeling a NYC and a PRR
car using the Tichy decal set. But if I run into problems I'll turn to
Greg's dry transfer sets. Like you, I routinely apply dry transfers to
decal paper and then apply them as decals on cars like the WE gons where
projecting side framing and other details complicate the process of
applying them directly as dry transfers. A simple procedure, and it works
just fine.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: scanned slide

Richard Hendrickson
 

Clark Probst wrote:

I have a list of emergency setouts on the M&StL for the years
48,49,50,58,59. The tank cars and reefers are the most troublesome to
"put a face to a name". The lists has the following Cities Service, EORX
cars, are any of these like the tall domed car in the scanned slide?
EORX 1910,1956,2561,6396. I can list this cars cargo and when and where
they were going if there's interest.
EORX 1200-1999 were AAR class TPI, ICC-105 11K gal. propane/butane cars. I
have photos of EORX 1212, built by AC&F in 4/45, and EORX 1248, built by
GATC in 10/47. EORX 2561 was a 10K gal. TM (series 2000-3999) and EORX
6396 an 8K gal. TM (series 4000-6999) I have no photos or details on any
of the cars in these large and, apparently, "catch-all" series.

Could some one give me the number series for the two NYC box cars
again? I will see if either of them are on the list. Is there a model
available for either of these cars in their rebuilt configuration for
the time period of the slide? If there's a model and their on the list,
I think I should have one, they are very neat cars.
Those NYC cars were among thousands of cars built for the NYC in the 1920s
to some variation of what was originally the USRA steel fifty ton box car
(designed by, but never built for, the USRA). Al Westerfield has kits for
these cars (including some recent kits with one piece bodies), but I'm not
sure whether any of his kits model the prototype cars after WW II when all
of them were re-roofed with Murphy rectangular panel steel roofs. Should
be an easy kitbash, though, if you use a flat-molded kit, as those roofs
were used on all the AAR standard box cars until ca. 1948 and are available
from numerous sources.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Decal help please

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

I wonder if Martin Lofton has any extra decal sets for the WE
mill gons that are available for sale?
Richard, et al,

I have found Greg's work to be of very high quality. So is most
of Martin's work, so it may be a toss up in this case.

GREG KOMAR Dry Transfers
15532 Woodway Drive
Tampa FL 33613

These are all $3.95 a set

322 ATSF 52'6" War Emergency gondola
323 RI 52'6" War Emergency gondola
324 N&W 52'6" War Emergency gondola
325 NYC 52'6" War Emergency gondola
326 PRR 52'6" War Emergency gondola
327 CNJ 52'6" War Emergency gondola
329 LV 52'6" War Emergency gondola

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: Decal help please

Richard Hendrickson
 

Bill Daniels wrote:

FWIW, I understand that the PRR version of this car had
National B-1 trucks under it...maybe some of the other roads
were similar? Anybody out there know for sure?
One class of Santa Fe cars (Ga-63) and both classes of PRR cars (G28 and
G30) had National B-1s. The other Santa Fe cars (class Ga-61) had Barber
S-2s.

I have one of the undec kits kicking around the dining room
table, and at least Tichy did a nice job with the casting.
Which is more than I can say for his instructions...a plan
or diagram to illustrate where the parts go would be nice!
In addition to the sketchy instructions (which include zero prototype
data), a model built directly from the kit is not entirely correct for ANY
prototype war emergency mill gondola. The kit was apparently intended to
model the NYC/IHB cars, as it has towing staples under the side sills. But
those cars had lever style hand brakes, as did the PRR cars, whereas the
kit comes with "sidesaddle" Ajax (presumably because that's the only
handbrake that comes in Tichy's AB brake set). The Santa Fe and CNJ cars
had Ajax brakes but different ends. The Rock Island cars also had
completely different ends. These and other shortcomings are all
correctable, but only if you have prototype data and photos. Fortunately,
those are on the way. Ted Culotta has put together a very comprehensive
and well illustrated article on the prototypes for a forthcoming issue of
RMC, and in that same issue I'll have a kit review pointing out the various
problems. One of the most important is the impossibility of getting
adequate weight into the model if it's empty; as it comes out of the box,
it weighs about 2 oz., less than half of the NMRA recommended weight for
its length - guaranteed to stringline unless you run it just in front of
the caboose. By using sheet lead instead of the steel weight in the kit
and a pair of old Cape Line cast metal National B-1 trucks, I managed to
get the weight up to about 3-1/2 oz., still not ideal but probably enough
so the model will operate reliably. I'll build a couple more of these
cars, but I'll model them with loads so I can get enough weight in there to
keep the cars on the track. You're right that the body molding is very
well done. But (as usual) Tichy has done some things very well and then
dropped the ball with a dull thud.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Decal help please

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Does Tichy have decals for there 52' war emergency mill gondola.
Excellent dry transfers for these cars are available from Greg Komar.
If you don't like dry transfers (especially the tiny letters) then do
what I do -- transfer the small lettering to decal paper, and apply a
light coat of Microscale Liquid Decal Film with a brush. Voila - decal!

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: Decal help please

billd@...
 

FWIW, I understand that the PRR version of this car had
National B-1 trucks under it...maybe some of the other roads
were similar? Anybody out there know for sure?

I have one of the undec kits kicking around the dining room
table, and at least Tichy did a nice job with the casting.
Which is more than I can say for his instructions...a plan
or diagram to illustrate where the parts go would be nice!

Bill Daniels
Tucson, AZ


Re: Decal help please

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Byron,
I'm not dissing anyone. There was discussion that Emmett Kelly was a
MRR'er and that statement was made. Being how the term Bozo is sometimes
used I thought Emmett was the ultimate MRR clown! My humor is lacking as
always.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
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Member SFRH&MS


Re: Decal help please

byronrose@...
 

Thanks Terry,

for jogging my memory. This is the guy who made the sets for the O ga
brass models by Pacific Limited. They're not great, but certainly better
than the Tichy sets. And the Tichy kit is made of ABS so it should take
the abuse involved in applying transfer lettering. OTOH, you can pull a
Hendrickson and rub them onto blank decal paper and apply them as . . . .
. decals.

BSR


On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:43:29 -0400 "Terry Link"
<trlink@...> writes:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Clark Propst" <cepropst@...>


Do you have a decal for this car? Usually Tichy decals are not
good
quality.
If you are willing to try a dry transfer, Greg Komar in Florida has
a number
of sets for this car.

He has sets for Santa Fe, Central of New Jersey, Lehigh Valley,.
Norfolk &
Western, New York Central, Pennsylvania, Rock Island.

His email address off the last price list I have from him is
gkomar@...


Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario
trlink@...
www.canadasouthern.com
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Re: Decal help please

byronrose@...
 

Jon, I'm baffled, even more than usual. Who are we dissing here?

BSR

On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:46:30 -0700 "Jon Miller" <atsf@...> writes:
From the PM list, the ultimate Bozo<VBG>!
He was featured years ago in RMC complete with him in clown dress
and with
his models.<

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Re: Decal help please

Terry Link
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Clark Propst" <cepropst@...>


Do you have a decal for this car? Usually Tichy decals are not good
quality.
If you are willing to try a dry transfer, Greg Komar in Florida has a number
of sets for this car.

He has sets for Santa Fe, Central of New Jersey, Lehigh Valley,. Norfolk &
Western, New York Central, Pennsylvania, Rock Island.

His email address off the last price list I have from him is
gkomar@...


Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario
trlink@...
www.canadasouthern.com


Re: Decal help please

byronrose@...
 

On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:19:12 -0700 "Jim and Ulli" <jcuc@...>
writes:
Does Tichy have decals for there 52' war emergency mill gondola. I
managed
to find one undec and would like decals for it. If they have decals
for it
how much etc.
Thanks Jim in Tacoma

Hello first time caller Jim in Tacoma,

Tichy sells these kits both without and with decals (for $2.00 extra).
As indicated by others, you really saved two bucks, cuz they are almost
useless. Each decal does five different cars, but since the kit doesn't
do even one car accurately, what's the point? Don Tichy claims he'll be
selling the kits "factory" painted and lettered (three roads only, I
think), so they'll only be wrong for one road at a time instead of five.

I'm sure some kind soul within this list would be glad to give you his or
her share of one roadname if you'd ask nicely and indicate which road.

BTY, there is a firm (whose name I can't recall) that makes decent decals
for these in HO scale because they made them for the Pacific Limited O ga
models.

Byron Rose

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Re: Decal help please

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

From the PM list, the ultimate Bozo<VBG>!
He was featured years ago in RMC complete with him in clown dress and with
his models.<

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Re: Decal help please

Richard Hendrickson
 

The one I bought has a single decal sheet (approx 2 x 4 inches) that has
Pennsy, NYC, ATSF, Rock Island (with an unnecessary RI
logo/herald/medallion) and N&W. If your kit is missing it, you should
contact Tichy.
The decals were optional - undec kits didn't have them, and the kits that
included them cost a dollar or so more. Also, I found in decaling a Santa
Fe model that some of the lettering (weight data, built date, class symbol,
etc.) was the wrong size - in the case of the weight data, too large to fit
where it is supposed to go - and some lettering (e.g., "Royal F Brake
Regulator" on the side sills) was omitted. I ended up using bits and
pieces from three different Walthers and Champ decal sets to get the model
completely and correctly lettered. As I have yet to build a PRR or NYC
model, I don't know whether the decals are better for those RRs but it
wouldn't surprise me that there are similar errors/omissions. I suspect
these decals are the same ones F&C provided in their resin kits, and
neither F&C nor Tichy have good track records with regard to decal
lettering. I wonder if Martin Lofton has any extra decal sets for the WE
mill gons that are available for sale?

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

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