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Re: A Bad Day For PRR Boxcar 566640
The Temple Library web viewer has a neat function allowing you to rotate the photo by 90 degrees - handy to view this upside-down car! I don't see markings for ballast - perhaps you are seeing the "BALTIMORE AND OHIO" which would be at the top left of the car. I also see the KY 12 48 indicating its inspection at Keyser, WV shops in Dec 1948. (I believe)
I'd say this is definitely some variant of a covered hopper given the markings, the number (630121) and the unloading apparatus on the bottom. (the four square chutes.) The rivets for the slope sheet is visible on the left. What I don't see, and what is puzzling to me (given my lack of reference material) is that there is no visible riveting for the inner, center slope sheet. The "upside-down V" normally seen on the sides of covered hoppers. Instead there are four rows of rivets along the bottom. There's definitely a visible squared off roof line/top edge, so it's not a wagon top, although the wagon top covered hoppers had very similar numbers. See some of the N-34 prototype photos on Spring Mills Depot's page: http://www.springmillsdepot.com/n-34prototypephotos.htm N-31 630200 builders photo for reference http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo630200ago.jpg Unk class 630874 http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo630874ago.jpg I dunno. Perhaps someone with the B&O freight car diagrams can home in on the class. Too bad the retoucher took so much liberty. :) -- Ben Sullivan Brookeville, MD
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Re: ATSF Mineral Brown
Nelson Moyer
Ed was the color consultant for Tru Color, ergo Tru Color offers both freight car colors.
Nelson Moyer
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On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 6:18 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Mineral Brown
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Re: Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
It’s great to hear the information I was given was incorrect. Thanks, Mark.
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Matt Goodman Columbus, Ohio
On May 28, 2020, at 8:26 PM, mark_landgraf via groups.io <mark_landgraf@...> wrote:
The intellectual property was acquired by Amsted of Chicago. The drawings and microfilm remain in tact and accessible. Mark Landgraf Albany NY
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Freight cars on the workbench
Eric Hansmann
My latest blog post shares updates on a few freight car projects, plus car reweigh details for the 1920s. It's been a busy month on my workbench.
Eric Hansmann
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Re: ATSF Mineral Brown
Ed Hawkins' scan of ATSF paint samples from 1931 and 1945 (PPG) show a 'red shift'
On 5/28/2020 8:15 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
otto kroutil wrote:Tru-scale markets two shades of Santa Fe Mineral Brown, what they call pre and post ‘45 versions, with the latter somewhat more red. Richard Hendrickson’s SFRy. Painting and Lettering Guide by the old SFMO has no such distinction, although it does note Mineral Brown varied from shop to shop over the years somewhat. Was there a change of specs at the end of WWII, or just incidental variations due to regional supplier and manufacturer differences? --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Evangeline Railway
Paul Doggett
John
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Thank you I will pass that on he lives in Louisiana. Paul Doggett
On 29 May 2020, at 04:14, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:
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Re: Evangeline Railway
John Barry
Paul, According the the April 44 list of open and prepaid stations, the Evangaline ran from Belle Chaney through Brian to Greer Louisianna. All three stations were listed as intrastate traffic only. Only Greer had an agent, all freight to Belle Chaney or Brian had to be pre-paid except for that consigned to Gifford-Hill & Co, Inc. which could be billed collect and charges settled with the agent at Greer. I hope that helps your friend. John John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 09:35:00 AM EDT, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:
Hi I know this is a bit of subject but asking for a friend. Where did the Evangeline Railway run to and from? Thank you Paul Doggett England 🏴
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Re: Photo: MC Automobile Boxcar 93033
Todd Sullivan
I think that MC auto boxcar is similar or the same as the Westerfield kits here
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=98_295 Todd Sullivan
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Re: help locating online sratchbuilding supplies
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
The "he" at Des Plaines Hobbies was Ron Sebastian whom we tragically lost late last summer. Is his widow, Susan,, running the store now? Don't know but she has always been as pleasant to work with as Ron always was. Don Valentine
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Re: Photo: MC Automobile Boxcar 93033
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Is that not an Al Westerfield special or is it the next earlier style? Can't recall. Don Valentine
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Re: Seeking Photo Help:
Patrick Wade
On page 157 of McCall’s “Coach, Cabbage & Caboose” this formula from the Cleburne coach shop for mineral brown is 2 quarts, 1 1/2 pints locomotive Dulux Black 1 gallon 1 1/2 pints of Signal Read. Pullman Green 1 quart 1 pint Baltic Blue, 1 quart 1 1/2 pints Area Yellow. No date is given but since the formulas were for rider coaches and driver cabooses it probably pre 1945. Pat Wade Santa Barbara, CA
On May 28, 2020, at 6:08 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:
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Seeking Photo Help:
WILLIAM PARDIE
I am looking for a photo that clearly shows the attachment of the lateral running boards on a Santa Fe Bx36 boxcar. Thanks in advance for any help: Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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Re: Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
mark_landgraf
The intellectual property was acquired by Amsted of Chicago. The drawings and microfilm remain in tact and accessible.
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Re: ATSF Mineral Brown
Tony Thompson
otto kroutil wrote:
Tru-scale markets two shades of Santa Fe Mineral Brown, what they call pre and post ‘45 versions, with the latter somewhat more red. Richard Hendrickson’s SFRy. Painting and Lettering Guide by the old SFMO has no such distinction, although it does note Mineral Brown varied from shop to shop over the years somewhat. Was there a change of specs at the end of WWII, or just incidental variations due to regional supplier and manufacturer differences?Richard did not believe the Santa Fe changed its Mineral Brown color in 1945, though he freely acknowledged that shop applications varied. Tony Thompson tony@...
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ATSF Mineral Brown
Tru-scale markets two shades of Santa Fe Mineral Brown, what they call pre and post ‘45 versions, with the latter somewhat more red. Richard Hendrickson’s SFRy. Painting and Lettering Guide by the old SFMO has no such distinction, although it does note Mineral Brown varied from shop to shop over the years somewhat. Was there a change of specs at the end of WWII, or just incidental variations due to regional supplier and manufacturer differences?
I have some new Intermountain Bx-37’s in the pre-47 slogan/straight map scheme, and I’d like to get the color right. Advice appreciated. Otto K.
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Re: Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Regarding in-plant service, I only saw them with casting sand piled into them. It appeared they were used as shuttles to bring the sand from the plant out to huge mounds of the stuff, where they were unloaded with a fascinatingly decrepit clamshell bucket crane.
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Matt Goodman Columbus, Ohio US
On May 23, 2020, at 4:56 PM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote: Makes sense to me. I can see a number 10 on the car, also. From what I can see in Eric Neubauer’s builder’s listings. Pressed Steel car built six 55 ton cars (perhaps hoppers?) in 1920. Ralston (also in Columbus) built eighteen 70 ton gondolas for BSCCo in 1920 and 12 more in 1930. Pullman Standard tagged along eight 50 ton, 40’6” seven post gondolas numbered 60-67 to an SP&S order lot 5944, as lot 5944A. Apparently these were all in captive in-plant service as there are not ORER records that I could find (quickly) for Buckeye Steel. Steve Hile From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 2:37 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola Steve: Ahh. Now I get it it. Indeed, the history of the Johnstown facility indicates that it was Cambria when this car was built, then briefly Midvale before the Bethlehem acquisition in 1923. So here's the alternative: The BSCCo stencil refers Buckeye Steel Castings Company, who produced a wide array of steel (earlier iron) castings for the railroad industry. It seems this isn't an interchange car as there is no car number. Perhaps it was built by Cambria for Buckeye to custom specs and/or design. It is a 70-ton car, not something I think of as being very common in 1912. That's the best I can come up with in the SWAG department. Best regards. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Schuyler Larrabee
Well, thanks Matt, for the answer. But what a crushing blow to know that all that information is lost to history.
One thing I was interested in was the drawings of the one-piece locomotive frames that Commonwealth made in the steam era. It is my understanding that the technology to make those is lost, and cannot be reproduced today.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Goodman via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 7:05 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Schuyler,
The plant’s environmental manager took the president of the club and I through Buckeye's office building about a year after the facility had been purchased at bankruptcy auction and shortly before it started being dismantled. To her credit, she was concerned that a lot of history would be lost in the rubble and was hoping we could help rescue things of value (either directly or through people we knew).
I asked about specifically about drawings. Buckeye (then Columbus Steel Castings) had would have had some very interesting casting drawings though their and their predecessors work (including locomotive frames and steam era freight car trucks and couplers). Her story was that the winning bidder (a competitor in the industry) had immediately taken possession of the IP (drawings, etc.) and destroyed them, for reasons I don’t quite understand. What a loss.
I picked up some grounds drawings that day, and other materials were later rescued by the local historical society. Again, as far as I know, the really cool stuff went to the the shredder. With luck the “shredder” means some bigwig took them into their personal collection!
Matt Goodman Columbus, Ohio US
On May 23, 2020, at 5:51 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:
Not about the car in the subject line . . .
Were the records of Buckeye (and Columbus Steel Castings) preserved at all? I don’t remember what I was after – might have been for a locomotive driver center - but I once contacted them and they said if I >>REALLY<< needed it, they had the drawings I was interested in at the time, but it would probably take a couple man days to locate them. Was I willing to pay for that?
Ah, nooooo.
But I still wonder if they were preserved.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Goodman via groups.io
The amazing thing was that Columbus Steel Castings (the successor to Buckeye) was the largest steel foundry under one roof in North America in the last couple of decades. Not something you normally associate Columbus with.
My model railroad club, on which I pulled steam era freight cars, was on the grounds (in the old ARMCO executive building) from 1969 until 2016-ish, when we were finally asked to leave, so I’ve long had a soft spot for the facility. Matt Goodman Columbus, Ohio
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Beautiful photo.
It's interesting to note that over the last year, ALL of the Buckeye Steel buildings have been torn down, and the entire property is being cleaned up and will eventually be redeveloped. I moved from Massachusetts to Ohio in 1993 when I was 25, and moved just south of Columbus in 1995 when I bought my house, and after over 20 years of seeing the complex there, busy with all kinds of activity, along with a smell that was a lot like a burning clutch or burning brakes, the property is now vacant and void of all the structures. It looks so "wrong". Kind of sad in a way. A lot of history is now gone.
Tod C Dwyer
Lockbourne/Shadeville Ohio
On Saturday, May 23, 2020, 12:54:21 PM EDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library: https://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/memory/id/71933/rec/2728 This is a very clear photo and can be enlarged quite a bit. My thanks to Bill West on the PRR Group for the link tip. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Schuyler,
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The plant’s environmental manager took the president of the club and I through Buckeye's office building about a year after the facility had been purchased at bankruptcy auction and shortly before it started being dismantled. To her credit, she was concerned that a lot of history would be lost in the rubble and was hoping we could help rescue things of value (either directly or through people we knew). I asked about specifically about drawings. Buckeye (then Columbus Steel Castings) had would have had some very interesting casting drawings though their and their predecessors work (including locomotive frames and steam era freight car trucks and couplers). Her story was that the winning bidder (a competitor in the industry) had immediately taken possession of the IP (drawings, etc.) and destroyed them, for reasons I don’t quite understand. What a loss. I picked up some grounds drawings that day, and other materials were later rescued by the local historical society. Again, as far as I know, the really cool stuff went to the the shredder. With luck the “shredder” means some bigwig took them into their personal collection! Matt Goodman Columbus, Ohio US
On May 23, 2020, at 5:51 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote: Not about the car in the subject line . . . Were the records of Buckeye (and Columbus Steel Castings) preserved at all? I don’t remember what I was after – might have been for a locomotive driver center - but I once contacted them and they said if I >>REALLY<< needed it, they had the drawings I was interested in at the time, but it would probably take a couple man days to locate them. Was I willing to pay for that? Ah, nooooo. But I still wonder if they were preserved. Schuyler From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Goodman via groups.io Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:21 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola The amazing thing was that Columbus Steel Castings (the successor to Buckeye) was the largest steel foundry under one roof in North America in the last couple of decades. Not something you normally associate Columbus with. My model railroad club, on which I pulled steam era freight cars, was on the grounds (in the old ARMCO executive building) from 1969 until 2016-ish, when we were finally asked to leave, so I’ve long had a soft spot for the facility. Matt Goodman Columbus, Ohio Sent from my mobile
Beautiful photo. It's interesting to note that over the last year, ALL of the Buckeye Steel buildings have been torn down, and the entire property is being cleaned up and will eventually be redeveloped. I moved from Massachusetts to Ohio in 1993 when I was 25, and moved just south of Columbus in 1995 when I bought my house, and after over 20 years of seeing the complex there, busy with all kinds of activity, along with a smell that was a lot like a burning clutch or burning brakes, the property is now vacant and void of all the structures. It looks so "wrong". Kind of sad in a way. A lot of history is now gone. Tod C Dwyer Lockbourne/Shadeville Ohio On Saturday, May 23, 2020, 12:54:21 PM EDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote: Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library: https://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/memory/id/71933/rec/2728 This is a very clear photo and can be enlarged quite a bit. My thanks to Bill West on the PRR Group for the link tip. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: ACC problems
Bill Welch
For as long s I can remember I have preferred buying the blister packs with 2-4 small tubes. For the past 5 years or so my preferred brand has been DURO, a Henkel product that comes packaged in fours. They are 0.1 oz. tubes. One will last me 3-4 months and stay good to the end and seems less prone to clogged tips. I was buying it at Home Depot but it seems no longer available there. Back in December when i could not find DURO I bought both DAP and Super Glue which is a Pacer brand—both came two to a blister pack. I threw the DAP away right after I opened it—way too thick. The "Super Glue" has been fine. It comes in .12 oz. tubes. I just used up the first tube so that means it lasted 5 months.
Recently while in Walmart I found my favored DURO so I hope that will continue but at least I have a backup with Super Glue. The bottles may be fine for high volume users but for someone like me that is steadily building one or two kits at a time, the small tubes are best. If one goes bad, toss it and open a fresh one and keep going. Model on Ya'll! Bill Welch
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Re: help locating online sratchbuilding supplies
Richard Townsend
Two suggestions:
1. For plastic parts, try to find Branchline undecorated freight car kits. They're loaded with parts. You can buy parts directly from various manufacturers such as Athearn, Atlas, Tangent, etc. Look at their websites.
2. For wood parts, try Northeastern at https://northeasternscalelumber.com/shop/railroad-car-parts.html Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Sent: Thu, May 28, 2020 11:19 am Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] help locating online sratchbuilding supplies Ray Hutchison asked:
"This has been hit or miss on ebay, and difficult to get things from local hobby shop. I am looking for a good source for both wood and styrene car roofs, sides, ends, and bottom frames. Suggestions much appreciated!" This is casting an extremely wide net. Are you looking for anything specific?
Ben Hom
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