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Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Flat car PRR 474194 with load taken in 1977

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

Note the ROS 3-69 reweigh on this F30A, #474194. That I believe is for ROSEVILLE, CA on the SP (and also PFE), reminding us that even in "the future" a proportion of cars were reweighed off-line.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 3:47 PM
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Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Flat car PRR 474194 with load taken in 1977
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
Hi List Members,
 
Flat car PRR 474194 with load taken in 1977. Altho the photo was taken outside our time constraints, I suspect this flat car was around prior to 1960. It is possible this is a PRR class F30-subclass car.
 
 
Metadata at:
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

Jack Mullen
 

On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 01:47 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
Something piqued my memory, but I can't find a citation, that there was a prewar batch of steel bodied Pfaudler cars, IIRC 40' cars, that had the same roof and formed steel side plate, but a more conventional underframe with structural steel side sills, to which the side sheets were riveted in the same fashion as the X29 and ARA variant.
Dennis, you may be right. I know I've seen photos of the prewar steel Pfaudler cars, but now can only find ones of the later 50 footers. I can't recall pertinent details of the earlier ones, and potentially useful references are packed away. As I said earlier "if my memory serves". So sometimes it doesn't. 
Also, while thinking about the big UTLX/GARX reefers I didn't recall the much shorter early steel Swift reefers in Richard Townsend's message. And these are interesting (thanks very much Richard) because 14991, blt 7-34, has a conventional side sill while 14994, blt 12-34, has the curved sill, and also has transitioned from billboard lettering to a post-ban style.  
This whole family of GACC reefers with related design features would be a good topic for further study and an  in-depth article. 
I wonder what on earth led EJ&E to lease their


three new eBay listings

Clark Propst
 


Re: URTX/Milwaukee Road Reefer General Arrangement Drawings

ROGER HINMAN
 

You are correct that were two generations of the steel Pfauldler cars, but the first generation had both 40’ and 50’ cars

u GPEX 916-942    40’  1937
u GPEX 943-944  50’  1937
u GPEX 945-949   40’  1938

Roger Hinman

On Aug 3, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Dennis Storzek <dennis@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 03:53 PM, Jack Mullen wrote:
Dennis, I agree that there seems to be a shared design here, but perhaps the lineage runs the other way. If my memory serves, all of the steel 50' Pfaudler cars were built postwar. The reefer in question and the similar (phase 2?) near copies built a couple years later were prewar, 1930-40 I think.
Jack,

Something piqued my memory, but I can't find a citation, that there was a prewar batch of steel bodied Pfaudler cars, IIRC 40' cars, that had the same roof and formed steel side plate, but a more conventional underframe with structural steel side sills, to which the side sheets were riveted in the same fashion as the X29 and ARA variant. I suspect the use of the same pressing for a side sill of the high insulated reefers saved a lot of weight, partially making up for the increased weight of the deeper car posts, and also made their attachment easier.

Dennis Storzek 


Re: Flat car PRR 474194 with load taken in 1977

al_brown03
 

Indeed, PRR 474194 was either an F30a and F30h (I don't know how to spot th


Flat car PRR 474194 with load taken in 1977

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Flat car PRR 474194 with load taken in 1977. Altho the photo was taken outside our time constraints, I suspect this flat car was around prior to 1960. It is possible this is a PRR class F30-subclass car.
 
 
Metadata at:
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Info Needed on C&NW Box Cars

Ed Hawkins
 



On Aug 5, 2021, at 1:17 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I'm sure you meant 79250 to 80250

I always thought the ends looked sort of like black paint... :-)

Tim,
Yes, thank you for catching the goof due to clumsy fingers & not taking time to proofread before hitting “send.” 

While virtually all CNW 40’ AAR-type box cars built ca. 11-44 and later did have black car cement on the ends & roof, earlier all-steel box cars built in 1941-1942 & the emergency box cars built in 1943-1944 originally had red ends. The same pattern goes for CMO cars built during the same time period prior to the railroad turning to PS-1 box cars starting in 1948 & extending from 1949 thru 1958.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins


FGEX 18232 trussrod reefer in the 1940s...

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
FGEX 18232 trussrod reefer in the 1940s...
 
 
Metadata at:
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Nice image of IC 15106 40ft ss boxcar...

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Nice image of IC 15106 40ft ss boxcar...
 
 
Metadata at:
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Info Needed on C&NW Box Cars

Tim O'Connor
 


I'm sure you meant 79250 to 80250

I always thought the ends looked sort of like black paint... :-)


On 8/5/2021 1:16 PM, Ed Hawkins wrote:

On Aug 5, 2021, at 5:39 AM, golden1014 via groups.io <golden1014@...> wrote:

I am re-finishing an old model of a C&NW War Emergency box car.  Does anyone have photos of the roof, as delivered?  I'd like to see some photos so I can get the painting right.

John,
CNW had two orders of emergency box cars, built by ACF & Pullman-Standard. Patrick C. Wider authored an article about the various emergency box car designs in RP CYC Volume 19 with a roster on page 43. Builder & in-service photos of the CNW cars are on pages 7-9 along with painting information in the captions. However, the caption on page 7 is in error regarding the roof paint for the ACF lot 2480 cars. 

Copies of the original paint specs are available to review and/or receive a scan of the page(s). Contact the Barriger Library for the ACF bill of materials lot 2480. Contact the Pullman Library for a scan of what Pullman-Standard called a MAP (equivalent to a bill of materials) for lot 5752. The MAP for lot 5752 contains 3 pages of highly-detailed paint information of the paints used and their application. Both organizations charge a fee for services rendered. 

If you aren’t aware, these CNW emergency box cars came with two different types of roofs. The ACF cars (CNW 70250-80250, 501 cars, even numbers) received a Murphy roof & the P-S cars (CNW 77416-78248, 417 cars, even numbers) had a Viking roof. The roofs of both orders received two coats of a special galvanized roof paint. It remains unknown the color of this galvanized roof paint. It seems that recall this being discussed previously on the STMFC. 

On their HO models InterMountain chose to paint the roof a shade of gray. Al Hoffman spotted one of these cars in a color photo of an overhead yard scene. His belief is that the roof color is the same freight car red as the sides & ends. 

Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Info Needed on C&NW Box Cars

Ed Hawkins
 



On Aug 5, 2021, at 5:39 AM, golden1014 via groups.io <golden1014@...> wrote:

I am re-finishing an old model of a C&NW War Emergency box car.  Does anyone have photos of the roof, as delivered?  I'd like to see some photos so I can get the painting right.

John,
CNW had two orders of emergency box cars, built by ACF & Pullman-Standard. Patrick C. Wider authored an article about the various emergency box car designs in RP CYC Volume 19 with a roster on page 43. Builder & in-service photos of the CNW cars are on pages 7-9 along with painting information in the captions. However, the caption on page 7 is in error regarding the roof paint for the ACF lot 2480 cars. 

Copies of the original paint specs are available to review and/or receive a scan of the page(s). Contact the Barriger Library for the ACF bill of materials lot 2480. Contact the Pullman Library for a scan of what Pullman-Standard called a MAP (equivalent to a bill of materials) for lot 5752. The MAP for lot 5752 contains 3 pages of highly-detailed paint information of the paints used and their application. Both organizations charge a fee for services rendered. 

If you aren’t aware, these CNW emergency box cars came with two different types of roofs. The ACF cars (CNW 70250-80250, 501 cars, even numbers) received a Murphy roof & the P-S cars (CNW 77416-78248, 417 cars, even numbers) had a Viking roof. The roofs of both orders received two coats of a special galvanized roof paint. It remains unknown the color of this galvanized roof paint. It seems that recall this being discussed previously on the STMFC. 

On their HO models InterMountain chose to paint the roof a shade of gray. Al Hoffman spotted one of these cars in a color photo of an overhead yard scene. His belief is that the roof color is the same freight car red as the sides & ends. 

Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins



Article: Swift Reefers, Stock Cars & Tank Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Article: Swift Reefers, Stock Cars & Tank Cars

An illustrated article by Martin Lofton from the February 1993 the RailModel Journal:

http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1993_2/

Link loads slowly.

The article begins on Page 26.

Does anyone have something they can add to this material? Context, details, photos?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Info Needed on C&NW Box Cars

O Fenton Wells
 

John, I can't help but Ed Hawkins might have the info you are looking for.
Fenton

On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 6:40 AM golden1014 via groups.io <golden1014=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Gentlemen, 

I am re-finishing an old model of a C&NW War Emergency box car.  Does anyone have photos of the roof, as delivered?  I'd like to see some photos so I can get the painting right.

Thanks for your help!

John Golden
Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany



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Fenton Wells
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910-420-8106
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Info Needed on C&NW Box Cars

golden1014
 

Gentlemen, 

I am re-finishing an old model of a C&NW War Emergency box car.  Does anyone have photos of the roof, as delivered?  I'd like to see some photos so I can get the painting right.

Thanks for your help!

John Golden
Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany

RPM Blog: https://railroadprototypemodeler.wordpress.com/


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Covid

Michael Gross
 

Wishing you a speedy recovery and return to good health, Brian!!!

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA

On Aug 4, 2021, at 1:34 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

The CDC says a positive antigen test is indication of a current, active, infection. So I’ll be staying home for a while.
 
 
Thanks!
--
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Brian Ehni
 
 
From: BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...>
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 2:12 PM
To: "ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io Notification" <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>, "MFCL@groups.io" <MFCL@groups.io>, realSTMFC <realSTMFC@groups.io>, Baby Boomer Freight Car List <bbfcl@groups.io>, Alec Herman <bridgelinedesign@...>, ron christensen <rxensen@...>, "JPREGIER@..." <JPREGIER@...>
Subject: Covid
 
Out of an abundance of caution, I must disclose that starting last Sunday, I began having symptoms: dry cough, sneezing, sore throat. I started self quarantine Monday. According to what I see online, these are indications I may have picked up a COVID reinfection (I was fully vaccinated last May).
 
My antigen test results were positive, but this may be a reflection of having had the vaccine, not a new infection. I am going to try and get the viral test for a new infection.
 
CDC: None of the authorized and recommended COVID-19 vaccines cause you to test positive on viral tests, which are used to see if you have a current infection.
If your body develops an immune response to vaccination, which is the goal, you may test positive on some antibody tests. Antibody tests indicate you had a previous infection and that you may have some level of protection against the virus.
 
So far, my symptoms have bee mild, as noted above. Temperature this morning was 96ºF.
 
So, if you shook hands with me, etc., at the St Louis RPM, please keep an eye out for any symptoms you may exhibit, and take appropriate steps. I am self quarantining and wearing a mask when I have to go out.
 
 
Thanks!
--
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Brian Ehni
 
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Re: ADMIN: Covid

 

Thanks, Jeff. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Aug 4, 2021, at 4:06 PM, Aley, Jeff A <jaley@...> wrote:



Hi Folks,

 

               I think it is reasonable (and responsible) that Brian let us know about his Covid (since he was at a major RPM event).  And I won’t be unhappy if I see well-wishes show up here on the list (though we prefer them to be sent to Brian directly.  But all other messages, medical advice, etc., should be sent to Brian OFF LIST. 

 

Thanks for your cooperation!

 

And Brian, I do hope you recover soon w/ no lasting effects.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff Aley

Deputy Moderator, RealSTMFC

 


ADMIN: Covid

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Folks,

 

               I think it is reasonable (and responsible) that Brian let us know about his Covid (since he was at a major RPM event).  And I won’t be unhappy if I see well-wishes show up here on the list (though we prefer them to be sent to Brian directly.  But all other messages, medical advice, etc., should be sent to Brian OFF LIST. 

 

Thanks for your cooperation!

 

And Brian, I do hope you recover soon w/ no lasting effects.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff Aley

Deputy Moderator, RealSTMFC

 


Re: Covid

Jake Schaible
 

yep... but I didn't mention Vit D.  BTW mage doses long term can mess with your other metals, so be sure to inform you doc on everything you are taking.  Even the "paprika" or whatever your neighbor is giving you.  

-J

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 1:09 PM BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

Thanks. By coincidence, my nephrologist told me to lay off the Vit D, since it was messing with my calcium levels.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jake Schaible <jjschaible@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 2:58 PM
To: <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Covid

 

Still encourage you to get the rtPCR test to confirm.  I'm sure you are in touch (by phone) with your primary, so don't consider this medical advice, but for non rx, as about Zinc and vit B3.  Zn lozenges are a cheap and somewhat effective way to keep your oral cavity ZN+ saturated, rendering ingested or emitted virons less efficient to attach.  Lot of nutter stuff out there with crappy data, but zn does helps at the margin.   Take that from an ol' viral vector bioengineer.  For treatment advice, obviously your doctor.  But tech questions?  drop me a note.  Viruses are kinda my thing.  

 

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 12:44 PM BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

I have most of that. No diarrhea, no loss of smell or taste.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jake Schaible <jjschaible@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 2:38 PM
To: <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Covid

 

be well.  advise you not to go out but rather have tests (and take out) come to you (or in no contact car pick up).  If you share a living space, advise use of quality masks at home (non vented N95 or k95) and separation.  Absolutely sucks.  You might think everyone is already infected, but still viral load is key and you don't want to add insult to injury.  

 

If confirmed positive via rtPCR, you may wish to inform others early symptoms are dry persistent non productive cough, generalize achy muscle pain and fatigue.  Diarrhea in 10-15% -  those who pick up via oral route.  Loss of smell (which in some is more noticeable as taste disturbance) is far more indicative of infection than fever - which is actually rather uncommon and seems associated with a possible coinfection with another virus 

 

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 12:12 PM BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

Out of an abundance of caution, I must disclose that starting last Sunday, I began having symptoms: dry cough, sneezing, sore throat. I started self quarantine Monday. According to what I see online, these are indications I may have picked up a COVID reinfection (I was fully vaccinated last May).

 

My antigen test results were positive, but this may be a reflection of having had the vaccine, not a new infection. I am going to try and get the viral test for a new infection.

 

CDC: None of the authorized and recommended COVID-19 vaccines cause you to test positive on viral tests, which are used to see if you have a current infection.

If your body develops an immune response to vaccination, which is the goal, you may test positive on some antibody tests. Antibody tests indicate you had a previous infection and that you may have some level of protection against the virus.

 

So far, my symptoms have bee mild, as noted above. Temperature this morning was 96ºF.

 

So, if you shook hands with me, etc., at the St Louis RPM, please keep an eye out for any symptoms you may exhibit, and take appropriate steps. I am self quarantining and wearing a mask when I have to go out.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 


Re: Covid

 

Thanks. By coincidence, my nephrologist told me to lay off the Vit D, since it was messing with my calcium levels.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jake Schaible <jjschaible@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 2:58 PM
To: <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Covid

 

Still encourage you to get the rtPCR test to confirm.  I'm sure you are in touch (by phone) with your primary, so don't consider this medical advice, but for non rx, as about Zinc and vit B3.  Zn lozenges are a cheap and somewhat effective way to keep your oral cavity ZN+ saturated, rendering ingested or emitted virons less efficient to attach.  Lot of nutter stuff out there with crappy data, but zn does helps at the margin.   Take that from an ol' viral vector bioengineer.  For treatment advice, obviously your doctor.  But tech questions?  drop me a note.  Viruses are kinda my thing.  

 

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 12:44 PM BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

I have most of that. No diarrhea, no loss of smell or taste.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jake Schaible <jjschaible@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 2:38 PM
To: <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Covid

 

be well.  advise you not to go out but rather have tests (and take out) come to you (or in no contact car pick up).  If you share a living space, advise use of quality masks at home (non vented N95 or k95) and separation.  Absolutely sucks.  You might think everyone is already infected, but still viral load is key and you don't want to add insult to injury.  

 

If confirmed positive via rtPCR, you may wish to inform others early symptoms are dry persistent non productive cough, generalize achy muscle pain and fatigue.  Diarrhea in 10-15% -  those who pick up via oral route.  Loss of smell (which in some is more noticeable as taste disturbance) is far more indicative of infection than fever - which is actually rather uncommon and seems associated with a possible coinfection with another virus 

 

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 12:12 PM BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

Out of an abundance of caution, I must disclose that starting last Sunday, I began having symptoms: dry cough, sneezing, sore throat. I started self quarantine Monday. According to what I see online, these are indications I may have picked up a COVID reinfection (I was fully vaccinated last May).

 

My antigen test results were positive, but this may be a reflection of having had the vaccine, not a new infection. I am going to try and get the viral test for a new infection.

 

CDC: None of the authorized and recommended COVID-19 vaccines cause you to test positive on viral tests, which are used to see if you have a current infection.

If your body develops an immune response to vaccination, which is the goal, you may test positive on some antibody tests. Antibody tests indicate you had a previous infection and that you may have some level of protection against the virus.

 

So far, my symptoms have bee mild, as noted above. Temperature this morning was 96ºF.

 

So, if you shook hands with me, etc., at the St Louis RPM, please keep an eye out for any symptoms you may exhibit, and take appropriate steps. I am self quarantining and wearing a mask when I have to go out.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 


Re: Covid

Jake Schaible
 

Still encourage you to get the rtPCR test to confirm.  I'm sure you are in touch (by phone) with your primary, so don't consider this medical advice, but for non rx, as about Zinc and vit B3.  Zn lozenges are a cheap and somewhat effective way to keep your oral cavity ZN+ saturated, rendering ingested or emitted virons less efficient to attach.  Lot of nutter stuff out there with crappy data, but zn does helps at the margin.   Take that from an ol' viral vector bioengineer.  For treatment advice, obviously your doctor.  But tech questions?  drop me a note.  Viruses are kinda my thing.  



On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 12:44 PM BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

I have most of that. No diarrhea, no loss of smell or taste.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jake Schaible <jjschaible@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 2:38 PM
To: <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Covid

 

be well.  advise you not to go out but rather have tests (and take out) come to you (or in no contact car pick up).  If you share a living space, advise use of quality masks at home (non vented N95 or k95) and separation.  Absolutely sucks.  You might think everyone is already infected, but still viral load is key and you don't want to add insult to injury.  

 

If confirmed positive via rtPCR, you may wish to inform others early symptoms are dry persistent non productive cough, generalize achy muscle pain and fatigue.  Diarrhea in 10-15% -  those who pick up via oral route.  Loss of smell (which in some is more noticeable as taste disturbance) is far more indicative of infection than fever - which is actually rather uncommon and seems associated with a possible coinfection with another virus 

 

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 12:12 PM BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

Out of an abundance of caution, I must disclose that starting last Sunday, I began having symptoms: dry cough, sneezing, sore throat. I started self quarantine Monday. According to what I see online, these are indications I may have picked up a COVID reinfection (I was fully vaccinated last May).

 

My antigen test results were positive, but this may be a reflection of having had the vaccine, not a new infection. I am going to try and get the viral test for a new infection.

 

CDC: None of the authorized and recommended COVID-19 vaccines cause you to test positive on viral tests, which are used to see if you have a current infection.

If your body develops an immune response to vaccination, which is the goal, you may test positive on some antibody tests. Antibody tests indicate you had a previous infection and that you may have some level of protection against the virus.

 

So far, my symptoms have bee mild, as noted above. Temperature this morning was 96ºF.

 

So, if you shook hands with me, etc., at the St Louis RPM, please keep an eye out for any symptoms you may exhibit, and take appropriate steps. I am self quarantining and wearing a mask when I have to go out.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

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