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New Decals announced

hubert mask
 




Begin forwarded message:

From: maskisland@...
Date: August 7, 2020 at 10:26:13 PM EDT
To: STMFC@...
Subject: New Decals announced

Mask Island Decals Inc. is pleased to announce three new decal sets released.

KCS and Louisiana & Arkansas . Set provides the KCS and L&A together.

Also released Missouri Pacific early flat cars and panel side gondolas.  These sets are available through my site or through the Missouri Pacific Historical Society.

You may view these Decals on my web site.  Maskislanddecals.com.   Roads listed alphabetically under freight cars.

Thank you!
Mask Island Decals Inc.

Re: Sunshine Kits

Benjamin Hom
 

Ken Soroos wrote:
"The last three kits on the list seem to be special Sunshine runs commissioned by RPI.  They are in the same type white boxes as the Sunshine kits and have similar labels.  Note that the last one only is priced at $10.

NGD-FO12    [NEB&W Green Dot - Rensselaer RR Shop]  Boston and Albany        A
                36’ Wood Boxcar  w/ Dreadnaught Ends

NGD-FO25    [NEB&W Green Dot - Rensselaer RR Shop]  Atlantic Coast Line        A
                40’  Victory Gondola  As Built in 1943  w/composite sides
                Includes Decals

NGD        [NEB&W Green Dot - Rensselaer RR Shop]  DL&W  40’ Steel    No Label on Box
                Boxcar  ($10)"

The NEB&W Green Dot kits were done by Funaro, not Sunshine.


Ben Hom

Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Ian Cranstone
 

Interesting fun fact about those UTLX cars – they're actually cars belonging to UTLX's Canadian subsidiary Products Tank Line of Canada, being former Canadian Industries Limited cars built by Canadian Car & Foundry (likely licence-built using AC&F designs), transferred to UTLX reporting marks beginning in 1957. Broadway did a 4-pack of these cars in an earlier run, and also did a four-pack of CILX cars earlier. If you have a close look at the artwork on the Broadway site, you will see CC&F as the builder.

Of course, since the Products Tank Line of Canada's markings were identical to parent UTLX's markings, only the truly picky will worry about them being Canadian cars. It wasn't until after 1962, when the Products Tank Line of Canada became Procor Limited that the Canadian operation took on a visible identity.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...

 


On 2020-08-07 21:05, Ron Merrick wrote:


I don't remember the UTLX black scheme from the first run, but those might be more useful than any of the colorful ones.

Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

mopacfirst
 

Steve:

Thanks for the research on these.  I picked up one of the Ethyl black-band cars before I realized it was too late for me, but I didn't have exact dates.

I don't remember the UTLX black scheme from the first run, but those might be more useful than any of the colorful ones.

Ron Merrick

Sunshine Kits

Ken Soroos
 

Hi Guys -

Our local hobby shop acquired an estate from a very good modeler here in Madison. Among the items available are the Sunshine kits listed below. There is little local interest, so I thought I’d post them here for him as they’ll never be at one of our Prototype Modeler events. All kits are priced at $24 plus (actual) shipping. I glanced in each of the boxes, which all had been previously opened for inspection, but the parts and packing seem to be all there. If you call Chris, you could ask him to check the box(es) you’re interested in to see if everything looks o.k.

The descriptions below indicate what is printed on the labels. The boxes themselves vary in condition. They are all physically fine, but some of the outsides are somewhat stained and/or shop-worn. I’ve tried to indicate the box conditions on a scale from A (best) to F (poorest).

The last three kits on the list seem to be special Sunshine runs commissioned by RPI. They are in the same type white boxes as the Sunshine kits and have similar labels. Note that the last one only is priced at $10.

If interested, call Chris Roosli at Madison Hobby Stop at 608-829-3820 or e-mail chris@....

Ken Soroos

Kit No. Description Box Condition

3.1 Atlantic Coast Line Steel Side Rebuild A-B
USRA Double-Sheathed Boxcar

3.2 Charleston & Western Carolina 8000 Series Steel Side Rebuild C-D

9.7 10’-4” IH Steel USRA Rebuild Santa Fe Bx-__ (number illegible) B-C
Scout Straight Line Map and “Buy War Bonds” Decals

10.6 PRR X-31 Double Door Auto Car A

11.2 EJ&E 7300 Series Steel Rebuild with White Box Herald D

14.2 A.R.T. Reefer Wood Roof Steel Hatches A

15.1 Mather 40’ Reefer Steel Ends Morrell Banner Herald A

18.2 C&O AAR Boxcar w/Deco Ends D

41.1 Milw 1939-40 Rib Boxcar “Hiawatha” Wood Board D

41.3 Milw 1939-40 Rib Boxcar “Hiawatha” Steel Board D

NGD-FO12 [NEB&W Green Dot - Rensselaer RR Shop] Boston and Albany A
36’ Wood Boxcar w/ Dreadnaught Ends

NGD-FO25 [NEB&W Green Dot - Rensselaer RR Shop] Atlantic Coast Line A
40’ Victory Gondola As Built in 1943 w/composite sides
Includes Decals

NGD [NEB&W Green Dot - Rensselaer RR Shop] DL&W 40’ Steel No Label on Box
Boxcar ($10)

Also:

101-1B Pittsburgh Scale Models (resin) Union Pacific y/w A
War Emergency Flatcar ($24)

Chris also has 5 older Westerfield kits for $7 each that you can ask about if interested.

Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

James SANDIFER
 

If I am reading Richard’s article correctly, and looking at the BLI website, I come up with the following dates for the BLI paint schemes.

 

Columbia Southern car paint scheme is good from 1953.

Great Western Dow Chemical is not shown in the article.

Ethyl Corporation Gray w/Black and Yellow Logo paint scheme is good from 1952-1970s

Ethyl Corporation Dark Gray with/Black Band is good from the 1970s onward (Photo in article is 1977).

Hooker As-Delivered Scheme is not as-delivered according to Richard. The as delivered was Black with red stripe down the middle. He does not mention this BLI scheme.

Hooker Billboard scheme is good from end of WWII. In another article and a post on this list he corrected the date to early as April, 1952.

Penn Salt paint scheme is good from “the 50s” with a photo showing 2/55.

Stauffer Chemical photo is not shown in the article.

UTLX paint scheme is not shown in the article.

 

I hope some of our tank car specialist will chime in on these dates.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Helm
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

 

I just found my copy of a September 2004 RMJ article that Richard Hendrickson wrote about the 6000 gallon pressure tank cars used for chlorine and in there he states that the orange and black scheme appeared after WWII, so my earlier statement was clearly off.  He also has a photo of the black and red scheme that Hawkins describes, dated 1938.  

Regards
--
Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA

Re: PFE wood ice reefer underframes

Bill Welch
 

Westerfield also has PFE kits with both types of U/F's.

Bill Welch

Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Tony Thompson
 

Jeff Helm wrote:

I just found my copy of a September 2004 RMJ article that Richard Hendrickson wrote about the 6000 gallon pressure tank cars used for chlorine and in there he states that the orange and black scheme appeared after WWII, so my earlier statement was clearly off.  He also has a photo of the black and red scheme that Hawkins describes, dated 1938.  

      Richard supplied a lot of the prototype information to BLI for their tank cars.

Tony Thompson



Re: Freight car progress

Donald B. Valentine
 

    Train Miniature sill of not look at the brake platform. It looks like some sort of stamped or

cast platform with a curve on the outer edge the is bent downward I presume to give it more

strength as the “shelf brackets” that hold it do not extend to the outer edge.  Perfectly reasonable

design but I don’t recall ever seeing it used before.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: DT&I Postwar AAR Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #2

Donald B. Valentine
 

“Weathering gone wild”?  Frankly I think it looks great Bob. What was the

date the car was built? Wonder if I can squeeze one in.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 

 

Re: PFE wood ice reefer underframes

Steve Summers
 

Not sure if it is correct for your cars, but Westerfield makes a Bettendorf fish belly single I beam underframe for Milwaukee cars, kit 12053.  If it is correct perhaps a call to Andrew Dahm at Westerfield Might yield a couple of underframes.  They are for 43’ boxcars which may be too long for the reefers.  I simply copied it in styrene for a second model.  Picture of the underframe without the details.

On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:

Is there a readily available correct HO plastic alternative to the Tichy underframe? IM says it no longer sells parts. Another 3 D printed part in need of development?
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek

Re: Photo: SFRD Stainless Steel Reefer 13000

Joseph
 

Re: Photo: SFRD Stainless Steel Reefer 13000

Bob Chaparro
 

Keith Jordan, one of the authors of the Santa Fe ice bunker reefer book, commented:

"...the car was never painted in standard colors. The late ca.1963-4 photo we used in the Reefer book shows the car in it’s original stainless steel.

There is the photo of the renumbered car (4150) with the Super Chief slogan side and it appears that the car numbers and some of the data were “patch painted,” which could have been SFRD color or maybe just some aluminum paint as background.

Without digging out the book again, if I remember correctly, the door was replaced early on.

Ed’s model is very nicely done!"

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Block of cars

C J Wyatt
 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 02:47 PM, Dave Nelson wrote:

Anyone know when the term ”Block”, describing a set of cars headed to the same location, came into general use?  Or whether that concept is in use outside of North America?  

 

Dave Nelson


If you go back to early in the 20th Century, you will see more talk about "classification" than "blocking", but there really is not much difference.

Also in Droege Freight Terminals & Trains, you will find mention of a gravity yard built in Germany in 1846, so I think the Europeans understood the concept of classification in the mid-19th Century. Droege talks a lot about classification, but scanning the yard section, I did not see mention of "blocking". However my search was far from comprehensive.

My wild ass guess is that in the USA with the emphasis on fast freight in the 1920s,  "blocking" came in use as a term which the shipping public more easily understood. But like I said ....

If anyone can come up with the first usage of the term blocking, I'd like to know myself, but it probably post-dates the concept of "classification"

Jack Wyatt

Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Jeff Helm
 

I just found my copy of a September 2004 RMJ article that Richard Hendrickson wrote about the 6000 gallon pressure tank cars used for chlorine and in there he states that the orange and black scheme appeared after WWII, so my earlier statement was clearly off.  He also has a photo of the black and red scheme that Hawkins describes, dated 1938.  

Regards
--
Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA

Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Jeff Helm
 

Here’s a post from Ed Hawkins on this list that I kept, regarding painting of ACF built Hooker tanks.  Unfortunately I lost the date reference:

From AC&F bill of materials data, I provide the following information
regarding HOKX cars.

#221-222 built 3-40, lot no. 2030, 4,000 gal. car, ICC 103B. "Vita-Var"
Pliolite Red used on ends and top of casing except center band. Black used
on center band, dome, bottom of casing, underframe, and trucks. White
stencils.

#225-226 built 6-41, lot no. 2218, 8,000 gal. car, ICC 103BW. Same scheme as
above although builder's photo appears to be painted entirely black. I trust
the paint specs to be the way the production cars were painted rather than
the way builder's photos "appear" to be painted.

#638-641, built 12-36, lot no. 1567, 6,000 gal. car, ICC 105A500. Same
scheme as above. Barely visible in the builder's photo is the black center
band. Not much contrast between the black and Pliolite Red colors.

#215, built 10-37, lot no. 1742, 8,000 gal. car, ICC 103B, Same scheme as
above. This bill of materials specified width of center band as 6'-5".

#216, built 4-39, lot no. 1868, 8,000 gal. car, ICC 103B. Same scheme as
above.

There were a few more cars that AC&F built for HOKX, but this is all that
I've researched to date. I have no information regarding what "Pliolite Red"
looks like. Hope this helps.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins

--
Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA

Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Jeff Helm
 

That’s interesting Tony, I’ve been looking for a good timeline on the changes with Hooker paint history.  My information is mostly from photos.  Curious, does the photo you reference have the block lettering or the “billboard” logo for Hooker?

i have seen b&w photos that show a two tone paint scheme with block lettering, but I believe those were red and black from previous threads in the subject on this list.

Thanks
--
Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA

Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Tony Thompson
 

Jeff Helm wrote:

Hooker and PennSalt changed their schemes over the years. The orange and black billboard scheme for Hooker started in late ‘50s and went to mid ‘60s . . .

      I have a photo from the Richard Hendrickson collection of an orange and black Hooker tank (Tacoma) dated 1949. Don't know the paint history otherwise, perhaps someone on the list will.

Tony Thompson



Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Jeff Helm
 

Hooker and PennSalt changed their schemes over the years. The orange and black billboard scheme for Hooker started in late ‘50s and went to mid ‘60s, original as-built in the 30s and 40s was black.  In between there was a dark red and black.  There are photos showing dozens of the Hooker orange and black tanks together in Tacoma and at Niagara Falls.

PennSalt had the brown originally, with the yellow and blue roughly the same time period as Hookers orange and black. More difficult to find photos of those. Not sure how many were painted that way but at least a few.
--
Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA

Re: PFE wood ice reefer underframes

Eric Hansmann
 

Sad to say, but it’s the past tense now. The Resin Car Works Kit 16.0 PFE WP reefers are now out of production. 

The currently available kits are featured on this web page. 

More news will be coming soon. 


Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

On Aug 6, 2020, at 5:17 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:

I see that Resin Car Works is shipping the new Western Pacific PFE kits.  I guess we will have to look closely at the underframes now that w)e have sortp of0 sorted them out.

Bill Pardie



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