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Re: Was there ever a clinic on Delano-based paint and weathering?

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

All I can tell you,Rob, is that all of those slides were taken of the New Haven main line west of New Haven. Wish 
they were sharp enough to be bown up well.

My best, Don Valentine

PS: How's your course on Red China coming along?


Decaling and future

Brian Carlson
 

Seem to be having a strange reaction between my decals, decal setting solution, and the future on the side of the tichy rebuilt boxcar. I painted it a few weeks ago, and then clearcoated it with future a week ago, and I’m now decaling using speedwitch decals. I’m getting areas of discoloration that don’t look like normal air trapped under a decal. It’s like a reaction between the setting solution and future. You can even see a little discoloration between the Herald and data that is not decaled. It’s not happening with every decals. I don’t think I’ve ever seen this before. Has anyone ever experienced this?

Paint was Vallejo, Future is probably 5-10 years old.

My thought is to shoot the other side with gloss again before decaling.

Heavy weathering is in the future (no pun intended) I fear.



Brian J. Carlson


Early 20th Century Freight Cars Photograph

Jim Gates
 

A photo with a lot of early freight cars:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll21/id/9552

Enlarges enough to read many of the numbers.

Jim Gates


Re: FW&D 7231 Accurail kitbash

Craig Wilson
 

Looking forward to seeing this one.  Did you get the Shapeways parts for the complete ends yet?  If so, what is your opinion of them?
Craig Wilson


Re: Car ID just for fun

Clark Propst
 

Always good to hear from you Ben, you give it straight ;  ))

But, I don’t want to be one of those that uses “There’s only an ‘inferior’ model available so therefore I can’t model whatever?”. There’s also the late Stan Rydarowicz’s rule of diminishing returns. Compromise is the order here. I will be using the MDC car, just need to know which roads had cars ‘close’.

As for the C&O rebuilt box car, is there a model available of that?

Clark Propst

 

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Re: National Car Company

Bill Parks
 

Fenton - 

You are correct, National Car was a subsidiary of FGE to service meat packers, and the vast majority of their cars were leased to different packers.  It is my understanding that tracking car numbers is very difficult as NX constantly renumbered (and sometimes re-lettered) cars as they were moved from one lease to the next.  About the only way to be sure is to have photos of a car with the date it was taken.

--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: FW&D 7231 Accurail kitbash

Lester Breuer
 

Robert a Fine build with excellent weathering. 
Lester Breuer


Offered again: HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car resin parts

Andy Carlson
 

Back in October I offered HO castings for a WP 40' single sheathed box car. Originally numbered in the 15001-16000 series, a class of 1000 cars which lasted in interchange until the early 1950s.

These castings had some issues which I considered blems--a nice car can be built with attention paid to the small issues.

I now have one set of parts which can be offered for the price of $45 and I pay shipping to the US.

See my original post copied below for more details.

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Hello-

I have been preparing a return to offering a select few resin HO box cars. The tooling for this HO box car was made over 20 years ago.

I have enough parts for two of these WP box cars.

The buyer will get the following parts for two cars:

2 SS sides
1 plain end
1 end with lumber door
1 roof (Newly re-tooled to correct drawing errors)
Several roof support cross ties
1 under frame
1 set of under frame cross members and cross ties

These sides are from reworked pattern mold box and are straight but with some small flaws, such as an air bubble.

Because of the blems I am reducing the price for this one car.
Purchase the above parts with shipping for $45.00

No paint, decals, trucks brake equipment are included.
I have just the single casting set to be offered.

I accept checks or money orders. With a small fee I accept PayPal.

Contact me at <midcentury@...> of list please for more details.

(I can offer a full set of 1st run parts for $55.)

Thanks,
-Andy





Re: Decals for scale locations and light weights

Doug Polinder
 

Charlie, Portland Car & Foundry has decals for GN scales and repack data:

https://www.myhotrains.com/PDF/140923/02-DECALS1-Standard.pdf?x24143



Doug Polinder
Lowell MI


Re: National Car Company

O Fenton Wells
 

In the steam and transition era I believe the NX cars were owned by the FGEX consortium and was designed to be the meat hauler of the group.  In 1951 a large percentage of their cars were classed as RBM or RSM with meat rails.
Fenton

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 4:12 PM Rupert Gamlen <gamlenz@...> wrote:

I am trying to identify all the cars in the National Car Company which were owned by the CB&Q / BRE. So far I have MNX 1700-2364, starting in 1949, with 2444-2464 being changed to LLNX in 1967. LLNX was allocated to WFE at that time so I don’t know if they were sold, leased or what.

So, did the BRE own any other National cars?

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ




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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


National Car Company

Rupert Gamlen
 

I am trying to identify all the cars in the National Car Company which were owned by the CB&Q / BRE. So far I have MNX 1700-2364, starting in 1949, with 2444-2464 being changed to LLNX in 1967. LLNX was allocated to WFE at that time so I don’t know if they were sold, leased or what.

So, did the BRE own any other National cars?

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ



Re: Was there ever a clinic on Delano-based paint and weathering?

devansprr
 

Thanks Tony,
Dave Evans


Re: Car ID just for fun

O Fenton Wells
 

Another error, SR only bought 300 of these in 53.


On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:55 PM O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Ben, good catch I didn't look at it that closely.  The SR bought 500 of the later ones in the early 50's and never bought anymore.

Fenton

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:52 PM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Clark - are you able to post a higher resolution cropped version of the photo for the last cars?  With higher resolution, they may be within reach.

Rob






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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Car ID just for fun

O Fenton Wells
 

Ben, good catch I didn't look at it that closely.  The SR bought 500 of the later ones in the early 50's and never bought anymore.

Fenton

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:52 PM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Clark - are you able to post a higher resolution cropped version of the photo for the last cars?  With higher resolution, they may be within reach.

Rob






--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Car ID just for fun

Robert kirkham
 

Clark - are you able to post a higher resolution cropped version of the photo for the last cars? With higher resolution, they may be within reach.

Rob


Re: Car ID just for fun

Benjamin Hom
 

Don Burn wrote:
"If that is an AAR 70-ton triple hopper which is my guess, then AT&SF, B&O, CP, L&A, MP, NKP, NYC, P&LE, SAL, SP are some of the roads with that hopper."

It is not - note that the car has the earlier short taper vice the long taper of the later car.


Ben Hom


Re: Car ID just for fun

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst wrote:
"Not sure the road on the door and a half box Boston & Albany maybe?"

I agree with the assessment that this is a Chesapeake & Ohio rebuild.  Boston and Albany did have 1-1/2 door automobile boxcars, but these were double-sheathed boxcars (B&A 56000-56039, Lot 322-B, 40 cars), built 1915, retired 1948.  (Lot 322-B also contained cars built for Big 4, NOR, LE&W, MCRR, NYC, and P&E totaling 989 cars.)
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/lot-322.jpg  


Clark wrote:
"The hopper kind of looks like the one offered by Roundhouse?" and "I've convinced myself the three bay hopper is the MDC car. Now anyone know what RRs had cars like that?"

Fenton Wells replied:
"The 3 bay offset side hopper could be an MDC but I'd opt for the old Stewart, Accurail or Bowser." and "Quite a few. I know SR did but many others did as well."

Fenton, you're incorrect as the Devil is in the details.  Early offset hoppers introduced in the late 1920s featured a shorter taper akin to that seen on contemporary quad hoppers (familiar to HO scale modelers as the much-abused Athearn quad).  The MDC model features the short taper.  These were used by a fairly small number of railroads; DL&W and NYC come to mind.  The cars modeled by the Stewart/Bowser and Accurail models are AAR standard triples introduced at the beginning of WWII and have many users.  See Richard Hendrickson and Ed Hawkins' RMJ articles for more information (linked below):
http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1995_4/ 
http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1995_8/ 
http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1996_5/ 


Back to Clark's photo: I agree that this is one of the early offset triples.  The short taper clearly shows in the photo.  As for railroads, the NYC cars were 2000 cars in Lots 524-H (NYC), 556-H (NYC), 597-H (B&A) and are essentially offset versions of the USRA-design triple hopper.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/lot-597.jpg 
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/b&;a-25144.jpg 
  
Unfortunately, there are no good models of these cars in HO scale.  The MDC model is putrid - the side sill is too deep, the hoppers are too shallow, and it has the incorrect number of side stakes (visible at the top of the car in the offset).  I've entertained cutting up an Athearn quad into a triple, but it's on the long list of things to do.


Ben Hom


Re: Drop end gondola ratchet hand brakes

Matt Smith
 

Resin Car Works has Klasing ratchet handbrakes as a separate item via Shapeways

http://resincarworks.com/decals_parts.htm 
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: FW&D 7231 Accurail kitbash

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Clark!  I’m doing the Ann Arbor kitbash now.  Relying heavily on Rob Adams' article Modern Double Sheathed and Single Sheathed Box Cars of the Ann Arbor Railroad in Ted Culotta’s Prototype Railroad Modelling v.2.  I started my model with separate pieces for the Hutchins ends, but ended up creating masters for the ends on Shapeways.    Too late for my model, but someone else might be able to use them.  I’m fussing with the end ladders now.  Using Yarmouth YMW-306 8 rung ladders, with 15 3/8” rung spacing, cut down to length.    The end ladders have one L section ladder stile and one strap steel stile, so I sliced one of the etched parts on the fold line, leaving only the strip with the etched holes.  Delicate!  And adding the drop grabs - . . . well, things are still touch and go on that model.  


Rob

On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

Very, very nice. I just brought home one of those to do about the same. Haven’t decided on the CB&Q or MKT.
Thanks for sharing your fine model.
Clark Propst
 
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Re: Car ID just for fun

Bruce Smith
 

Clark,

To be precise, it's a single door X31A.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 10:33 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Car ID just for fun
 
It's be nice to know the make up of this train (attached) running on the branch l model.

It's obvious the first car is an X31. I've been told the second is a D&H Seley hopper. I have a Bowser X31 and bought the F&C Seley to build this winter. 
Don't know enough about tank cars to guess which HO company offered that car, if any? Not sure the road on the door and a half box Boston & Albany maybe? The hopper kind of looks like the one offered by Roundhouse? Not sure about the last two box cars. I do have a much larger scan I didn't what to attach I can send to those who are really interested in I Ding the cars.
Thanks all!
Clark Propst

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