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Another slice

Bob Webber
 

I scanned a few more tubes - these are a tad earlier - 1904 - 1919 (retracings after 1916).

I bring this up for a number of reasons.

The thread related to cars of 100,000 lbs capacity - of course, isn't germane in the sense that these are steel UF cars, but interesting for all that given the myriad cars of that or greater Cap.
The brake drawings are really interesting, and unlike some later ones, show the out line of cars
A lot of manufacturer & contractor cars
early ish examples of refrigerator & tanks
Several threads of photos & models vonerge in some of these drawings
(Perhaps not surprisingly) several orders for steel UF only

Interesting how "modern" these cars look, even with the very deep sills.  That they are steel (or steel UF) helps but still interesting.

Caveats:
VERY raw, haven't checked for typos
The data is, again, just what's on the drawings' Data Block & Order Info
RR marks are kept as is in most cases
Some of these drawings were kept in tubes in Montreal when a pipe burst, they have the consistency of a 50 yo dollar bill that's been through the wash every day since it was printed
(Will not have time in the next few days to clean up - when I do, it will be added to the web site version of the spread sheet)

Bob Webber


Montour twin hopper M 8014

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
The Montour twin hopper M 8014 shown closest to the camera in the image linked below has a more-than-slight resemblance to a PRR class GLa hopper - especially the end construction. Does anyone else agree? Was this previously known regarding MONTOUR hoppers?
 
The reweigh date might be 1947, altho it is hard to tell. Note the car is rolling around on archbar trucks - this might be a little uncommon if the reweigh date really is 1947!
 
Is the car stencilled DISCO on the side? If so, does someone know what that indicates?
 
My Dec 1930 ORER does not show this car listed - does anyone know when this hopper was in service?
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: Sunshine B&O M27F

Schleigh Mike
 

Cool, Bob,

I see YOU are the author.  Thanks for the reminder and doing the article.

Mike Schleigh, Grove City, Penna.

On Monday, June 17, 2019, 6:13:47 PM EDT, Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:


Mike --


The M-27f kitbash article is in RMC March 2001


Regards,

Bob Chapman


Re: Sunshine B&O M27F

Scott
 

Does anybody have a copy of the RMC March 2001 article on the kitbash?

Scott McDonald


Re: Sunshine B&O M27F

Chuck Cover
 

Mike and Group,

 

Here are a couple of photos, before dullcote and weathering, of my version of Bob Chapman’s B&O M27F kitbash article in RMC.  Sorry for no finished photos.  It builds into a great model.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

Aley, Jeff A
 

And as the linked article states, these cars were (relatively) BIG.  Denny Anspach has a model of one on his HO layout, and it looks like it’s an Sn3 boxcar!

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 6:14 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

 

Hi Roger and List Members,

 

The photo is likely of car MENASHA 214 which can be seen in RMJ Jul 1989 pg 46. This is available on TRAINLIFE...

 

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Roger Robar

Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 8:17 AM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

 

Somewhere in my files I have a photo of a very similar Menasha car that is a 50’ car.   ……..  Roger Robar

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2019 8:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

 

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote:

Google is your friend….

I think this Wikipedia definition of “treen” that comes up in a search for “woodenware” is likely close to the intent on the car since furniture is clearly intended to be separate:

Charlie, I disagree. Here is all the definition of "woodenware" as it pertains to freightcars that you need. What it has in common with furniture is it won't "nest" so is light in weight for it's volume, necessitating an oversize freightcar. Carriages were another commodity that needed oversize cars, as were automobiles when they came along, and eventually lent their mane to the oversize cars.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Sunshine B&O M27F

Bob Chapman
 

Mike --


The M-27f kitbash article is in RMC March 2001


Regards,

Bob Chapman


Re: Rapido USRA 40-ton Boxcar

Schleigh Mike
 

In the note below, Don Valentine seems to invite finer detail on the demise of B&M USRA DS boxcars in the late 1940s.  Having reviewed archival material at Lowell, Mass., one can get a closer look.  The following numbers come from log books with handwritten entries documenting disposition (and new adds) to the Boston & Maine's rolling stock assets (no locos). For each month listed, the numbers given are the reduction reported for the 70000-70499 series, the USRA cars.  In most cases the cars are being scrapped, sometimes off-road, often at Billerica, but many, along the way, being converted to 'service' purposes, sometimes remaining on their trucks and sometimes becoming the definitive "unretired" boxcar sitting on blocks.  In any case, the car ceased to be an interchanging, revenue earning freight car that month.

B&M USRA Boxcar Removals to Their End  1945-1955
Jan.Feb.Mar.Apr.MayJun.Jul.Aug.Sep.Oct.Nov.Dec.
1945010000001100
1946000101000100
1947001100001000
19480011222341721023734
1949531617213426134152124
19502510417699351
1951001000000002
1952000000000046
1953000001000100
1954000000000010
195500000111Nomore cars

Now some points for clarity.  500 'replacement' PS-1 cars arrived totally in September and October of 1947 yet serious fallout of the USRA cars did not begin for another six months but then, fallout did seriously happen.  Back-summing from 1955 only 19 cars remained after the end of 1950.  Also, I would caution that there could be disagreement with the numbers reported in the ORER simply because the above numbers reflect near 'real time' in the accounting process and the ORER numbers probably are at least out of phase with the above.  Over a couple of months they should work out.

Also, the monthly records are only as good as the information the particular office (perhaps one employee?) received, so, precise accounting to the last car probably should not be expected.  Illustrating this is the car (BM 70423) that fell out in June of 1955.  This happened when it was noticed that "Boxcar unable to locate and no record of movement for five years.  Evidently destroyed and no report rendered."  No doubt this was discovered because starting in June of 1955 the Boston & Maine began a renumbering program that continued over the next 18 months affecting 1300 of the 71000-72999 notable XM-1 SS boxcars of 1929-1930.  The first block of 500 numbers to be issued?  The very same 70000-70499 used for the nearly gone (but barely gasping) USRA cars.

I hope this helps the interested understand the final days of Boston & Maine's USRA DS boxcars.  Given the timing of the arrival of the B&M Minute Man herald and the rapid demise of their USRA cars, it does seem that the Rapido B&M cars have limited applicability to those faithful to modeling TIME as well as DETAILS.  Perhaps Rapido will do future runs that predate the herald change.

Mike Schleigh in steamy wet Grove City, Penna. 


On Wednesday, June 5, 2019, 9:01:47 PM EDT, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


     Well Dave, let's look at the bigger picture. The B&M may have had only 25 USRA double sheathed cars by
1950 but that is because the numbers came down rapidly shortly before that. In July 1946, for example, they
still had 476 of them out of the 500 total. Unfortunately you have not given us the month in 1950 that you refer
to that might also tell us something more. But by April 1947 the number had dropped to 447 indicating the loss
of 29 cars in just nine months.

     An even more important point is the Ertl car. Why set it aside??? As has already been noted, it comes with
an AB brake system and also has a roof that is easily removable as well as individually applied grab irons. This
is more than an Accurail car provides (sorry Dennis) and doe not require the assembly time of a Westerfield car,
two of which I have assembled that don't impress be too much (sorry Andrew as well). The other thing the Ertl
USRA boxcar offers that is too often overlooked is a WORKING DOOR!  No, I'm not suggesting at all that we
return to the day of the clunky Athearn cars with the "claws" at the bottom of their doors but to me an HO scale
boxcar that does not have doors that open is hardly worthy of purchasing. And the Ertl car easily has the most
prototypically thin scale door yet seen on an HO boxcar with the possible exception of Tichy cars. If those
manufacturering such models can't get their act together and give us operating boxcar doors they can at least
mold the damn things separately so they can be attached in an open position or even changed for a different
style. To me a door that is molded onto a boxcar is as big a pain in the ads as one with "claws". There is no
need of what we are being offered being without working doors in this day and age. The Ertl car is easily the
best HO Scale double sheathed car we have ever been offered. It is a shame that it is no longer being offered
but one can pick up all they want on eBay and elsewhere without paying more than $20 each and often lower.
While I have known and appreciated Bill Schneider's efforts very much over the years the lack of operating, or
separate, doors on the Rapido Northern Pacific boxcar left me cold on an otherwise really nice model and it
appears the Rapido USRA car will follow suit.  But with a few over thirty of the Ertl cars I'm not going to shed
tear over it knowing that I can have a better model with a little effort put into the Ertl cars. If Rapido decides to
offer separate underframes that have better detailing and a choice of K or AB brake styles those I might be
interested in but count me out for the cars themselves as I have already told Bill.

Just my two bits worth, Don Valentine


Re: Wilson and Armor Reefers [was Swift 6700 Series]

 

On 6/15/2019 9:02 AM, William Hirt wrote:
How true. I was just doing some research this past week for a friend who is modeling the South Omaha Terminal in 1959. I came across a picture in Bill Kratville's book Railroads of Omaha and Council Bluffs. The 1950 picture shows an elevated timber loading platform on the SOT where the manure from the Omaha Stockyards was loaded into UP drop bottom gondolas to be moved to Avery, Nebraska, for disposal or dispersal. The Omaha Stockyards was handling 45,000 head of livestock a day then, so there was a lot of it. I wrote my friend that just begs to be modeled (without the odor of course!).
Spen Kellog replied:

But think of the realism the smell could add......

Sounds just offal.

Dan Smith


Re: Wilson and Armor Reefers [was Swift 6700 Series]

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

On 6/15/2019 9:02 AM, William Hirt wrote:

How true. I was just doing some research this past week for a friend who is modeling the South Omaha Terminal in 1959. I came across a picture in Bill Kratville's book Railroads of Omaha and Council Bluffs. The 1950 picture shows an elevated timber loading platform on the SOT where the manure from the Omaha Stockyards was loaded into UP drop bottom gondolas to be moved to Avery, Nebraska, for disposal or dispersal. The Omaha Stockyards was handling 45,000 head of livestock a day then, so there was a lot of it. I wrote my friend that just begs to be modeled (without the odor of course!).

But think of the realism the smell could add......

Spen Kellogg


Re: West Virginia University Freight Car Photos

al_brown03
 

SAL 9006 is class A (SAL 9001-9010), a class I've never seen before. Converted in the mid-30s from a composite gondola (it's kinda dark underneath, but that's a fishbelly underframe). Guess I've got a project!

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Sunshine B&O M27F

Dave Lawler
 

Paul,
Excellent model of a very unique prototype. Well done!
Dave Lawler
Avon Lake. Ohio


Re: Sunshine B&O M27F

Tony Thompson
 

Paul Doggett wrote:

I have just finished a Sunshine B&O M27F it is awaiting light weathering.
Very nice looking car, Paul. Great job.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: West Virginia University Freight Car Photos

Tony Thompson
 

Don Valentine wrote:

Interesting. The Morgan's Louisiana & Texas boxcar has a total of six truss rods instead of the usual four.
When one looks at the weight capacity is is obvious why. It is a 100,000 lb. capacity car in an era of
40,000 lb. cars if not less.

   Yes, it's a Canda-design box car. The SP soon de-rated them to 80,000 pounds though they were indeed designed for 100,000 pounds. It was the trucks that proved inadequate.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Sunshine B&O M27F

Paul Doggett
 

Fran

Routes cards a a small piece of paper with biro marks, the chalk marks are decals, champ, microscale and Speedwitch media. Both microscale and Speedwitch are still available.

Paul Doggett 


On 17 Jun 2019, at 18:33, Fran Giacoma <frangiacoma@...> wrote:

Great looking car, Paul. Nice job.
How did you do your route card and the chalk marks?
Thanks.
Fran Giacoma


Re: Sunshine B&O M27F

Paul Doggett
 

Thank you Lester 

Paul Doggett 


On 17 Jun 2019, at 18:10, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

Paul another fine build to add to that growing fleet.
Lester Breuer


Re: Sunshine B&O M27F

Paul Doggett
 

Mike 

Thank you from a very Lancashire England 😁😁😁

Paul Doggett 


On 17 Jun 2019, at 17:08, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:

Nice model, indeed, thanks for sharing, Paul----

The RMC in recent (before White River) times had an article on kit bashing these cars so missing out on Sunshine's offering is no excuse for missing out on this car.  (I didn't find my copy of the article in my boxcar file.)  B&O listed 294 of these in their 1960 Summary.  I remember one on the E-L local serving my boyhood home in Western New York in late 1962.  Very distinctive and noticeable cars in any freight train.

Regards from very wet Grove City, Penna.----Mike Schleigh

On Monday, June 17, 2019, 10:12:30 AM EDT, Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:



Hello guys
I have just finished a Sunshine B&O M27F it is awaiting light weathering.





Paul Doggett.  England ðŸ�´ó �§ó �¢ó �¥ó �®ó �§ó �¿




Re: Sunshine B&O M27F

Fran Giacoma
 

Great looking car, Paul. Nice job.
How did you do your route card and the chalk marks?
Thanks.
Fran Giacoma


Re: Sunshine B&O M27F

Lester Breuer
 

Paul another fine build to add to that growing fleet.
Lester Breuer


Re: New Kadee Ordering Policies

G.J. Irwin
 

I can offer the data point that the "brother" company, Micro-Trains Line, Inc. (MTL) has had a standing order policy for most of its regular runs for, I think, as long as they became independent from Kadee in 1990.  (Keith and Dale Edwards, the "K" and "D" in Kadee, agreed to split the original Kadee into the "new" Kadee for HO and above and Micro-Trains Line for N and Z Scales, with both offering some HOn3 items.  Although I should hardly call a 29 year firm the "new" Kadee, I suppose.) 

It seems like Kadee's standing order policy might resemble Micro-Trains in that specific quantities can be tailored or body styles omitted.  MTL does allow dealers to increase quantities above standing orders if I recall correctly.  Micro-Trains does release product that is not included in standing orders, such as containers and piggyback trailers that are "in the future" for this group.   The standing order policy doesn't apply to pre-orders either.

Cheers,
George Irwin

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