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Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box

mopacfirst
 

Probably the only Mather boxcar I would ever have use for is the MRS car.  I picked up one of the MRS low height cars, which could just barely fit into my timeframe.  The taller one, I'll have to be watching for but its prototype lasted long enough to truly be appropriate for me.  If Anheuser-Busch shipped byproducts of brewing to Kansas for ag use, I'm there.

I think I have enough Proto Mather stock cars for my needs.  I now need to build some of the others so the Mather cars don't unduly dominate the roster.  Same thing was true of gons -- I built enough of the Proto Bethlehem gons that it's taken me years of Tangent gons, and building F&C and Sunshine gons, that the proportions are now finally getting close to right.

Ron Merrick


Re: grab iron ladders

steve_wintner
 

Thanks Paul, I've not thought of that approach. George, very nice technique, thanks to both for sharing.

Steve


Re: grab iron ladders

frograbbit602
 

George I like the stops and will add to my jigs. Thanks for sharing.
Lester Breuer


Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box

Brian Carlson
 

On Apr 30, 2019, at 3:36 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Didn't Sunshine produce two heights of Mather box cars? Or was it the stock cars?



Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box

Tim O'Connor
 

Didn't Sunshine produce two heights of Mather box cars? Or was it the stock cars?

On 4/30/2019 9:00 AM, mopacfirst wrote:
I can see an issue on the height, because from looking at the pictures of car bodies from the Proto kits on eBay, they all look the same even though there were some that were quite a bit taller.  I found another good source in an ad for RY models in O scale, and there the cars are separated by height.  The one I'm thinking of is 7'-8" IH, which seemed to be a common height, but others were as high inside as 10'-3" and the model photos of Proto cars seem to show that they're not.

I found the Hendrickson article from August 2003 and unfortunately there is no table attached, but there the photos also seem to show height differences.

But I thought those were channels (C-sections) on the diagonals, not Z-sections like a "normal" single-sheathed box had.

Ron Merrick
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Model Die Casting 40 ft AAR Boxcar, Model Railroader, October 1959

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chapman wrote:
"The all-metal tag line is interesting, but I'm even more intrigued with the "two hours of fun (shaking the box)" text."

Come to think of it, these would have been shake-the-box compared to an Athearn metal boxcar kit.


Ben Hom


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Model Die Casting 40 ft AAR Boxcar, Model Railroader, October 1959

Bob Chapman
 

Ben --


The all-metal tag line is interesting, but I'm even more intrigued with the "two hours of fun (shaking the box)" text.        :) 


Regards,

Bob Chapman


Re: grab iron ladders

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, George. I like the stop at the end of the jig to square the rungs and stiles, especially for etched rungs. The grab iron legs serve that function when using grab iron rungs.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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In my opinion the .005 brass works OK. Nice thing is that the rungs and stiles all line up and are square. Once the ladder is assembled and mounted it becomes fairly strong and rigid. I use a modified version of your jig as seen on the RCW Blog. I have attached a photo of how I did mine. Kinda of in a hurry this AM when I put this together and did not do a clean shear on the one end. My version of the assembly fixture includes a stop for the flat stile as well as a stop at the top of the fixture that stick up and holds the rung square to the stile. In my sample photos I did not secure with CA , just a mock up for this topic. Also is a photo of a UUM-USA Photo Etch bending tool with a build in bending brake. 
George Toman


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Model Die Casting 40 ft AAR Boxcar, Model Railroader, October 1959

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

This was about the tail end for the all-metal cars, although MDC stuck with cast metal underframes for a long, long time. I think MDC was doing plastic shells on some cars as early as 1958.
Some of MDC's earliest plastic cars were actually rebranded Athearn kits, which (IIRC) included the Athearn 50' gondola sold in the Roundhouse/MDC packaging.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 4/30/19 9:21 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Model Die Casting 40 ft AAR Boxcar ad, Model Railroader, October 1959.  Note the "Metal's Better" tagline.


Ben Hom


Re: this nice shot of the GM&O freight house NKP Boxcar against the freight house

Eric Hansmann
 

A former Wheeling & Lake Erie that mostly followed the 1923 ARA proposed-standard all-steel boxcar design. Interestingly, the underframes followed the 1923 ARA XM-1 standard wood-sheathed design.

 

1000 cars were installed in early 1925.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] this nice shot of the GM&O freight house NKP Boxcar against the freight house

 

The NKP boxcar is the short car against the freight house, fourth from the top.  These pictures are fun to see as they enlarge so easily.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

 

 

Hi List Members,

 

Consider for a moment this nice shot of the GM&O freight house surrounded by steam era freight cars...

 

 

I have a question about how this all works regarding delivery of goods to the customer. Freight cars get parked here, they are unloaded into the freight house by fork lift or hand truck or elbow grease, right? Then what? How does the customer get their goods? Presumably they show up with their company truck (or in earlier days, with their horse-drawn cart) But I don't see any good street access to the building. Is it on the side of the building we cannot see? I'm thinking maybe not, since there are probably tracks there.

 

This is not the first time I've seen freight houses with what appears to be inadequate or non-existent street access. How was this handled? Presumably every inbound carload of items that goes INTO the freight house has to leave as well, and it's not leaving in a freight car, right?

 

Thoughts?

 

Overall, if you omit the large yard in the background, and included only the three tracks in the foreground with the building, a scene like this is very model-genic, and could serve as the focal point of a very nice switching layout or a fun area of activity within a larger layout.

 

Claus Schlund

 

 


Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box

Tony Thompson
 

Big surprise here, folks: proto2000 only made one height of Mather car. 
Tony Thompson 


On Apr 30, 2019, at 6:19 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Mather produced boxcars with a few different interior heights. There were also some 36-foot Mather boxcars rolling around before 1930. Just because it is labeled as a Mather boxcar, stock car, or reefer does not mean they are all the same. They came from the same builder. IIRC, at one point the AC&Y had two series of Mather boxcars with different interior heights.

 

I suspect the Proto2000 models produced by Life-Like followed prototypes for certain time frames. Mather leased these cars and they were reused after leases expired. The cars returned to the Mather shops for repaint and reletter for the new lessee. You will need to consult the ORER for your modeling period to determine where the Mather cars were used.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:00 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Manufacturers Railway Mather box

 

I can see an issue on the height, because from looking at the pictures of car bodies from the Proto kits on eBay, they all look the same even though there were some that were quite a bit taller.  I found another good source in an ad for RY models in O scale, and there the cars are separated by height.  The one I'm thinking of is 7'-8" IH, which seemed to be a common height, but others were as high inside as 10'-3" and the model photos of Proto cars seem to show that they're not.

I found the Hendrickson article from August 2003 and unfortunately there is no table attached, but there the photos also seem to show height differences.

But I thought those were channels (C-sections) on the diagonals, not Z-sections like a "normal" single-sheathed box had.

Ron Merrick

Ron Merrick


this nice shot of the GM&O freight house NKP Boxcar against the freight house

gary laakso
 

The NKP boxcar is the short car against the freight house, fourth from the top.  These pictures are fun to see as they enlarge so easily.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

 

 

Hi List Members,

 

Consider for a moment this nice shot of the GM&O freight house surrounded by steam era freight cars...

 

 

I have a question about how this all works regarding delivery of goods to the customer. Freight cars get parked here, they are unloaded into the freight house by fork lift or hand truck or elbow grease, right? Then what? How does the customer get their goods? Presumably they show up with their company truck (or in earlier days, with their horse-drawn cart) But I don't see any good street access to the building. Is it on the side of the building we cannot see? I'm thinking maybe not, since there are probably tracks there.

 

This is not the first time I've seen freight houses with what appears to be inadequate or non-existent street access. How was this handled? Presumably every inbound carload of items that goes INTO the freight house has to leave as well, and it's not leaving in a freight car, right?

 

Thoughts?

 

Overall, if you omit the large yard in the background, and included only the three tracks in the foreground with the building, a scene like this is very model-genic, and could serve as the focal point of a very nice switching layout or a fun area of activity within a larger layout.

 

Claus Schlund

 

 


Re: this nice shot of the GM&O freight house

Jim Betz
 

  This structure has track on both sides - so I think it is a "transfer house".
  The picture was taken in 1960 - thus the doors of the house are further
apart to accomodate longer cars (50) combined with shorter ones (40).
  Most of the freight moving across this house would have been moved
using fork lifts (1960).
                                                                                          - Jim B.


Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 06:00 AM, mopacfirst wrote:
But I thought those were channels (C-sections) on the diagonals, not Z-sections like a "normal" single-sheathed box had.
Mather was remarkably consistent with the details of their car framing over the years; those channel section diagonals is one of the spotting features. Others were the use of round rod stock for sill steps, and their patented panel roof, which looked for all the world like a series of inverted baking pans.

Dennis Storzek 


Re: this nice shot of the GM&O freight house

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund wrote: 
"I noticed a second example of this at the link below...



Notice how freight cars have great access to both sides of the loading platforms, but there is no good way to get a truck in there."

That's becuase the frieght house isn't designed for trucks to directly load from individual boxcars.  LCL would be unloaded and processed in the freight house, then reconsolidated in other cars for forwarding or loaded onto trucks for local delivery at a dedicated truck platform.

Cars on the center track between platforms would be serviced via bridge plates from cars spotted at the platforms on either side.


Ben Hom


Re: this nice shot of the GM&O freight house

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List members,
 
Thanks everyone who replied, I think I have a better understanding now.
 
I noticed a second example of this at the link below...
 
 
Notice how freight cars have great access to both sides of the loading platforms, but there is no good way to get a truck in there.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

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Subject: this nice shot of the GM&O freight house

Hi List Members,
 
Consider for a moment this nice shot of the GM&O freight house surrounded by steam era freight cars...
 
 
I have a question about how this all works regarding delivery of goods to the customer. Freight cars get parked here, they are unloaded into the freight house by fork lift or hand truck or elbow grease, right? Then what? How does the customer get their goods? Presumably they show up wuth their comapny truck (or in earlier days, with their horse-drawn cart). But I don't see any good street access to the building. Is it on the side of the building we cannot see? I'm thinking maybe not, since there are probably tracks there.
 
This is not the first time I've seen freight houses with what appears to be inadequate or non-existant street access. How was this handled? Presumably every inbound carload of items that goes INTO the freight house has to leave as well, and it's not leaving in a freight car, right?
 
Thoughts?
 
Overall, if you omit the large yard in the background, and included only the three tracks in the foreground with the building, a scene like this is very model-genic, and could serve as the focal point of a very nice switching layout or a fun area of activity within a larger layout.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: this nice shot of the GM&O freight house

William Hirt
 

For those that have been to Kansas City, 12th Street from Downtown into the West Bottoms (where the GM&O freight house was) was and is a double deck viaduct. The photo is looking southwest from the top level of the viaduct. The tracks seen on the southwest side of the freight house did not continue to the west side of the freight house (except for one which was far enough west to allow truck access). Access was from surface level below 12th Street to the west side for trucks etc. The roof seen on the lower left corner of the image is the Frisco freight house. The CB&Q freight house was 3-4 blocks west at 12th and Mulberry Street and the ATSF Freight House at 13th and Hickory Street.

The tracks in the background on the west side of the freight house: GM&O nearest, then SLSF, the KCT, and then the remaining half the tracks belonging to the CB&Q. Prior to the CB&Q building Murray Yard in North Kansas City, this was part of the area of their primary Kansas City yard. I've seen 1948 maps of the area and it's hard to imagine today how much railroad activity was going on in such a small area. The 1951 flood in the West Bottoms changed it all.

Bill Hirt


On 4/29/2019 6:34 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
Consider for a moment this nice shot of the GM&O freight house surrounded by steam era freight cars...
 
 
I have a question about how this all works regarding delivery of goods to the customer. Freight cars get parked here, they are unloaded into the freight house by fork lift or hand truck or elbow grease, right? Then what? How does the customer get their goods? Presumably they show up wuth their comapny truck (or in earlier days, with their horse-drawn cart). But I don't see any good street access to the building. Is it on the side of the building we cannot see? I'm thinking maybe not, since there are probably tracks there.
 
This is not the first time I've seen freight houses with what appears to be inadequate or non-existant street access. How was this handled? Presumably every inbound carload of items that goes INTO the freight house has to leave as well, and it's not leaving in a freight car, right?
 


Re: grab iron ladders

gtws00
 

In my opinion the .005 brass works OK. Nice thing is that the rungs and stiles all line up and are square. Once the ladder is assembled and mounted it becomes fairly strong and rigid. I use a modified version of your jig as seen on the RCW Blog. I have attached a photo of how I did mine. Kinda of in a hurry this AM when I put this together and did not do a clean shear on the one end. My version of the assembly fixture includes a stop for the flat stile as well as a stop at the top of the fixture that stick up and holds the rung square to the stile. In my sample photos I did not secure with CA , just a mock up for this topic. Also is a photo of a UUM-USA Photo Etch bending tool with a build in bending brake. 
George Toman


Throwback Tuesday: Model Die Casting 40 ft AAR Boxcar, Model Railroader, October 1959

Benjamin Hom
 

Model Die Casting 40 ft AAR Boxcar ad, Model Railroader, October 1959.  Note the "Metal's Better" tagline.


Ben Hom


Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box

Eric Hansmann
 

Mather produced boxcars with a few different interior heights. There were also some 36-foot Mather boxcars rolling around before 1930. Just because it is labeled as a Mather boxcar, stock car, or reefer does not mean they are all the same. They came from the same builder. IIRC, at one point the AC&Y had two series of Mather boxcars with different interior heights.

 

I suspect the Proto2000 models produced by Life-Like followed prototypes for certain time frames. Mather leased these cars and they were reused after leases expired. The cars returned to the Mather shops for repaint and reletter for the new lessee. You will need to consult the ORER for your modeling period to determine where the Mather cars were used.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:00 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Manufacturers Railway Mather box

 

I can see an issue on the height, because from looking at the pictures of car bodies from the Proto kits on eBay, they all look the same even though there were some that were quite a bit taller.  I found another good source in an ad for RY models in O scale, and there the cars are separated by height.  The one I'm thinking of is 7'-8" IH, which seemed to be a common height, but others were as high inside as 10'-3" and the model photos of Proto cars seem to show that they're not.

I found the Hendrickson article from August 2003 and unfortunately there is no table attached, but there the photos also seem to show height differences.

But I thought those were channels (C-sections) on the diagonals, not Z-sections like a "normal" single-sheathed box had.

Ron Merrick

Ron Merrick

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