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Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box

Eric Hansmann
 

Mather produced boxcars with a few different interior heights. There were also some 36-foot Mather boxcars rolling around before 1930. Just because it is labeled as a Mather boxcar, stock car, or reefer does not mean they are all the same. They came from the same builder. IIRC, at one point the AC&Y had two series of Mather boxcars with different interior heights.

 

I suspect the Proto2000 models produced by Life-Like followed prototypes for certain time frames. Mather leased these cars and they were reused after leases expired. The cars returned to the Mather shops for repaint and reletter for the new lessee. You will need to consult the ORER for your modeling period to determine where the Mather cars were used.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:00 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Manufacturers Railway Mather box

 

I can see an issue on the height, because from looking at the pictures of car bodies from the Proto kits on eBay, they all look the same even though there were some that were quite a bit taller.  I found another good source in an ad for RY models in O scale, and there the cars are separated by height.  The one I'm thinking of is 7'-8" IH, which seemed to be a common height, but others were as high inside as 10'-3" and the model photos of Proto cars seem to show that they're not.

I found the Hendrickson article from August 2003 and unfortunately there is no table attached, but there the photos also seem to show height differences.

But I thought those were channels (C-sections) on the diagonals, not Z-sections like a "normal" single-sheathed box had.

Ron Merrick

Ron Merrick


Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box

mopacfirst
 

I can see an issue on the height, because from looking at the pictures of car bodies from the Proto kits on eBay, they all look the same even though there were some that were quite a bit taller.  I found another good source in an ad for RY models in O scale, and there the cars are separated by height.  The one I'm thinking of is 7'-8" IH, which seemed to be a common height, but others were as high inside as 10'-3" and the model photos of Proto cars seem to show that they're not.

I found the Hendrickson article from August 2003 and unfortunately there is no table attached, but there the photos also seem to show height differences.

But I thought those were channels (C-sections) on the diagonals, not Z-sections like a "normal" single-sheathed box had.

Ron Merrick

Ron Merrick


Re: this nice shot of the GM&O freight house

william darnaby
 

Interesting shot indeed.  In the lower right corner of the photo there is a Monon High Speed Merchandise Service boxcar.  I had no idea they got so far off line.

 

Bill Darnaby

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 6:34 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] this nice shot of the GM&O freight house

 

Hi List Members,

 

Consider for a moment this nice shot of the GM&O freight house surrounded by steam era freight cars...

 

 

I have a question about how this all works regarding delivery of goods to the customer. Freight cars get parked here, they are unloaded into the freight house by fork lift or hand truck or elbow grease, right? Then what? How does the customer get their goods? Presumably they show up wuth their comapny truck (or in earlier days, with their horse-drawn cart) But I don't see any good street access to the building. Is it on the side of the building we cannot see? I'm thinking maybe not, since there are probably tracks there.

 

This is not the first time I've seen freight houses with what appears to be inadequate or non-existant street access. How was this handled? Presumably every inbound carload of items that goes INTO the freight house has to leave as well, and it's not leaving in a freight car, right?

 

Thoughts?

 

Overall, if you omit the large yard in the background, and included only the three tracks in the foreground with the building, a scene like this is very model-genic, and could serve as the focal point of a very nice switching layout or a fun area of activity within a larger layout.

 

Claus Schlund

 

 


Re: NJI&I Boxcar

Peter Hall
 

Thank you!

Thanks
Pete

On Apr 29, 2019, at 5:47 PM, Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:

Peter,

I don't know the answer to your question, but it would be quite a while. Each of the two cars chained to the floor would have to be unchained, then worked out with a swiveling jack. Then the two cars in the diagonal racks would be lowered, unchained, and likewise worked out the door with the jack. How long might depend on how many men there were to do tasks simultaneously, but I would expect at least an hour or more per boxcar.

The car in question is a apparently in a parts pool, so the above does not apply. If "GM-1" is correct as was suggested, then it probably means "General Motors pool #1". Likely it had racks for some sort of sub-assemblies, say frames, motors, transmissions, body stampings, etc. The ends on this car mark it as 10' IH. This number does not show in my 1958 ORER, and likely post-dates our period, at least as an NJI&I-lettered car.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 4/29/19 5:03 PM, Peter Hall wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how long would it take to load or unload autos into or out of an automobile box car equipped with auto racks, in the 1945-1950 era?

Thanks
Pete

On Apr 29, 2019, at 12:48 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Either an appliance or automobile parts pool assignment. Usually a good indicator that the
car has special equipment or loading devices - could be as simple as pallets that stayed with
the car. In the auto industry the pool assignment stencils were frequently changed.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/29/2019 4:23 AM, Garth Groff wrote:
Friends,

While skimming through the Ed Wilkommen photos, I noted this view which included an NJI&I boxcar: https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-r5ZmB9k/A . Besides being a rather rare roadname in its own right, I was struck by the initials above the reporting marks. They look like "GN-I" or GH-I". Any comments about what they mean?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff



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Re: CNW gondola underside / L&N coke boxcar

rwitt_2000
 

I caught this one, L&N 30658, in Waukesha, Wisconsin. I believe the City coal gas plant was still active in the early 1960s.

Bob Witt

P.S. It look like my photo is fading away ...


Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box

Chuck Cover
 

The Proto models do not have the Z-braces for the diagonals and I am not sure that they accurately model the correct height.  Buyer beware.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: this nice shot of the GM&O freight house

David Soderblom
 

An interesting detail:  the cars are aligned side to side, but spaced apart, requiring each one to be decoupled.

There would have been good access for carts and trucks on the opposite side. It depends: a transfer house would not have had that because freight was being transferred and forwarded.  A freight house would have a street side for delivery to local customers.




David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@..., 410-338-4543






Re: this nice shot of the GM&O freight house

Tim O'Connor
 


They are very common on the prototype, because they're cheaper to build. But they don't
work for models unless we model in P:48, or P:87, P: whatever


On 4/29/2019 8:46 PM, David Wiggs wrote:
One thing I did notice, is that on the far side of the freight house, the switches have self guarding frogs; no guard rails on them; at least on those closest to the station.  The one on the near side appears to have them.  I've seen the same thing in photos of the old ACL yard in South Rocky Mount, NC.  I wonder how prevalent this phenomenom is?
 
Davo in Orlando


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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: this nice shot of the GM&O freight house

David Wiggs
 

One thing I did notice, is that on the far side of the freight house, the switches have self guarding frogs; no guard rails on them; at least on those closest to the station.  The one on the near side appears to have them.  I've seen the same thing in photos of the old ACL yard in South Rocky Mount, NC.  I wonder how prevalent this phenomenom is?
 
Davo in Orlando


Re: this nice shot of the GM&O freight house

 

Claus,

Responses from others in the group have accounted for access, but it also might be that this was an LCL transfer facility; goods being moved between rail cars only with no need for access from the street.  There was such a place in the small Indiana junction town I model.  LCL shipments were moved between cars spotted at a roofed platform, with tracks on both sides.  The only access to this place was for pedestrians to enter the office at one end.  The attached photo shows the transfer platform on the left, freight house roof over the cars on the right.  Packages from mail order retailers like Sears/Roebuck would arrive in rail cars at this location and be distributed to cars for Atlanta, Birmingham, Charlotte, Louisville etc. There was also an adjacent freight house that was completely separate for originating and arriving local shipments.  

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: CNW gondola underside / L&N coke boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


My Dad just caught the corner of this one in Pueblo, Colorado :-)



On 4/29/2019 8:11 PM, Steven D Johnson wrote:

From L&N series 30550-30699, modified by L&N’s South Louisville Shops in 1958-1959 from former NC&StL XM30 class boxcars (NC&StL series 18000-18499, built by Pullman-Standard in 1937). 

 

See four attached photos of cars from that series.  See page 80, top photo, in the L&N Color Guide, Volume One (Morning Sun Books) for a photo of #30633, which has coke loaded in the ends and a small pile of old tires in the center section! 

 

Steve Johnson

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 1:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] CNW gondola underside

 


L&N coke box car. The L&N rebuilt a variety of cars for coke service. My Dad photographed
one in Pueblo Colorado (CF&I Steel) in the late 1960's. They probably also made it to Provo,
to the USS Geneva works. Met coal & coke from east of the Mississippi was a common sight in
Colorado, even to the very end of steel making in Colorado.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/29/2019 1:26 PM, Brian Termunde via Groups.Io wrote:

Some nice stuff on the site. You can click on the "X" in the upper right to get to thumbnails of the photos.

 

In doing so, I came across one car and I was wondering if it is the prototype of Walthers "Jailbox" car?

 

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-6Mf2Vm5/A

And Thanks for sharing the link Gary!

 

Take Care,

 

Brian R. Termunde

Midvale, Utah

 


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Sterling, Massachusetts

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Re: Cornel University collection

David Soderblom
 

More than track work, that is a scene worth modeling: mud, uneven ties, ruts, grunge between the rails, ...

David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@stsci.edu, 410-338-4543


Re: this nice shot of the GM&O freight house

Tim O'Connor
 


Hub, and Spoke.

Some freight houses dealt largely with interline sorting, as well as
local (more or less random destinations) sorting for further destinations.


On 4/29/2019 7:34 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
Consider for a moment this nice shot of the GM&O freight house surrounded by steam era freight cars...
 
 
I have a question about how this all works regarding delivery of goods to the customer. Freight cars get parked here, they are unloaded into the freight house by fork lift or hand truck or elbow grease, right? Then what? How does the customer get their goods? Presumably they show up wuth their comapny truck (or in earlier days, with their horse-drawn cart). But I don't see any good street access to the building. Is it on the side of the building we cannot see? I'm thinking maybe not, since there are probably tracks there.
 
This is not the first time I've seen freight houses with what appears to be inadequate or non-existant street access. How was this handled? Presumably every inbound carload of items that goes INTO the freight house has to leave as well, and it's not leaving in a freight car, right?
 
Thoughts?
 
Overall, if you omit the large yard in the background, and included only the three tracks in the foreground with the building, a scene like this is very model-genic, and could serve as the focal point of a very nice switching layout or a fun area of activity within a larger layout.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Freight Car Guru

WILLIAM PARDIE
 





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Has anyone stepped up to be the Union Pacific Freight Car Guru since Terry Metcalf left us?  It has been quite a while but he certainly bought a lot of knowledge and passion to the table.

Biil Pardie


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Re: Freight Car Guru

Tim O'Connor
 


Dick Harley is my go-to guy for UP freight cars. :-)


On 4/29/2019 8:03 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

Has anyone stepped up to be the Union Pacific Freight Car Guru since Terry Metcalf left us?  It has been quite a while but he certainly bought a lot of knowledge and passion to the table.

Biil Pardie


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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Cornel University collection

Tim O'Connor
 


we had a switch like that on the NVRRA club layout, semi-gantlet style, made that way to put
the throw rod outside of a tunnel. in the case of the photo, to move the throw rod past the
road way.


On 4/29/2019 6:17 PM, James SANDIFER wrote:

Interesting piece of trackwork.

https://digital.library.cornell.edu/catalog/ss:20864642

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Nelson
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 2:56 PM
To: STMFC <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Cornel University collection

 

1655 photographs from the US Presidents railroad commission, all in 1960 (I’m assume 1960 inclusive is out cutoff date). All subjects, incl. freight cars.

 

https://digital.library.cornell.edu/?f%5Bcollection_tesim%5D%5B%5D=U.S.+President%27s+Railroad+Commission+Photographs

 

Enjoy.

 

Dave Nelson

 



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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: grab iron ladders

Nelson Moyer
 

Are the sheared stiles stiff enough to be stable without the L-channel for support? Also, how did you install the rungs without the L in a jig?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Clark,
On one car I used Pierre's Brass Stiles and bent the outer end as the usual 90 degree L in a Photo Etch Tool. On the inside one I clamped the hole side into a PETool and bent the side without the hole a few times to shear it off. Clean up with a file if needed and you have nice flat piece of brass stock with holes to match the other side.

George Toman


Re: Cornel University collection

Matt Smith
 

Great shot of freight cars but many more contextual pictures of freight yards, siding, grade crossings etc. Very valuable for modeling even if the subject is not your "home" road.  Thanks for sharing the direct link!
 
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: grab iron ladders

Nelson Moyer
 

While the partial stiles worked well with 0.010 x 0.020 in. styrene, I don’t think they are strong enough for a full length stile. 0.040 in. is too wide (3.5 in.), but  0.030 might be acceptable (2 5/8 in.), but to get that width, you would have to split 0.060 in. strip in half. 0.015 in. thickness should be OK, but it’s only 1 ¼ in. thick, and the difference between 1 and 1 ¼ in. in HO scale is infinitesimal. 0.010 in. is 7/8 in. in HO scale.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 4:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] grab iron ladders

 

This raises the question, how much can you cheat on material dimensions where scale dimensions are too fragile in modeling  practice? There must be a happy medium between Athearn blue box sill steps and scale fidelity.

 Nelson Moyer

Yes, that's my dilemma. I'm not going to use any styrene strip as thin as .010 or 1 scale inch.But, .020" seems too thick to me. I'm thinking .015x.040? I don't have that size, but will be hitting a HS that does in a couple weeks.


Re: CNW gondola underside / L&N coke boxcar

Steven D Johnson
 

From L&N series 30550-30699, modified by L&N’s South Louisville Shops in 1958-1959 from former NC&StL XM30 class boxcars (NC&StL series 18000-18499, built by Pullman-Standard in 1937). 

 

See four attached photos of cars from that series.  See page 80, top photo, in the L&N Color Guide, Volume One (Morning Sun Books) for a photo of #30633, which has coke loaded in the ends and a small pile of old tires in the center section! 

 

Steve Johnson

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 1:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] CNW gondola underside

 


L&N coke box car. The L&N rebuilt a variety of cars for coke service. My Dad photographed
one in Pueblo Colorado (CF&I Steel) in the late 1960's. They probably also made it to Provo,
to the USS Geneva works. Met coal & coke from east of the Mississippi was a common sight in
Colorado, even to the very end of steel making in Colorado.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/29/2019 1:26 PM, Brian Termunde via Groups.Io wrote:

Some nice stuff on the site. You can click on the "X" in the upper right to get to thumbnails of the photos.

 

In doing so, I came across one car and I was wondering if it is the prototype of Walthers "Jailbox" car?

 

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-6Mf2Vm5/A

And Thanks for sharing the link Gary!

 

Take Care,

 

Brian R. Termunde

Midvale, Utah

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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