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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Coil steel loads

William Canelos
 

Thanks Tim & Elden,

Elden, how do you cut the aluminum cans??


Re: USRA rejects

Benjamin Hom
 

Ron Merrick asked:
"Since we've been talking about the earlier part of the steam era, I've noted references in various places about the assignment of USRA car types and how 'some roads refused to accept them'.

Is there a good reference that discusses the cars that weren't accepted, and the reasons the assigned railroads gave?"

Go back to the James E. Lane's definitive article on these cars, published in Railroad and Locomotive Historical Society's "Railroad History" No. 128.  It includes a table of the original allocations and a short narrative explaining why railroads refused to accept cars.


Ben Hom  


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] USRA rejects

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ron;

I've read some PRR correspondence in which they discuss the perceived or observed inadequacies of the USRA design, X26 class, which include: underframe, roof (they did replace these in the 30's with Hutchins roofs), sheathing, truss configuration and design (they did reinforce the lower end of some trusses along the way), brakes, IIRC. They eliminated most of these in the rebuilds to X26C, and re-used the components they were satisfied with, that included u/f components, ends, replacement AB components.

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] USRA rejects

Since we've been talking about the earlier part of the steam era, I've noted references in various places about the assignment of USRA car types and how 'some roads refused to accept them'.

Is there a good reference that discusses the cars that weren't accepted, and the reasons the assigned railroads gave? Was it cost, or perceived lack of demand? Technical issues on the part of mechanical officers, or just 'the principle of the thing'?

Ron Merrick


Whiskey in a Boxcar

Bill Welch
 

These photos from that UK Archive have been discussed before and yes same car with "3" changed to "8."

Car is a XM-1 design with three lever brake system.

Bill Welch


USRA rejects

mopacfirst
 

Since we've been talking about the earlier part of the steam era, I've noted references in various places about the assignment of USRA car types and how 'some roads refused to accept them'.

Is there a good reference that discusses the cars that weren't accepted, and the reasons the assigned railroads gave?  Was it cost, or perceived lack of demand?  Technical issues on the part of mechanical officers, or just 'the principle of the thing'?

Ron Merrick


Re: Univ of KY Digital Archives

Jack Mullen
 

On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 04:39 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
look how liquor was shipped in a box car!
All cardboard and no liquor. Must be one of the dry counties in Kentucky. ;^)

Jack Mullen


Re: CNW 50' oddball

Clark Propst
 

Bruce, I told him about using foil and Archer rivets. He used what he had...Now he know's better. Kind of a shame he his finish work is very nice.
CW Propst


Re: CNW 50' oddball

radiodial868
 

The rivet decal backing won't show with a little weathering. I think that looks fine.  As for the lower patch belt. Ouch...

Tim's idea about the mylar sheet is a good one. Right amount of flex and stiffness and thickness.  

Yep, experience comes through the skin.  I've salvaged worse! (many times unfortunately) Throw that bad boy in some Simple Green and take another whack at it!

RJ Dial


Re: Univ of KY archives

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 6/12/2019 7:23 PM, rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io wrote:
I searched using "railroad car"

Found this one.

    I find the way the rod is held in the stake pocket interesting.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Photo: Union Tank Line 6564

rwitt_2000
 

David,

Many of the professional/studio photographers took these railroad photos for damage claims.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: Univ of KY archives

rwitt_2000
 


Photo: Union Tank Line 6564

David
 

It appears that one of the bands on the tank body has come loose.
No, that's a handhold for climbing onto the top of the tank body. You can barely see a foothold further down on the strap.

David Thompson


Re: Photo: Union Tank Line 6564

Don Burn
 

New Orleans Great Northern see http://www.msrailroads.com/NOGN.htm

Don Burn

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Union Tank Line 6564

The heck with the tank car, Bob. How about the neat Rutand 34 ft. boxcar ahead of it? I've seen documentation of these in the car accountant's book but this it the first photo to turn up. Look also at the cattle car ahead of the Rutland boxcar. I make

the reporting marks out to be NOGN but have no idea what road the miht be. New Orleans and something possibly? I's like to see that herald on the far end of the car more clearly. It looks like a new one not seen before as well.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: Photo: Union Tank Line 6564

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

    The heck with the tank car, Bob. How about the neat Rutand 34 ft. boxcar ahead of it? I've seen documentation of these in
the car accountant's book but this it the first photo to turn up. Look also at the cattle car ahead of the Rutland boxcar. I make
the reporting marks out to be NOGN but have no idea what road the miht be. New Orleans and something possibly? I's like
to see that herald on the far end of the car more clearly. It looks like a new one not seen before as well.

My best, Don Valentine


Photo: Union Tank Line 6564

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Union Tank Line 6564

A photo from the University of Kentucky Library Archives:

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7sf7664q86_6013_1?q=train&f%5Bformat%5D%5B%5D=images&offset=320&per_page=20

It appears that one of the bands on the tank body has come loose.

There are several other freight cars pictured but with less detail.

The photo can be enlarged quite a bit and the details brought out with a photo editing program.
A tip of the hat to Tim O'Connor for publishing an original link to the archives.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Univ of KY Digital Archives

Charles Peck
 

It looks like cardboard for recycling to me.  Perhaps part of the WW II war effort?
Chuck Peck

On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 7:40 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Before cushion underframes and DF belt rails - look how liquor was shipped in a box car!

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7z348gg90h_5_365?q=freight+car&offset=300&per_page=100

Tim O'



On 6/12/2019 4:47 PM, Bill Welch wrote:

Here is link for L&N gon: https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/?q=gondola

There are several photos. This is actually one of one thousand USRA copies purchased by the L&N. The clues are the cast side frame trucks instead of Andrews and their lack of diagonal braces on the end panels. Easily modeled with the very fines InterMountain kit. Attached is a photo of models of both original and copy.

Bill Welch

Attachments:


Re: Univ of KY archives

Tim O'Connor
 

billboard advertising on an NWX reefer, freshly applied in 1932

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt702v2c8t1s_1086_1?q=freight+car&offset=500&per_page=100


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Univ of KY Digital Archives

Tim O'Connor
 


Before cushion underframes and DF belt rails - look how liquor was shipped in a box car!

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7z348gg90h_5_365?q=freight+car&offset=300&per_page=100

Tim O'



On 6/12/2019 4:47 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
Here is link for L&N gon: https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/?q=gondola

There are several photos. This is actually one of one thousand USRA copies purchased by the L&N. The clues are the cast side frame trucks instead of Andrews and their lack of diagonal braces on the end panels. Easily modeled with the very fines InterMountain kit. Attached is a photo of models of both original and copy.

Bill Welch

Attachments:

_._,_._,_

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: CNW 50' oddball

Tim O'Connor
 


And other materials, when .005 styrene is too thick...

All of these can be cut with scissors or a rotary cutter:

1. mylar
2. plastic tape from a thermal label maker (prints onto the plastic tape) -
   it's very thin, takes paint, has a sticky backing
3. HVAC aluminum foil (thicker than kitchen foil, has a sticky backing)

Tim O'Connor





 6/12/2019 6:34 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:

Clark,


Suggest to your friend to use bare metal foil or a similar product for the side patch panels. We PRR modelers have a lot of experience with those 😉


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 5:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] CNW 50' oddball
 
You may remember few weeks ago a friend wanted to do a model of a box car assigned to one of the cement plants in Mason City ia. He found a P2K kit, I had a couple Des Plaines Viking roofs. A couple weeks later here’s the model. He’s not happy with it. He used to thick of styrene for the lower side patches which be placed too high on the sides. I gave him some styrene strip to hopefully fill the gap. We’ll see? He also used rivets from Micro Mark he got from another friend. They are way too thick leaving a noticeable ‘seam’ behind them. We don’t learn unless we build. He said he’s up to try again with with another kit....
CW Propst


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: CNW 50' oddball

Brian Carlson
 

I do love the door though!

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jun 12, 2019, at 6:12 PM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

You may remember few weeks ago a friend wanted to do a model of a box car assigned to one of the cement plants in Mason City ia. He found a P2K kit, I had a couple Des Plaines Viking roofs. A couple weeks later here’s the model. He’s not happy with it. He used to thick of styrene for the lower side patches which be placed too high on the sides. I gave him some styrene strip to hopefully fill the gap. We’ll see? He also used rivets from Micro Mark he got from another friend. They are way too thick leaving a noticeable ‘seam’ behind them. We don’t learn unless we build. He said he’s up to try again with with another kit....
CW Propst
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