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Re: WP HO Car List

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

YEAH!  Now all I have to do is to figure out how to access "files",

Technologically Challenged:

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Date: 4/1/19 2:43 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] WP HO Car List

Friends,

Thank you all for your input to my Western Pacific HO Car List. Thanks to the help so many of you offered, version 5 is now complete with nearly all the changes suggested. I will post it to the files section of our web site in a day or two. This all I will do with it for now, but in a year or so I may do another update.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Re: WP HO Car List

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

YEAH!  Now all I have to do is to figure out how to access "files",

Technologically Challenged:

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Date: 4/1/19 2:43 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] WP HO Car List

Friends,

Thank you all for your input to my Western Pacific HO Car List. Thanks to the help so many of you offered, version 5 is now complete with nearly all the changes suggested. I will post it to the files section of our web site in a day or two. This all I will do with it for now, but in a year or so I may do another update.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Re: Gondola Load

mopacfirst
 

Gratefully accepted.

RG7


WP HO Car List

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

Thank you all for your input to my Western Pacific HO Car List. Thanks to the help so many of you offered, version 5 is now complete with nearly all the changes suggested. I will post it to the files section of our web site in a day or two. This all I will do with it for now, but in a year or so I may do another update.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Re: Gondola Load

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Ron,

You need a copy of my WP list. The one attached is the final version for now, with quite a few changes from the one I sent last week.

Yours Aye,


Garth

On 4/1/19 7:21 PM, mopacfirst wrote:
Yes, sorry for the confusion.  I should have known that a 1945-built car wouldn't have been the same as the prototype of the Branchline car.

The car I'm thinking of doesn't show up today so it must be in storage.  But I did find a different Branchline car, factory numbered 20558, in a repaint scheme (the Western way with large initials) with a shop date of 1961.  I believe this is the same series of car.

I need to find that other one and weather it a little more, to represent a 1960-era condition.

Ron Merrick


Re: Gondola Load

mopacfirst
 

Yes, sorry for the confusion.  I should have known that a 1945-built car wouldn't have been the same as the prototype of the Branchline car.

The car I'm thinking of doesn't show up today so it must be in storage.  But I did find a different Branchline car, factory numbered 20558, in a repaint scheme (the Western way with large initials) with a shop date of 1961.  I believe this is the same series of car.

I need to find that other one and weather it a little more, to represent a 1960-era condition.

Ron Merrick


Re: Gondola Load

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Ron,

Are you talking about the WP boxcar? I'm not sure a good version has ever been offered lettered WP by anyone (lots of Athearns, but they had the wrong square corners). The most correct model is Intermountain stock number 40899, an undecorated AAR 10' 6" boxcar with 6' doors and 5/5 Dreadnaught W-section ends.

The Branchline car was their stock number 1612, a 1947 car with 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends and a 7' door. Branchline's car came with silver lettering. It should have been white, and this was corrected on the special run Branchline did for the PCR NMRA.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 4/1/19 1:18 PM, mopacfirst wrote:
Is this the Branchline model?  I built one a few years back, but I'm not sure that car is on the layout currently for me to check, and I can't immediately find the old Branchline catalog pages.  I'm not sure Atlas has re-run this car, but the Branchline kits show up all the time on eBay, or at least the ones where the number produced was in excess of the number actually sold or built.  Some less-common kits don't show up very often, but I haven't looked for this one since the one I built is in proportion to the number I needed.  I think I've probably built just about all the ones I really need, having rejected a few that just aren't close enough to be correct for me, but I counted recently and I think I'm over 70 finished ones, just over half of the total number of XM cars in service on my railroad.  I'd probably still buy a few more, especially if I want parts for something.

Ron Merrick


Re: a fun glimpse into the Western Union operation

mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

I don't think these are Western Union cars. In fact, they might not be occupied camp cars at all. No smoke jacks or ventilators visible. They do look like they were originally open-end passenger cars  that had the  end platforms removed and the roofs cut back to match.

To my eyes, they most resemble early D&RGW  camp cars that were built new around 1880. The last example sat on narrow-gauge trucks at Durango for many years. If it still exists, it is more then likely the oldest surviving camp car in the world.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2019 5:08 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] a fun glimpse into the Western Union operation

John and Friends,

I wonder if the two cars to the left of the locomotives in this view are Western Union. They appear to be converted passenger or head end cars. This is Roper Yard on the D&RGW, circa 1947. Not a diesel in sight!

http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/shot%20of%20mo/shotofmoaug02_1.html

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Photo Study: Lackawanna Gondola 67198

Bob Chaparro
 


Re: Gondola Load

mopacfirst
 

Sorry, the replies get separated from the original message by a day or two, but "this" refers to the WP car on the doughnut siding from the B&O photo.

Ron Merrick


Re: Gondola Load

mopacfirst
 

Is this the Branchline model?  I built one a few years back, but I'm not sure that car is on the layout currently for me to check, and I can't immediately find the old Branchline catalog pages.  I'm not sure Atlas has re-run this car, but the Branchline kits show up all the time on eBay, or at least the ones where the number produced was in excess of the number actually sold or built.  Some less-common kits don't show up very often, but I haven't looked for this one since the one I built is in proportion to the number I needed.  I think I've probably built just about all the ones I really need, having rejected a few that just aren't close enough to be correct for me, but I counted recently and I think I'm over 70 finished ones, just over half of the total number of XM cars in service on my railroad.  I'd probably still buy a few more, especially if I want parts for something.

Ron Merrick


Re: reporting marks for the 40ft single sheathed auto box car

anthony wagner
 

My bad it should be 1-1-50 ORER. TW

On Monday, April 1, 2019, 11:52:08 AM CDT, anthony wagner <anycw1@...> wrote:


NJI&I, a subsidiary of the Wabash. poss ibly 3500-3599 1 car in my 1-1-80 ORER. I'd guess its a clone of several thousand WAB cars in various 40000 thru 49000 number series  with 11' or 12' doors as both ordinary XM box cars or XAR auto or XME and XAP auto parts cars. Tony Wagner
On Monday, April 1, 2019, 10:17:05 AM CDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
Any thoughts on the reporting marks for the 40ft single sheathed auto box car shown in ght eimage linked below? The resolution is just not quite good enough...
 
 
Thanks for ideas in advance.
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: reporting marks for the 40ft single sheathed auto box car

anthony wagner
 

NJI&I, a subsidiary of the Wabash. poss ibly 3500-3599 1 car in my 1-1-80 ORER. I'd guess its a clone of several thousand WAB cars in various 40000 thru 49000 number series  with 11' or 12' doors as both ordinary XM box cars or XAR auto or XME and XAP auto parts cars. Tony Wagner

On Monday, April 1, 2019, 10:17:05 AM CDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
Any thoughts on the reporting marks for the 40ft single sheathed auto box car shown in ght eimage linked below? The resolution is just not quite good enough...
 
 
Thanks for ideas in advance.
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Gondola Load

mopacfirst
 

Coming from a fellow piping engineer, I agree the cylindrical section (what I would call a spool piece) and the rectangular section are probably for air or exhaust gas rather than for water.  If there are two symmetrical or identical loads, my guess is that these were a subcontract for something specific in a bigger facility.

Ron Merrick


Re: Gondola Load

Nelson Moyer
 

Boomer Pete is a pen name used by Al Kalmbach in Model Railroader articles. He used to primarily for teaching purposes to encourage prototypical modeling and operation.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2019 9:03 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola Load

 

Some of us have no idea who Boomer Pete is/was. Wondering if there is a way on the opening page of this group to have a yet to be authored and agreed upon "Ten Commandments of Freight Cars?"

Commandment 1)  XM Boxcars went everywhere

Bill Welch


Re: reporting marks for the 40ft single sheathed auto box car

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund asked:
"Any thoughts on the reporting marks for the 40ft single sheathed auto box car shown in [the] image linked below? The resolution is just not quite good enough..."
https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM86520 

NJI&I (New Jersey, Indiana, &  Illinois), a subsidiary of the Wabash.  I don't have ORER info with me at work today, but it looks like a potential kitbash of the Walthers 50 ft fantasy automobile boxcar.


Ben Hom



reporting marks for the 40ft single sheathed auto box car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Any thoughts on the reporting marks for the 40ft single sheathed auto box car shown in ght eimage linked below? The resolution is just not quite good enough...
 
 
Thanks for ideas in advance.
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Maine Central Box Car 46205

Brian Rochon
 

Thanks Todd.  You are, of course, correct.

 

Brian Rochon

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 10:55 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Maine Central Box Car 46205

 

Ummm, in that era (1920s), I think MC is Michigan Central, part of the New York Central family, not Maine Central which has reporting marks MEC.

 

Todd Sullivan


Re: Michigan Central (NOT Maine Central) Box Car 46205

Benjamin Hom
 

Brian Rochon wrote:
"Today’s edition of the Erie Lackawanna E-Mail List Photo Archive (lists.railfan.net/erielack-photo) has four high resolution images of MC 46205, a wood-sheathed truss-rod box car, circa 1928-29."


Todd Sullivan replied:
"Ummm, in that era (1920s), I think MC is Michigan Central, part of the New York Central family, not Maine Central which has reporting marks MEC."

Todd is correct - the NYCL Oval and large "Michigan Central" reporting marks are dead giveaways.


Ben Hom 






Re: Maine Central Box Car 46205

Todd Sullivan
 

Ummm, in that era (1920s), I think MC is Michigan Central, part of the New York Central family, not Maine Central which has reporting marks MEC.

Todd Sullivan

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