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Re: Protocraft gondola (was Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company)
Schleigh Mike
UPDATE TO MY NOTE BELOW ERIE cars 11000-11599, 11600-11799, and 11800-12299 ALL have reference to the "type "F" slack adjusters". This second group of three orders are post-war copies of the earlier cars. All were discussed by Sunshine Models in their Kit #5.5 and later offered as a LifeLike model. The O-scale model is likely good for the newer cars. Mike Schleigh
On Sunday, October 28, 2018, 7:25:41 PM EDT, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:
Hello Group! My ERIE RR equipment diagrams for the three groups of orders comprising cars 10000-10824 do not mention anything about slack adjusters. However, on another subject brought up a few days back, the note "Five cars equipped with racks for handling auto frames and renumbered 50005-50009" appears with an uncertain revision date. This with kind regards from very wet Grove City in western Penna.----Mike Schleigh
On Sunday, October 28, 2018, 7:14:55 PM EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Besides other details, one not mentioned - it appears to have a Royal F slack adjuster! A very nice detail, but is it correct for the Erie cars? Tim O' Nice work with the photos, Claus. Always something interesting in your treasure hunts. -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Protocraft gondola (was Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company)
Schleigh Mike
Hello Group! My ERIE RR equipment diagrams for the three groups of orders comprising cars 10000-10824 do not mention anything about slack adjusters. However, on another subject brought up a few days back, the note "Five cars equipped with racks for handling auto frames and renumbered 50005-50009" appears with an uncertain revision date. This with kind regards from very wet Grove City in western Penna.----Mike Schleigh
On Sunday, October 28, 2018, 7:14:55 PM EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Besides other details, one not mentioned - it appears to have a Royal F slack adjuster! A very nice detail, but is it correct for the Erie cars? Tim O' Nice work with the photos, Claus. Always something interesting in your treasure hunts. -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Protocraft gondola (was Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company)
Besides other details, one not mentioned - it appears to have a Royal F slack adjuster! A very nice detail, but is it correct for the Erie cars? Tim O'
Nice work with the photos, Claus. Always something interesting in your treasure hunts. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Large wheel made by Otis Iron & Steel Company
I was thinking it was for crushing rock or ore.
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Thanks! Brian Ehni (Sent from my iPhone)
On Oct 28, 2018, at 5:09 PM, Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...> wrote:
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Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company
Agreed! There were MANY amphibious landing operations using such craft. The largest (far bigger than D-Day) was Okinawa. They also were used in many smaller opertions, like crossing the Rhine river. They continued in use long after WWII, though amphibious vehicles gradually replaced them for personnel transport.
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Re: Auto Frame Loads In Gondolas
Matt Smith
Also another link using the Speedwitch 41’ 6” gondola which were used for auto frames as well. This series ended up on the GM&O.
http://prototopics.blogspot.com/2017/05/building-dt-7000-series-gon-or-nothing.html -- Matt Smith Bloomington, IL
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Re: Auto Frame Loads In Gondolas
Matt Smith
Here’s a link to modeling auto frames with a DT&I car.
http://dti.railfan.net/Model_Building_Articles/Freight_Cars/DT&I_9100s_Model/G31DFrameRackInstr.html Matt Smith Bloomington, IL
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Re: Poultry Cars
Kristen pointed this out in her fine presentation. The mesh is in several horizontal bands separated by open spaces (slots) through which the ends of the board decks protrude.
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Thus the already complicated sides are actually far more complicated than they at first appear. The Ambroid car completey avoids the issue by incorrectly covering the entire side of the car with mesh (except the rider’s cabin). All this, however, has nothing to do with our continuing discussion on the most approriate material to use to represent the wire mesh. It’s still there … just in narrow strips instead of a big sheet. Several suggestions have been made for mesh material on HO scale cars. The whole issue is slightly less confusing for O and larger scales as the mesh coarser and less effected by optical problems. Dan Mitchell ==========
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Re: Large wheel made by Otis Iron & Steel Company
Not a gear of any usual kind. Tooth form all wrong for a herringbone gear. The teeth (lugs?) appear like just triangular bars. Almost like a steam-tractor wheel. Perhaps some kind of turbine wheel? Or maybe for some imbossing purpose? Very odd.
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Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company
Ralph W. Brown
We called them “Mike boats” in Vietnam.
Pax,
Ralph
Brown
Portland, Maine PRRT&HS No. 3966 NMRA No. L2532 rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
From: Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 4:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Shipment of barges at Warren City
Manufacturing Company Landing Craft, Mechanized... LCM-3... as the web page says. LCVP was similar. Claus Schlund wrote: -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company
Rob M.
Nice work with the photos, Claus. Always something interesting in your treasure hunts.
Looks similar to, if not the same car, that Norm Buckhart just had done in O scale: https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=1161&Categoryid=49 Rob Mondichak Allentown PA.
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Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company
Sheeesh... I'm surrounded by humorless school teachers... :'( :-| :-D So what's the NUMBER on this Erie gondola? I'm wondering if it's one of the gondolas built at the Dunmore Shops in 1941. Tim http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=youngstown&CISOPTR=54&action=2&DMSCALE=200&DMWIDTH=1200&DMHEIGHT=944
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 01:34 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
It's May 10, 1944 - less than a month before D-Day! They'd better get it going quickly if it's going to be useful. :-) I would suspect that the D-Day contracts were fulfilled a while ago, and the manufacturers are now working on material for the Pacific Theater. Dennis Storzek -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company
lrkdbn
These pictures youv'e been sending are REAL COOL!!! Thank you!
LR King
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Re: Large wheel made by Otis Iron & Steel Company
Dennis Storzek
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 01:46 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=general&CISOPTR=7034&action=2&DMSCALE=200&DMWIDTH=1200&DMHEIGHT=856That would really ruin someone's day if it fell over before the bracing was constructed. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company
Dennis Storzek
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 01:34 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
It's May 10, 1944 - less than a month before D-Day! They'd better get it going quicklyI would suspect that the D-Day contracts were fulfilled a while ago, and the manufacturers are now working on material for the Pacific Theater. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company
Benjamin Hom
Tim O'Connor wrote: "It's May 10, 1944 - less than a month before D-Day! They'd better get it going quickly if it's going to be useful. :-)" There were far more amphibious operations (many conducted by the Army without the Marine Corps) conducted during World War II than just Overlord. Rest assured this craft will be put to good use somewhere in the world. Ben Hom
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Re: CNJ boxcars in LA circa 1947?
brianleppert@att.net
There is a color photo of CNJ 21675 in the Steamscenes' 2002 Southern Pacific calender, month of September. The 1923 ARA proposed design box car is directly behind a cab forward steam locomotive crossing the Carquinez Straits bridge near Martinez, CA. The car has the larger "Statue of Liberty" herald. Photographed by Donald Duke, so of coarse it's undated.
Brian Leppert Carson City, NV
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Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company
Landing Craft, Mechanized... LCM-3... as the web page says. LCVP was similar.
Claus Schlund wrote: --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Large wheel made by Otis Iron & Steel Company
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Hi List Members, --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Poultry Cars
Steve SANDIFER
I’m in.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralph W. Brown
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 11:00 AM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: Fw: [RealSTMFC] Poultry Cars
Guys,
I’m beginning to think my message from very early this morning didn’t make it to most of the group. There is very nearly an exact HO scale match for the 1/8” wire 1.5” diamond mesh needed for these cars. I’ve copied my previous message below.
Doug said - “In her presentation, Kristen said the mesh on the car at St Louis measured: 1/8” woven wire, 1.5”x1.5” vertical diamond pattern.”
Diamond patterns are typically described by their axis dimensions, so doing the math the mesh would be 1.06066” square and rotated 45 degrees. Eighth inch wire would be 0.001435” diameter, and the mesh would be 0.01248” x 0.01248”. That would be, I think, about 82 mesh of 0.0014 wire. As it turns out, there is actually a stainless steel mesh that comes reasonably close! It is T316 stainless “high transparency” 0.0012” wire 80 mesh, but it’s more than a bit pricey starting at $19.50/sq. ft. for 1-24 sq. ft. with a minimum order of $100.00. A full 4’ x 100’ roll goes for $1,950.00, which drops the price per sq. ft. to $4.88.
One may check it out here: https://www.twpinc.com/wire-mesh-material/stainless-steel/80-mesh-stainless-high-transparency-0012.
It looks like pretty amazing stuff, but given the very small quantities most of might need, I think suspect we.d need a fair sized group to make a purchase worthwhile. A 3” x 3” sample or “swatch” is also available for $10.00 ($40.00/sq. ft.).
That high transparency mesh is made with 0.0012” wire and is 81% open space. It is not an exact match, but it is very, very close! Unfortunately, cost is a significant negative factor, but if, as Steve suggested, eight or more of us got together for a minimum order it would work out to about $13 each plus any shipping and the cost of distributing the shares to the other members of the group.
If there is interest in doing this, please count me in.
Pax,
Ralph Brown
From: Daniel A. Mitchell Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Poultry Cars
The problem besetting most of us regarding the wire mesh on the poultry cars is not the 1.5” mesh size but the 1/8” wire size. In HO scale that’s only a little over 0.001”. None of the available mesh, either woven or photo-etched, is nearly this small. Thus the fine mesh screens available are far too dense, and usually barely transparent at all. Photos of the poultry cars show the screens as very transparent, and the chickens (or whatever) inside as very visible.
The issue here is really the mesh OPENING size, not the wire size. To get an adequate opening, and accompanying appropriate transparency, a larger than scale wire size is a necessity.
And, if woven, the larger-than-scale wire size results in a mesh far thicker than scale. Was the original mesh woven or welded?
Even if a scale wire-sized screen was available it would be spider-web delicate and pretty much unusable. Thus, due to the larger-than-scale wire sizes involved any screens available in HO have to be far coarser pitch than scale or you could not see through them.
Dan Mitchell ==========
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