Re: [Proto-Layouts] Time to call in Columbo?
Eric Hansmann
About a decade ago I was researching the 1926 Western Maryland freight boxcar fleet and found some anomalies. There were three cars with dimensions that did not match up with anything on the roster. Through conversations with Larry Kline we determined these odd ball cars were replacement boxcars from other railroads where a WM car was destroyed in an accident. IIRC, one replacement was a double-sheathed car of C&NW origin while another was a Fowler design car. We did not find any images of these cars in service but I did notice a Fowler design car deep in a 1927 panoramic photo. It was being used as a shed in the Elkins yard.
Possibly the car in question is an L&A boxcar but not one that followed any of their fleet as it was a replacement from another road for a lost car.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
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Proto-Layouts@groups.io [mailto:Proto-Layouts@groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty
McGuirk
Thought I'd seek the help of all the freight car identifiers who seem to be out in force this week at solving what's proven to be a stubborn mystery.
See this link for my Steam Freight Car blog post for the photos: https://steamerafreightcars.blogspot.com/
Here's the text of the post:
The lead photo in this post is one of a series of shots showing a single Central Vermont freight. To date, I've managed to identify all the cars in this train, and have completed or started models of all of them with one exception. The pedigree of the car to the far right of the photo above has proven remarkably stubborn to uncover (it's shown in a cropped shot below). I'd love to be able to identify this particular car. At one point thought I had. At this point I'm open to any and all suggestions and thoughts as to what it might be.
Later that day I was thrilled when located an Atlas 1932 ARA car painted L&A for sale at a hobby shop in Wisconsin. Things were going well - too well as shortly after Ted Culotta rained on my parade when he pointed out it doesn't have a tabbed side sill like the L&A prototypes. Ted continued "I have this photo, too, and tried my best to determine the provenance of the car, but came up empty looking at my L&A and KCS freight car photos. I am stumped, but I'll keep digging..." Perhaps the first initial isn't an "L" at all - but Ted and I have both done high-res enlargements of this photo and it certainly looks like an "L" with a space and another single letter. I fully admit it's some sort of obsessive behavior to be trying to identify an otherwise nondescript boxcar from more than a half century ago. But that's prototype modeling.... Thought I'd throw it out on the table here and see what the collective believes this car to might be.
Thanks in advance,
Marty McGuirk
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Re: Rapido
Nelson Moyer
Discounts help a lot. I got three at $37.50 each (a 25% discount) from HO Hobbies.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Jon Miller
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 10:13 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Rapido
I received my Rapido NP boxcars and they are very nice. Notice from their site that they are totally sold out of all including the unpainted. Don't know how many but I find it interesting that a $50 (msrp) was totally sold out. -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User SPROG User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Rapido
Jon Miller
I received my Rapido NP
boxcars and they are very nice. Notice from their site that
they are totally sold out of all including
the unpainted. Don't know how many but I
find it interesting that a $50 (msrp) was totally sold
out. -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User SPROG User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Ann Arbor Boxcar
Here's another one, still in the black paint. And it appears to have a PEACOCK brake wheel. Tim O'Connor
Definitely ex-Wabash double-sheath cars rebuilt as steel-sheath cars. They operated in revenue service as AA 1100-series cars then became MofW/Company Service boxcars. Most were black as MofW cars but a few were repainted orange in later years, especially if they had special equipment or a specific use. One was stenciled "Pettibone Car". --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: RPM Chicagoland Photos
Paul Doggett
My Soo Line boxcar was marked like Bills.
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Paul Doggett England 🏴
On 26 Oct 2018, at 14:21, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Re: RPM Chicagoland Photos
Cool. I've never seen them marked that way. My kits were "Des Plaines Valley". Tim O'Connor
These showed up in the store from a collection: --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Time to call in Columbo?
Well, Marty, there just aren't that many possibilities. The only "&A" reporting marks could be B&A, C&A, L&A, S&A. Not Columbo. You need Sherlock Holmes: "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." I vote for L&A. Improbable, perhaps. Impossible? No. Tim ==============================
Thought I'd seek the help of all the freight car identifiers who seem to be out in force this week at solving what's proven to be a stubborn mystery. See this link for my Steam Freight Car blog post for the photos: --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Time to call in Columbo?
Marty McGuirk
Thought I'd seek the help of all the freight car identifiers who seem to be out in force this week at solving what's proven to be a stubborn mystery. See this link for my Steam Freight Car blog post for the photos: https://steamerafreightcars.blogspot.com/
Here's the text of the post: The lead photo in this post is one of a series of shots showing a single Central Vermont freight. To date, I've managed to identify all the cars in this train, and have completed or started models of all of them with one exception. The pedigree of the car to the far right of the photo above has proven remarkably stubborn to uncover (it's shown in a cropped shot below). I'd love to be able to identify this particular car. At one point thought I had. At this point I'm open to any and all suggestions and thoughts as to what it might be.
Later that day I was thrilled when located an Atlas 1932 ARA car painted L&A for sale at a hobby shop in Wisconsin. Things were going well - too well as shortly after Ted Culotta rained on my parade when he pointed out it doesn't have a tabbed side sill like the L&A prototypes. Ted continued "I have this photo, too, and tried my best to determine the provenance of the car, but came up empty looking at my L&A and KCS freight car photos. I am stumped, but I'll keep digging..." Perhaps the first initial isn't an "L" at all - but Ted and I have both done high-res enlargements of this photo and it certainly looks like an "L" with a space and another single letter. I fully admit it's some sort of obsessive behavior to be trying to identify an otherwise nondescript boxcar from more than a half century ago. But that's prototype modeling.... Thought I'd throw it out on the table here and see what the collective believes this car to might be. Thanks in advance, Marty McGuirk
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Re: AAR Loading Rule for Flatcars info
Fran Giacoma
Thanks Eric and Doug for the leads. Found the plan in the group files and have started the search for RPC 20 and TSC 36.
Fran Giacoma
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Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos
W.R.Dixon
On 22/10/2018 10:50 AM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 10:21 AM, skibbs4 wrote:These showed up in the store from a collection: Bill Dixon
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Re: Ann Arbor Boxcar
Craig Wilson
Definitely ex-Wabash double-sheath cars rebuilt as steel-sheath cars. They operated in revenue service as AA 1100-series cars then became MofW/Company Service boxcars. Most were black as MofW cars but a few were repainted orange in later years, especially if they had special equipment or a specific use. One was stenciled "Pettibone Car".
And ... now for something completely different ... check out the attached photo. AA X4624 was a plain old black car used for company material storage at the Cadillac, Michigan freight house. In 1972 the "Michigan Artrain" began operating and one of its first tours brought it to Cadillac where it would be parked next to that black boxcar at the freight house. The local high school art class got permission to "spruce up" the site and they got to repaint the boxcar. Both sides of the car had different artwork on it. While sitting in Cadillac, it had no lettering on it. Prior to being moved to Boat Landing yard at Elberta it was given the lettering shown in the photo that I shot in July 1976. Ultimately it went to the AA shop in Owosso and was repainted in a plain oxide red scheme. Craig Wilson Sure would make an interesting custom decal project, wouldn't it?
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Re: Ann Arbor Boxcar
Benjamin Hom
Tim O'Connor wrote: "And here's yet another DT&I rebuild, also with 5/5/5 ends - this one appears to be identical to the LOVX car. The DT&I had some very interesting freight cars!" DT&I 19150-19199, rebuilt a second time at DT&I Jackson Shops in 1958. These cars were later leased and ran under LOVX and WRX reporting marks. (Roof misidentified as "Murphy" on webpage; cars retained the Cambre radial roof of the initial rebuilding.) Ben Hom
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Re: Ann Arbor Boxcar
Benjamin Hom
Tim O'Connor wrote: "Ben, is this one of the FIRST rebuilds of 11000-11299 that you refer to?" Correct. Here's more information from Brian Everett's DT&I website: Ben Hom
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Re: Ann Arbor Boxcar
And here's yet another DT&I rebuild, also with 5/5/5 ends - this one appears to be
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identical to the LOVX car. The DT&I had some very interesting freight cars! Tim O' ==============================
Rebuilt USRA DS boxcar indeed, but NOT Ann Arbor NOR Wabash. The LOVX plug door cars are a second rebuild of DT&I 11000-11299. The Cambre roof is the giveaway, as only the DT&I used it for USRA DS boxcar rebuilds. --
*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: Ann Arbor Boxcar
Ben, is this one of the FIRST rebuilds of 11000-11299 that you refer to? Thanks Tim O'Connor ========================= Bob Witt wrote: "Here's the USRA rebuilt with 5-5-5 ends." Rebuilt USRA DS boxcar indeed, but NOT Ann Arbor NOR Wabash. The LOVX plug door cars are a second rebuild of DT&I 11000-11299. The Cambre roof is the giveaway, as only the DT&I used it for USRA DS boxcar rebuilds. Ben Hom -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Ann Arbor Boxcar
Here is clearer proof of the Ann Arbor car being ex-Wabash - both roads' lettering is visible. And you can see the 7/8 ends. Tim
Bob Witt wrote: --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Early RPM Efforts
Mike – Thanks for the kind words. I stumbled into manufacturing because there were so few models of the period I had chosen – 1923. I knew little about prototype modeling, but you folks started sending me info and criticizing my efforts, so that I had to improve my research and patterns. I once counted how many modelers I’d thanked for their help in my instructions and histories. It was over 200. So I didn’t do it alone.
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From: Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 7:14 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Early RPM Efforts
A note to Al--Shared with the Group----
Your early and continuing work, really, contributions, in the hobby have been huge. Even those early kits, fragile as they might be, were wonderful and brought advances in modeling that showed us the way to do great modeling and to expect better in ourselves and those that supply our purchases. Tom Madden gave us a very nice run-down of where much of this had come from but your efforts brought something of a quantum leap that showed everyone that much more could be done to bring better realism to our railroad cars. Future advances will come but what you and Patricia did for the hobby will stand as a large milestone in the modeling quality we can expect in our hobby. Thank you, Al, for all you gave us and the hobby!
Enjoy your time in Arizona. Enjoy the hobby. And please stay in touch offering comments as you see opportunity.
Good wishes from Grove City in western Penna. Mike Schleigh
On Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 11:13:02 AM EDT, al_westerfield <westerfieldalfred@...> wrote:
Mark – For about 15 years we willing replaced those castings for urethane at no charge for anyone who requested it. To get the old kits off hobby shop shelves, we notified every shop on out lists that we would replace entire kits if they returned the originals. Surprisingly, few did.
But I received my greatest compliment over that kit. One modeler complained to another that my ad should have showed the model, not the prototype. It was the model.
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From: Rossiter, Mark W
Dan and friends, yes the NEB&W was a fictitious railroad, but in addition to the modeled prototype scenes you mentioned, the motive power and rolling stock was based on Rutland and D&H prototypes. It was largely the John Nehrich, Jeff English, Todd Sullivan and Andy Claremont articles in MR and RMC in the early 1980’s on how to turn the available kits of the day into more correct models of actual prototypes that opened my eyes to a whole new world of modeling. Once the Storzek Rutland and NYC box car kits hit the market, followed by the NEB&W ‘green dot’ kits, I was hooked on resin kits. The first Westerfield kit I bought was a NYC hopper made of the dark gray casting material. Assembling that kit was like trying to glue potato chips together. Every time I touched it something else broke. It is still partially finished in a box somewhere in my basement. It was my first experience with scale thickness walls on a freight car kit.
Mark Rossiter
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Re: Ann Arbor Boxcar
Benjamin Hom
Bob Witt wrote:
"Here's the USRA rebulit with 5-5-5 ends." Rebuilt USRA DS boxcar indeed, but NOT Ann Arbor NOR Wabash. The LOVX plug door cars are a second rebuild of DT&I 11000-11299. The Cambre roof is the giveaway, as only the DT&I used it for USRA DS boxcar rebuilds. Ben Hom
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Re: Ann Arbor Boxcar
rwitt_2000
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 05:03 PM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
Here's the USRA rebulit with 5-5-5 ends. Bob Witt
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Re: AAR Loading Rule for Flatcars info
Check the grou files/photos. I uploaded same a few years ago.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fran Giacoma
Farming and road construction equipment are a necessity in the area I model on my HO layout depicting the B&O Shenandoah SD set in late September 1956. I have numerous industries that have sidetracks that can accept flatcars for unloading the equipment such as farm vehicles, graders, bulldozers, etc. Besides Ebay, online book sellers, and various railroadiana shows, any other places I should be looking for the AAR Loading Rules for Flatcars appropriate to my era?
Thanks.
Fran Giacoma
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