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Steel Plate Loads

Bob Chaparro
 

Can anyone direct me to a 1950s era loading diagram or prototype photo for steel plate on a flat car?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: SP H-70-6 Covered Hopper 1949 Version

Tim O'Connor
 

Ken

didn't someone just offer Intermountain kits for $15 each? it pays to be a
frugal modeler...

also many of us have extras of etched brake platforms... I have a bunch. all
it costs is a stamp :-)

Tim O'



I sort of like interesting kit bashing projects so I obtained a Bowser kit for the SP 2 bay 70 ton covered hopper. I actually ordered two but Walthers only shipped my LHS one. Intermountain is out of their RTR version and they are scarce on eBay. Unless Andy Carlson has a kit for one in his store room, I am probably out of luck anyway. This kit only cost me $16 so it is more for the fun of the bash.

After closer examination of the kit, it is much closer to the 1949 H-70-6 than the 1946 H-70-4 so I will start the bash with the hope of coming close to that model.  I would have preferred the Intermountain model with separate grab irons instead of the solid grabs of the Bowser kit. The Bowser kit appears to have an apex running board but the brake platform has no tread. I will try to get a Plano #091 Apex running board/walkway to fix that.

Also it has a very wide coupler box which detracts from the end platform look.  Fortunately I have a copy of SP Freight Cars volume 5 with plenty of pictures and information particularly about the specialties SP used on the car. According to Tony Thompson the H-70-6 uses ASF A-3 70 Ton trucks and an Ajax hand brake. I have both on hand.

A quick swab with Testors ELO on a cotton bud and a wash in warm soapy water has removed the later large block SOUTHERN PACIFC lettering. So the project has started.

Attachments:

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


SP H-70-6 Covered Hopper 1949 Version

Ken Adams
 

I sort of like interesting kit bashing projects so I obtained a Bowser kit for the SP 2 bay 70 ton covered hopper. I actually ordered two but Walthers only shipped my LHS one. Intermountain is out of their RTR version and they are scarce on eBay. Unless Andy Carlson has a kit for one in his store room, I am probably out of luck anyway. This kit only cost me $16 so it is more for the fun of the bash. 

After closer examination of the kit, it is much closer to the 1949 H-70-6 than the 1946 H-70-4 so I will start the bash with the hope of coming close to that model.  I would have preferred the Intermountain model with separate grab irons instead of the solid grabs of the Bowser kit. The Bowser kit appears to have an apex running board but the brake platform has no tread. I will try to get a Plano #091 Apex running board/walkway to fix that. 

Also it has a very wide coupler box which detracts from the end platform look.  Fortunately I have a copy of SP Freight Cars volume 5 with plenty of pictures and information particularly about the specialties SP used on the car. According to Tony Thompson the H-70-6 uses ASF A-3 70 Ton trucks and an Ajax hand brake. I have both on hand.

A quick swab with Testors ELO on a cotton bud and a wash in warm soapy water has removed the later large block SOUTHERN PACIFC lettering. So the project has started.



old Southern Pacific movie on Youtube

Tim O'Connor
 

An amusing little 1931 film "Other Men's Women" about railroad workers
with many wonderful scenes of Southern Pacific steam and freight cars -
and they even staged a real sideswipe collision of a steam locomotive and
an SP caboose! with Jimmy Cagney in a minor bit part! Lots of railroad
jargon. Excellent quality too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M64ZlYnJsM

Tim O'Connor



--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


SP River Yard (Los Angeles)

Bob Chaparro
 


Re: Mystery Tank Car

Jon Miller
 

    My original comment is based on you just can't take a flat piece of metal and duplicate this casting for a model.  It's a little trickier than that and the folks doing resin casting that could do this one are very few (maybe only one)!  A resin model would be great but there is the problem of sales.  Richard H. always said that there just wouldn't be enough sales to make it worth the effort.
    As to saving the ones around, that underframe must weight many tons.  How to move it would be a problem even if someone said it's yours just get rid of it.  It is an amazing casting for it's time in history.
-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: ATSF Tk-L tank car

Jon Miller
 

On 10/12/2018 6:21 PM, mopacfirst wrote:
At 16,000 gallons, I assume that these tanks would have been originally used to bring all that boiler water out to the Arizona desert

    Again off the top of my head I believe these tanks were built to haul (steam engine) oil/fuel/bunker c.  Later they were used for water.  I'm getting old so memory is not as good as it once was.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Mystery Tank Car

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 08:13 PM, John Barry wrote:
The casting integrated the bottom of the tank with the underframe, replacing the traditionally separate structures with a single part that both carried the loads and formed the bottom course to contain the liquid cargo'
As explained in this advertisement:


There is one of these cars amazingly complete except for trucks, couplers, and brake equipment abandoned from its last use as a water tank in Vidal Junction, California, just waiting for someone with the wherewithal to save it. See brief discussion here:

Santa Fe water tank car

Dennis Storzek


One more before next weekend

Pierre Oliver
 

http://elgincarshops.blogspot.com/2018/10/and-one-more.html

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Requesting a ride to Midway field on Saturday, OCT 20th afternoon

Andy Carlson
 

I am prepared to ride the commuter train from Lisle to Chicago, walking to the El for a trip to Midway for my 7:50PM departure. Though if anyone is returning to Midway by car at the same time, I would like to stow away. I would gladly help generously with the gas.

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
805 646 3334


Prototype Rails 2019 Flyer

Mikebrock
 

Guys, well it’s about 3 months until Prototype Rails, the 19th version of the RPM at Cocoa Beach, FL. Here’s the current flyer for the meet.

 

PROTOTYPE RAILS 2019

COCOA BEACH, FL, JAN 10-12, 2019

 

An NMRA Sanctioned Event

A Prototype Modeling Meet Featuring Modular Layouts in O, HO and N Scale

1000 Models on Display—Please Bring Models!

                    Contact Mike Brock at   Brockm@... for Info  

Hotel

COCOA BEACH HILTON OCEANFRONT

1550 N. Atlantic Ave. [Highway A1A], COCOA BEACH, FL.

Phone: 800-526-2609 or 321-799-0003.

Refer to Prototype Rails or Code NMR19 for $139 Room Rate.

(Parking and internet access complementary)

 

Registration

Early registration $35, Please make your check payable to "Prototype Rails" and send to:

Marty Megregian, 480 Gails Way, Merritt Island, FL 32953.

     

REGISTER EARLY: The cutoff date for early registration is January 1, 2019.

Registration received after that date is $45.

 

Over 92 Clinics Under development

 

Organizations, Manufacturers & Dealers, Tentative including:

ACL/SAL Historical SocietyBob's Photos, Bob the Train Guy, DCC Install Sales, Exact Rail, Thoroughbred Models, Lok Sound,

5th Avenue Shops, Funaro & Camerlengo, Intermountain, Jay Williams Photos, Rapido, John C. La Rue Photos,

                   Mainline Photos, Palace Car Co., Rapido, Scale Trains.com, Inc. Southern Car & Foundry,SRHA, N&W HS , Janes Tools

 

The meet begins on Thursday, January 10th, at 8 PM with video, slide shows and clinics. The meet continues from 9AM until 11 PM on Friday and Sat with an auction on Sat at 10PM.

Spouses/Guests not attending presentations do not have to pay registration.  

There will be a Friends of the Freight Car lunch at noon on Saturday at the hotel.  

                                                 Dinner at Florida’s Fresh Grill on Saturday evening:Steak or Fish

 


Re: CGW 1937 boxcar instructions

Douglas Harding
 

Thank you Mike. Just what I was looking for. I was not able to find that on the website. There is no visible link and I was not putting in the correct words in the search box.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of skibbs4
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 7:25 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] CGW 1937 boxcar instructions

 

Doug-

 

A digital version of last year’s attendee program, which includes the Mini-Kit information, can be found on our site here:

 

 

Hope that helps. 

 

Mike Skibbe


On Oct 12, 2018, at 12:36 PM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Does anyone have a copy of the instructions for last year’s Chicagoland CGW boxcar mini-kit they could send me? I’ve finally pulled mine off the shelf (must be next weekend has me inspired) and I cannot locate any instructions.

Send to doug.harding at iowacentralrr.org

Thanks

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Mystery Tank Car

John Barry
 

Mark,

Not quite.  The casting integrated the bottom of the tank with the underframe, replacing the traditionally separate structures with a single part that both carried the loads and formed the bottom course to contain the liquid cargo'  This lowered the height of the car and allowed the very large 16,200 gallon car to fit in the then extant clearance diagrams.  Three additional conventional plate courses were riveted to the cast underframe to form the tank.  The Tk-L class came from General American with the Ajax power hand brake, KC airbrakes, and 70 ton one-level Dahlman trucks.  
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: mark_landgraf via Groups.Io <mark_landgraf@...>
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mystery Tank Car

I found the photo on page 392 of the 1937 CBC.

However the drawings make it look like there is aconcave shape to the top of the cast to allow the tank to be cradled.

Mark


On Friday, October 12, 2018, 7:58:56 PM EDT, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:


Jon,

From the ATSF Tank Car book pg 71 the GSC one piece cast tank bottom/bolsters/draft gear appeared in the 1937 CBC.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mystery Tank Car

On 10/12/2018 12:20 PM, mark_landgraf via Groups.Io wrote:
If the casting came from Commonwealth
    One of the CBCs has a picture of the casting but can't remember the year off the top of my head.  Doubt anyone is going to pay those prices for the drawings.
-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS



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Kits for sale to CL RPM attendees

Clark Propst
 

A friend asked me to offer these kits for your consideration. Free delivery at the Chicagoland RPM next weekend.

1 - Intermountain 43698 1958 cu ft 2 bay hopper kit, closed side undecorated
3 - Intermountain 43699 1958 cu ft 2 bay hopper kit, open side undecorated

He'd like $15 each

If interested please contact me (Clark Propst) at:
cepropst@q.com
Thank you


Re: ATSF Tk-L tank car

mopacfirst
 

So from all this information, I still can't tell if this was a traditional tank rolled from steel plate and attached to a cast steel underframe, or if this is more like a 'water bottom' tender in which the casting forms a wetted part, and the rest of the tank is built around it.

At 16,000 gallons, I assume that these tanks would have been originally used to bring all that boiler water out to the Arizona desert, among other uses.

Ron Merrick


Re: Mystery Tank Car

mark_landgraf
 

I found the photo on page 392 of the 1937 CBC.

However the drawings make it look like there is aconcave shape to the top of the cast to allow the tank to be cradled.

Mark


On Friday, October 12, 2018, 7:58:56 PM EDT, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:


Jon,

From the ATSF Tank Car book pg 71 the GSC one piece cast tank bottom/bolsters/draft gear appeared in the 1937 CBC.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mystery Tank Car

On 10/12/2018 12:20 PM, mark_landgraf via Groups.Io wrote:
If the casting came from Commonwealth
    One of the CBCs has a picture of the casting but can't remember the year off the top of my head.  Doubt anyone is going to pay those prices for the drawings.
-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS



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Re: CGW 1937 boxcar instructions

skibbs4
 

Doug-

A digital version of last year’s attendee program, which includes the Mini-Kit information, can be found on our site here:


Hope that helps. 

Mike Skibbe

On Oct 12, 2018, at 12:36 PM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Does anyone have a copy of the instructions for last year’s Chicagoland CGW boxcar mini-kit they could send me? I’ve finally pulled mine off the shelf (must be next weekend has me inspired) and I cannot locate any instructions.

Send to doug.harding at iowacentralrr.org

Thanks

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: CGW 1937 boxcar instructions

Douglas Harding
 

Yes I found that. But wasn't there something in last year's registration packet? I have misplaced mine. Just trying to figure out what some of the small resin parts are for.


Re: Mystery Tank Car

John Barry
 

Jon,

From the ATSF Tank Car book pg 71 the GSC one piece cast tank bottom/bolsters/draft gear appeared in the 1937 CBC.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mystery Tank Car

On 10/12/2018 12:20 PM, mark_landgraf via Groups.Io wrote:
If the casting came from Commonwealth
    One of the CBCs has a picture of the casting but can't remember the year off the top of my head.  Doubt anyone is going to pay those prices for the drawings.
-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS



Re: Mystery Tank Car

Jon Miller
 

On 10/12/2018 12:20 PM, mark_landgraf via Groups.Io wrote:
If the casting came from Commonwealth

    One of the CBCs has a picture of the casting but can't remember the year off the top of my head.  Doubt anyone is going to pay those prices for the drawings.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

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