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SP H-70-6 Covered Hopper 1949 Version
I sort of like interesting kit bashing projects so I obtained a Bowser kit for the SP 2 bay 70 ton covered hopper. I actually ordered two but Walthers only shipped my LHS one. Intermountain is out of their RTR version and they are scarce on eBay. Unless Andy Carlson has a kit for one in his store room, I am probably out of luck anyway. This kit only cost me $16 so it is more for the fun of the bash.
After closer examination of the kit, it is much closer to the 1949 H-70-6 than the 1946 H-70-4 so I will start the bash with the hope of coming close to that model. I would have preferred the Intermountain model with separate grab irons instead of the solid grabs of the Bowser kit. The Bowser kit appears to have an apex running board but the brake platform has no tread. I will try to get a Plano #091 Apex running board/walkway to fix that. Also it has a very wide coupler box which detracts from the end platform look. Fortunately I have a copy of SP Freight Cars volume 5 with plenty of pictures and information particularly about the specialties SP used on the car. According to Tony Thompson the H-70-6 uses ASF A-3 70 Ton trucks and an Ajax hand brake. I have both on hand. A quick swab with Testors ELO on a cotton bud and a wash in warm soapy water has removed the later large block SOUTHERN PACIFC lettering. So the project has started.
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old Southern Pacific movie on Youtube
An amusing little 1931 film "Other Men's Women" about railroad workers
with many wonderful scenes of Southern Pacific steam and freight cars - and they even staged a real sideswipe collision of a steam locomotive and an SP caboose! with Jimmy Cagney in a minor bit part! Lots of railroad jargon. Excellent quality too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M64ZlYnJsM Tim O'Connor -- *Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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SP River Yard (Los Angeles)
Freight cars aplenty: https://dl.library.ucla.edu/islandora/object/edu.ucla.library.specialCollections.latimes%3A4498 This photo can be enlarged to show good detail. Other photos: https://archive.imlab.ucla.edu/History/River-Station/i-p6cfzN8/A https://archive.imlab.ucla.edu/History/River-Station/i-qPTTtSd/A https://archive.imlab.ucla.edu/History/River-Station/i-nR5Cp6Z/A Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Mystery Tank Car
Jon Miller
My original comment is based on you just can't take a flat piece
of metal and duplicate this casting for a model. It's a little
trickier than that and the folks doing resin casting that could do
this one are very few (maybe only one)! A resin model would be
great but there is the problem of sales. Richard H. always said
that there just wouldn't be enough sales to make it worth the
effort.
As to saving the ones around, that underframe must weight many tons. How to move it would be a problem even if someone said it's yours just get rid of it. It is an amazing casting for it's time in history. -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, SPROG, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: ATSF Tk-L tank car
Jon Miller
On 10/12/2018 6:21 PM, mopacfirst
wrote:
At 16,000 gallons, I assume that these tanks would have been originally used to bring all that boiler water out to the Arizona desert Again off the top of my head I believe these
tanks were built to haul (steam engine) oil/fuel/bunker c.
Later they were used for water. I'm getting old so memory is
not as good as it once was. -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, SPROG, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Mystery Tank Car
Dennis Storzek
On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 08:13 PM, John Barry wrote:
The casting integrated the bottom of the tank with the underframe, replacing the traditionally separate structures with a single part that both carried the loads and formed the bottom course to contain the liquid cargo'As explained in this advertisement: There is one of these cars amazingly complete except for trucks, couplers, and brake equipment abandoned from its last use as a water tank in Vidal Junction, California, just waiting for someone with the wherewithal to save it. See brief discussion here: Santa Fe water tank car Dennis Storzek
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One more before next weekend
Pierre Oliver
http://elgincarshops.blogspot.com/2018/10/and-one-more.html
-- Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
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Requesting a ride to Midway field on Saturday, OCT 20th afternoon
Andy Carlson
I am prepared to ride the commuter train from Lisle to Chicago, walking to the El for a trip to Midway for my 7:50PM departure. Though if anyone is returning to Midway by car at the same time, I would like to stow away. I would gladly help generously with the gas. Thanks, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA 805 646 3334
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Prototype Rails 2019 Flyer
Guys, well it’s about 3 months until Prototype Rails, the 19th version of the RPM at Cocoa Beach, FL. Here’s the current flyer for the meet.
PROTOTYPE RAILS 2019 COCOA BEACH, FL, JAN 10-12, 2019
An NMRA Sanctioned Event A Prototype Modeling Meet Featuring Modular Layouts in O, HO and N Scale 1000 Models on Display—Please Bring Models! Contact Mike Brock at Brockm@... for Info Hotel COCOA BEACH HILTON OCEANFRONT 1550 N. Atlantic Ave. [Highway A1A], COCOA BEACH, FL. Phone: 800-526-2609 or 321-799-0003. Refer to Prototype Rails or Code NMR19 for $139 Room Rate. (Parking and internet access complementary)
Registration Early registration $35, Please make your check payable to "Prototype Rails" and send to: Marty Megregian, 480 Gails Way, Merritt Island, FL 32953.
REGISTER EARLY: The cutoff date for early registration is January 1, 2019. Registration received after that date is $45.
Over 92 Clinics Under development
Organizations, Manufacturers & Dealers, Tentative including:ACL/SAL Historical Society, Bob's Photos, Bob the Train Guy, DCC Install Sales, Exact Rail, Thoroughbred Models, Lok Sound, 5th Avenue Shops, Funaro & Camerlengo, Intermountain, Jay Williams Photos, Rapido, John C. La Rue Photos, Mainline Photos, Palace Car Co., Rapido, Scale Trains.com, Inc. Southern Car & Foundry,SRHA, N&W HS , Janes Tools
The meet begins on Thursday, January 10th, at 8 PM with video, slide shows and clinics. The meet continues from 9AM until 11 PM on Friday and Sat with an auction on Sat at 10PM. Spouses/Guests not attending presentations do not have to pay registration. There will be a Friends of the Freight Car lunch at noon on Saturday at the hotel. Dinner at Florida’s Fresh Grill on Saturday evening:Steak or Fish
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Re: CGW 1937 boxcar instructions
Thank you Mike. Just what I was looking for. I was not able to find that on the website. There is no visible link and I was not putting in the correct words in the search box.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of skibbs4
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 7:25 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] CGW 1937 boxcar instructions
Doug-
A digital version of last year’s attendee program, which includes the Mini-Kit information, can be found on our site here:
Hope that helps.
Mike Skibbe
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Re: Mystery Tank Car
John Barry
Mark, Not quite. The casting integrated the bottom of the tank with the underframe, replacing the traditionally separate structures with a single part that both carried the loads and formed the bottom course to contain the liquid cargo' This lowered the height of the car and allowed the very large 16,200 gallon car to fit in the then extant clearance diagrams. Three additional conventional plate courses were riveted to the cast underframe to form the tank. The Tk-L class came from General American with the Ajax power hand brake, KC airbrakes, and 70 ton one-level Dahlman trucks. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
From: mark_landgraf via Groups.Io <mark_landgraf@...> To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mystery Tank Car I found the photo on page 392 of the 1937 CBC.
However the drawings make it look like there is aconcave shape to the top of the cast to allow the tank to be cradled. Mark
On Friday, October 12, 2018, 7:58:56 PM EDT, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:
Jon, From the ATSF Tank Car book pg 71 the GSC one piece cast tank bottom/bolsters/draft gear appeared in the 1937 CBC. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736 From: Jon Miller <atsfus@...> To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mystery Tank Car On 10/12/2018 12:20 PM,
mark_landgraf via Groups.Io wrote:
If the casting came from Commonwealth One of the CBCs has a picture of the casting
but can't remember the year off the top of my head. Doubt
anyone is going to pay those prices for the drawings.
-- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, SPROG, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Kits for sale to CL RPM attendees
Clark Propst
A friend asked me to offer these kits for your consideration. Free delivery at the Chicagoland RPM next weekend.
1 - Intermountain 43698 1958 cu ft 2 bay hopper kit, closed side undecorated 3 - Intermountain 43699 1958 cu ft 2 bay hopper kit, open side undecorated He'd like $15 each If interested please contact me (Clark Propst) at: cepropst@q.com Thank you
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Re: ATSF Tk-L tank car
mopacfirst
So from all this information, I still can't tell if this was a traditional tank rolled from steel plate and attached to a cast steel underframe, or if this is more like a 'water bottom' tender in which the casting forms a wetted part, and the rest of the tank is built around it.
At 16,000 gallons, I assume that these tanks would have been originally used to bring all that boiler water out to the Arizona desert, among other uses. Ron Merrick
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Re: Mystery Tank Car
mark_landgraf
I found the photo on page 392 of the 1937 CBC.
However the drawings make it look like there is aconcave shape to the top of the cast to allow the tank to be cradled. Mark
On Friday, October 12, 2018, 7:58:56 PM EDT, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:
Jon, From the ATSF Tank Car book pg 71 the GSC one piece cast tank bottom/bolsters/draft gear appeared in the 1937 CBC. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736 From: Jon Miller <atsfus@...> To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mystery Tank Car On 10/12/2018 12:20 PM,
mark_landgraf via Groups.Io wrote:
If the casting came from Commonwealth One of the CBCs has a picture of the casting
but can't remember the year off the top of my head. Doubt
anyone is going to pay those prices for the drawings.
-- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, SPROG, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: CGW 1937 boxcar instructions
skibbs4
Doug- A digital version of last year’s attendee program, which includes the Mini-Kit information, can be found on our site here: Hope that helps. Mike Skibbe
On Oct 12, 2018, at 12:36 PM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:
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Re: CGW 1937 boxcar instructions
Yes I found that. But wasn't there something in last year's registration packet? I have misplaced mine. Just trying to figure out what some of the small resin parts are for.
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Re: Mystery Tank Car
John Barry
Jon, From the ATSF Tank Car book pg 71 the GSC one piece cast tank bottom/bolsters/draft gear appeared in the 1937 CBC. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
From: Jon Miller <atsfus@...> To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mystery Tank Car On 10/12/2018 12:20 PM,
mark_landgraf via Groups.Io wrote:
If the casting came from Commonwealth One of the CBCs has a picture of the casting
but can't remember the year off the top of my head. Doubt
anyone is going to pay those prices for the drawings.
-- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, SPROG, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Mystery Tank Car
Jon Miller
On 10/12/2018 12:20 PM,
mark_landgraf via Groups.Io wrote:
If the casting came from Commonwealth One of the CBCs has a picture of the casting
but can't remember the year off the top of my head. Doubt
anyone is going to pay those prices for the drawings. -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, SPROG, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Fw: New Era Decals Released
hubert mask
From: Hubert Mask
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 1:08 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: New Era Decals Released
Mask Island Decals is pleased to announce the release of two new decal sets.
Chicago & North Western quad hoppers 1937 and 1940 builds. Decal set does one each. Logo The Northwestern Line with CNW beneath and Chicago Northwestern Line.
Price $7.00
Also 40' orange EJ&E with outerbelt logo and around NOT-THRU. Set does two cars. Price $7.00. 50 build era.
Visit my web site maskislanddecals.com. These sets listed under freight cars. decals are listed alphabetically by RAILROAD.
Thank you! Hope to see you in Chicago.
Hubert Mask
Mask Island Decals Inc.
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Re: Mystery Tank Car
Jake Schaible
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