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Re: RPM Chicagoland Photos
Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
Tim, I suspect that your kits were a later run. The earlier run was identical to the ones shown. One kit that was not shown was the Soo Line caboose that Dennis did, which in addition to being a very nice kit (as all of Dennis’s kits were) had the correct trucks. I am afraid that these kits remain highly desirable among the Soo Line modelers. The later injection plastic version that was sold under the Centralia Car name did not include trucks.
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On Oct 26, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Re: 55 Ton Fishbelly Hopper Cars
Benjamin Hom
David Payne asked: "Does anyone have a list of owners of the subject hopper car; specifically, one with flat ends (for all I know, they may all have had flat ends)." Anthony Wagner replied: "Off the top of my head circa 1950: RDG, CNJ, D&H, LV, WM, and N&W. AFIK only the N&W cars had peaked ends. In later years some of these cars moved to other RRs secondhand." Be advised that not all of these cars are the same dimensionally, with 29 ft and 30 ft 6 in inside length variations. Additionally, the Western Maryland built larger capacity versions of these cars in the late 1950s. Don't assume the Stewart/Bowser model will cover all of these cars - there's still a use for the Ulrich model and a need to scratchbuild or find an old RailRoad Progress scratchbuild in a box for the later WM cars. Ben Hom
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Re: 55 Ton Fishbelly Hopper Cars
anthony wagner
Off the top of my head circa 1950: RDG, CNJ, D&H, LV, WM, and N&W. AFIK only the N&W cars had peaked ends. In later years some of these cars moved to other RRs secondhand. Tony Wagner
On Friday, October 26, 2018 11:43 AM, David Payne via Groups.Io <davidcofga@...> wrote: Does anyone have a list of owners of the subject hopper car; specifically, one with flat ends (for all I know, they may all have had flat ends).
Thank you!
David Payne
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55 Ton Fishbelly Hopper Cars
David Payne
Does anyone have a list of owners of the subject hopper car; specifically, one with flat ends (for all I know, they may all have had flat ends).
Thank you!
David Payne
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Re: Ann Arbor Boxcar
Tim,
I did say almost. The Ajax on this car is almost certainly a replacement hand brake wheel and gear. Zooming in as best I can, can't see the release lever or if it has one. That would tell a lot on age of Ajax housing. Definitely not original to time period of those ends. No full top flange. Gene, go back and look at photos of AA boxcars. Really early versions of Miner hand brakes and going to the Double A historical group might be useful to find photos of early Miners, a low production hand brake in the early power hand brake era as you know. And they evolved quickly early on. Finding an available version of the 24" Miner wheel ( 2 versions ) is high on my list. Associated gear would be a bonus. Dan Smith
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Re: Time to call in Columbo?
D. Scott Chatfield
Isn't it taller than a 1932 ARA box? Looks to be about 9" taller than the box next to the pusher. And while the reporting mark does look like L&A, there's something extra on the "L" so maybe it is a worn off B. Comparing the format of the end reporting marks might direct you to the right road. Scott Chatfield
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Re: ResinFreightCarBuilders
earlyrail
Was Virginia Foundry & Model Works mentioned? Granted that most of their cars were from before this list, but many covered the early years of the list Mostly covered and advertised in the Earlyrail list Howard Garner
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Re: Time to call in Columbo?
Herb Biegel
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Re: Rapido NP boxcar, K brake question
Eric Hansmann
Yes. I got a four-pack of the Pre-War cars. Three of them will be sent to others modeling the 1920s and 1930s. Out of the box, these models look downright amazing.
In a quick overview I noticed a couple of things.
- The models have a 1937 reweigh date. NP lettering was spartan so a paint out and a 1925 or 1926 reweigh date will be an easy fix. - The stencil on the air reservoir on the brake casting is upside down, which made me chuckle. It's hard to read as it is. - The model has two grabs on the left end of the car sides. The uppermost grab will need to be removed for a pre-1930 appearance. Rapido only had one basic version made and used different paint and lettering styles. - The models are equipped with a metal Kadee-like coupler that I will change out to a preferred Accurail Proto:HO coupler. - The wheels will need to be painted.
I was told at RPM Chicagoland that the basic car represents the rebuilt version so the sheathing is not reflective of the original center-bead board. This is difficult to see at a 12-inch view. It will be a pretty quick addition to my 1926 fleet.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alexander Schneider Jr
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 11:26 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido NP boxcar, K brake question
I received mine, and I have a question about the K brake system. I don’t see any connection between the lever on the “A” end and the rest of the system. My 1928 Car Builders Cyclopedia shows a connecting rod between the two levers. I can’t imagine it would be between the underframe channels. Any ideas?
Alex Schneider
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Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] [Proto-Layouts] Time to call in Columbo?
Ted Culotta
I think my last guess was secondhand X28 or tall Reading USRA design steel box car.
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On Oct 26, 2018, at 11:52 AM, sailsman@... <Sailsman@...> wrote:
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Re: [Proto-Layouts] Time to call in Columbo?
Benjamin Hom
Travers Stravac wrote: "The car looks too tall to be an x-29 copy." First, NO DASHES IN PRR CAR CLASSES. I agree; however, this puts the automobile car versions of PRR Class X29/1923 proposed ARA steel boxcar (ex: PRR Class X28A, B&O Class M-27A, N&W Class BPA, CNJ) into the realm of possibilities. Ben Hom
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Re: [Proto-Layouts] Time to call in Columbo?
Benjamin Hom
Tim O’Connor wrote: "’Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.’ I vote for L&A. Improbable, perhaps. Impossible? No.” https://steamerafreightcars.blogspot.com/ Another unlikely but plausible possibility is a wrecked car that had been paid off, repaired, and placed back into revenue service. A notorious example is Rutland 7999, ex-CN 260496, wrecked on the Larrabee Point floating bridge into Lake Champlain, paid off, fished out, refurbished, and placed back in service as the only SS boxcar on the roster. I agree with Ted that this car is not a 1932 ARA boxcar. However, the car clearly has flat, uncorrugated ends. It appears to be taller than the adjacent SS boxcars, so that would eliminate a PRR Class X29 or 1923 proposed ARA steel boxcar. (Entering assumption is the SS cars would be 8 ft 7 IH or taller, which would make an X29 the same height or shorter than the other two cars.) Therefore, this car is likely either a car rebuilt from the automobile car variant of the PRR Class X29/1923 proposed ARA steel boxcar design or one of the rare taller boxcars based on this design. We can probably eliminate the HPT&D 10 ft IH boxcars as they were (a) built with unusual carbuilders doors and (b) would be markedly taller the surrounding cars. http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/hptd424main.html So this goes back to the rebuilt automobile cars (examples: PRR Class X28, N&W Class BPA, CNJ) converted to general service boxcars, which neither L&A nor L&N originally owned. http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=x28a.gif&fr=cl https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns046 So back to my theory that this is a wrecked car that was placed back into revenue service: Prototype Modeler ran a “Mystery Car” photo series early during its run. After they published the Jack Amerine/Jeff Freeman X29 article, they ran a photo of a car that appeared to be an X29 on an ATSF RIP track relettered KCM&O, but with other lettering corresponding to an N&W boxcar. The question posed by the editor was “why do we have a car lettered KCM&O years after they were merged into the Santa Fe?” Subsequent correspondence posed the theory that a N&W boxcar was appropriated to replace a lost or retired KCM&O car in work service for some reason. Examination of the photo shows details consistent with a N&W Class BPA rebuild. I recommend going back into the L&A ORER listings looking for a one-off boxcar with dimensions consistent with one of these rebuilt automobile boxcars, with a check for a car consistent with PRR Class X29 in case my taller car assessment is incorrect. Ben Hom
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Re: Ann Arbor Boxcar
Dan
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You're right, on both counts. ALMOST. :-) Tim
No Tim, --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Auto Parts Boxcars
Steven N.
Gotta admit that I'm not all that familiar with 50' auto parts boxcars, especially for road names that I'm not all that knowledgable about. I was able to get my hands on a early 1965 ( I know it doesn't exactly fit into the timeline here, but I'm sure the rolling stock does) wheel report for the Milwaukee Road. One such paper I received included cars for the GM and Fisher Body auto plant in Janesville, WI.
Without getting every book (and not positive that they would contain any info) on rolling stock for each railroad; I was wondering if anyone might know what cars these might be and possibly anything in HO scale that would closely resemble them? As a Milwaukee Road modeler, I'm not all that familiar with cars during that time frame and earlier. The later generation of 60' and 86' cars yes.... 50' cars and smaller, not so much. Anyways here goes a few examples of the large percentage of cars on the list - NYC 407xx, 405xx BO 2996xx, 2924xx, 166xxx C/O 278xx, 289xx, 282xx 196xx GTW 596xxx, 599xxx 595xxx Any idea what class of cars these were? Any online sources dedicated to early auto parts boxcars? If I do have to purchase a few books, are there any out there that you would recommend that goes into detail to better understand the GM and Fisher Body cars? Thanks and appreciate the help.
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Re: [Proto-Layouts] Time to call in Columbo?
sailsman@att.net
The car looks too tall to be an x-29 copy.
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On Oct 26, 2018, at 11:27 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
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Re: Ann Arbor Boxcar
Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
The hand brake itself is a variation of Miner's 3290/3290-X/3290-XL or one of the predecessor Miner worm gear hand brakes. The hand wheel may be an early Miner 24" diameter wheel. If it is the Miner 24" wheel then the hand brake is most likely a predecessor to the 3290 series of hand brakes.
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Re: Ann Arbor Boxcar
No Tim,
That wheel is a 24" Miner wheel. Ann Arbor used Miner Hand Brakes almost exclusively. Dan Smith
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Re: Rapido
I ordered one at that price from the NP Historical
Association. They have a version with no road number, in addition to the
others.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 10:22 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido Discounts help a lot. I got three at $37.50 each (a 25% discount) from HO Hobbies.
Nelson Moyer
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main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jon Miller
I received my Rapido NP boxcars and they are very nice. Notice from their site that they are totally sold out of all including the unpainted. Don't know how many but I find it interesting that a $50 (msrp) was totally sold out. -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User SPROG User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Rapido
Jon Miller
On 10/26/2018 8:21 AM, Nelson Moyer
wrote:
Discounts help a lot. I got three at $37.50 each (a 25% discount) from HO Hobbies. We use the same dealer. I
got 4 but found it interesting that a high
end RTR freight car now has a $50 (msrp). -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User SPROG User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: [Proto-Layouts] Time to call in Columbo?
Eric Hansmann
About a decade ago I was researching the 1926 Western Maryland freight boxcar fleet and found some anomalies. There were three cars with dimensions that did not match up with anything on the roster. Through conversations with Larry Kline we determined these odd ball cars were replacement boxcars from other railroads where a WM car was destroyed in an accident. IIRC, one replacement was a double-sheathed car of C&NW origin while another was a Fowler design car. We did not find any images of these cars in service but I did notice a Fowler design car deep in a 1927 panoramic photo. It was being used as a shed in the Elkins yard.
Possibly the car in question is an L&A boxcar but not one that followed any of their fleet as it was a replacement from another road for a lost car.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
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Proto-Layouts@groups.io [mailto:Proto-Layouts@groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty
McGuirk
Thought I'd seek the help of all the freight car identifiers who seem to be out in force this week at solving what's proven to be a stubborn mystery.
See this link for my Steam Freight Car blog post for the photos: https://steamerafreightcars.blogspot.com/
Here's the text of the post:
The lead photo in this post is one of a series of shots showing a single Central Vermont freight. To date, I've managed to identify all the cars in this train, and have completed or started models of all of them with one exception. The pedigree of the car to the far right of the photo above has proven remarkably stubborn to uncover (it's shown in a cropped shot below). I'd love to be able to identify this particular car. At one point thought I had. At this point I'm open to any and all suggestions and thoughts as to what it might be.
Later that day I was thrilled when located an Atlas 1932 ARA car painted L&A for sale at a hobby shop in Wisconsin. Things were going well - too well as shortly after Ted Culotta rained on my parade when he pointed out it doesn't have a tabbed side sill like the L&A prototypes. Ted continued "I have this photo, too, and tried my best to determine the provenance of the car, but came up empty looking at my L&A and KCS freight car photos. I am stumped, but I'll keep digging..." Perhaps the first initial isn't an "L" at all - but Ted and I have both done high-res enlargements of this photo and it certainly looks like an "L" with a space and another single letter. I fully admit it's some sort of obsessive behavior to be trying to identify an otherwise nondescript boxcar from more than a half century ago. But that's prototype modeling.... Thought I'd throw it out on the table here and see what the collective believes this car to might be.
Thanks in advance,
Marty McGuirk
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