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Re: Early RPM Efforts

Rossiter, Mark W <Mark.Rossiter@...>
 

Al, I meant no disrespect in my comments on your NYC hopper kit.  I purchased and successfully assembled many of your boxcar kits made of the same material.  It was the scale thickness of the carbody walls on the hopper car that caused me the most angst.  Visually, they looked awesome.  They just didn’t hold up to repeat handling.  I also struggled with how to add the proper weight to the car.  Having said that, the instructions and prototype background information provided was light years ahead of any other kits on the market at the time.

 

I don’t recall which local hobby shop I purchased the kit from (they are all long gone now), but whichever one it was made no mention of your replacement policy nor did they remove any of the original kits from their shelves.  I suspect they felt it wasn’t worth the effort, especially if purchasers such as I didn’t complain about them.  I remember thinking at the time that my modeling skills were just not up to the task yet.  That didn’t stop me from buying lots of other Westerfield kits, just not hoppers.

 

Mark Rossiter   

 

 

 


Re: In defense of the blue box

 

Today I would be unable to assemble a Westerfield kit.  I have pretty severe hand tremors and poor close-up eye sight.  That hasn’t stopped me from building an operations layout here in Tucson.  I’m using all blue box type cars, which I can still assemble.  I bought a bunch of late stem era freight cars at swap meets and brought them up to NMRA standards, even if only one side is decent.  It was fun working with the same kind of cars I assembled when I was 12 – all metal Roundhouse and stamped metal Athearn.    Instead of heavy steam I once ran, everything is DCC early diesel that I don’t have to fine tune.  Everything is a compromise but I’m adapting.  I call it geezer modeling. – Al Westerfield  

 

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From: Doc Bond
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 6:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] In defense of the blue box

 

Hi Tim,
  Interesting article. I would change "mediocrity" to "good enough". We all have our levels of good enough... just have to accept what we are comfortable with... it does change with time. I have a more acceptance of good enough as I get older. Life is finite after all.

Gordon spalty

 


Re: In defense of the blue box

 

Hi Tim,
  Interesting article. I would change "mediocrity" to "good enough". We all have our levels of good enough... just have to accept what we are comfortable with... it does change with time. I have a more acceptance of good enough as I get older. Life is finite after all.

Gordon spalty


Re: Prototype drawings/photos help needed

Eric Hansmann
 

Sorry for a late thought on this but the RPM got in the way.

 

I suspect the B&O ventilated M-14 car could be built by modifying the M-13 kit with vents and scratchbuilt ventilated doors.

 

There were 483 M-14 and M-14a cars listed in the October 1926 ORER.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro. TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 7:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Prototype drawings/photos help needed

 

These were built by the Ralston Steel Car Company and no drawings were preserved. There is a builders photo on the Columbus Railroad web site.

http://www.columbusrailroads.com/new/?menu=06Industry&submenu=10Ralston_Steel_Car_Co
Under 1910:

There is a little more information on the Westerfield web site: https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=99_447

These cars were similar to the B&O M-12 especially the riveted fishbelly underframe which were based upon the PRR class XL and built when the PRR controlled the B&O.

Bob Witt


Re: In defense of the blue box

Dave Owens
 

I've been working on a couple of freight cars -- steam era, mind you
-- a building and some vehicles.
And I have reached the conclusion that I am truly mediocre.
But I'm still having fun.
I do aspire to do models like Bill Welch, Brian Banna, Mal Houck, Neil
Schofield and so many others, but I'm a long way off.
Dave Owens
Muddling along in West Hartford, Connecticut

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 4:42 PM naptownprr <jhunter@iupui.edu> wrote:

Tim,

Bravo! I have always assumed that we do model trains for fun! And I agree that not every model has to be a museum piece. If I approached it that way, I'd never get around to building my layout.

Jim Hunter
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 3:24 PM
To: stmfc; bbfcl@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] In defense of the blue box

Some light reading... and yet I hope it strikes a good chord. I still assemble
blue box kits and I get a kick out of it. :-) Not every model needs to be a museum
piece.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/29/opinion/sunday/in-praise-of-mediocrity.html

Tim O'Connor



--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*






Re: In defense of the blue box

naptownprr
 

Tim,

Bravo! I have always assumed that we do model trains for fun! And I agree that not every model has to be a museum piece. If I approached it that way, I'd never get around to building my layout.

Jim Hunter
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 3:24 PM
To: stmfc; bbfcl@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] In defense of the blue box

Some light reading... and yet I hope it strikes a good chord. I still assemble
blue box kits and I get a kick out of it. :-) Not every model needs to be a museum
piece.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/29/opinion/sunday/in-praise-of-mediocrity.html

Tim O'Connor



--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


In defense of the blue box

Tim O'Connor
 

Some light reading... and yet I hope it strikes a good chord. I still assemble
blue box kits and I get a kick out of it. :-) Not every model needs to be a museum
piece.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/29/opinion/sunday/in-praise-of-mediocrity.html

Tim O'Connor



--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Early RPM Efforts

Tim O'Connor
 


I operate on the RPI layout twice a year, and almost every scene on the layout is
taken from the prototype, thanks largely to John Nehrich's outstanding reproductions
of prototypical buildings and industries. It just gets better and better. And the
school even gave us our own private entrance a couple of years ago (a dorm security
measure). The op sessions always include a number of students too, so hopefully the
layout will continue for a long time to come.

I've built those early Westerfield kits. I had a side break like glass - but the
fracture was so clean that I glued it back together, and it was invisible.

Tim O'Connor


Dan and friends, yes the NEB&W was a fictitious railroad, but in addition to the modeled prototype scenes you mentioned, the motive power and rolling stock was based on Rutland and D&H prototypes.  It was largely the John Nehrich, Jeff English, Todd Sullivan and Andy Claremont articles in MR and RMC in the early 1980’s on how to turn the available kits of the day into more correct models of actual prototypes that opened my eyes to a whole new world of modeling.  Once the Storzek Rutland and NYC box car kits hit the market, followed by the NEB&W ‘green dot’ kits, I was hooked on resin kits.  The first Westerfield kit I bought was a NYC hopper made of the dark gray casting material.  Assembling that kit was like trying to glue potato chips together.  Every time I touched it something else broke.  It is still partially finished in a box somewhere in my basement.  It was my first experience with scale thickness walls on a freight car kit.
 
Mark Rossiter       

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: RPM Chicagoland Photos

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

Dennis.

That is quite likely.

As I said “I could very well be wrong.” And I meant that as I often am, especially since joying the “Geezer agers” (Golden Agers? Still waiting for that).

The layout I visited was in a second story of a somewhat ramshackle appearing building in downtown Batavia. Not being of svelte proportions in those days (nor now for that matter) I suspiciously eyed the outdoor stairs and balcony we used to enter the 2nd floor. But once inside he scene was, for me at least, amazing.

While the main line cabs were on the same level as we were, the layout was one floor down.

The layout made extensive use of scenic dividers so anyone on the operating floor could only view their immediate area. All the local and/or switching run were on that using walk around controls.

I recall that the club was about the most popular destination used for the annual bus trip.  

Any earlier layout I was before my time with the WISE Division.

John Hagen

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 9:49 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RPM Chicagoland Photos

 

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:01 PM, John Hagen wrote:

I remember the Batavia walk around layout well. I can’t believe it was 1974 that it was torn down though.

John,
If you are addressing my post, I believe you misinterpreted what I said, which was the G-C club layout I was familiar with in high school was torn down in 1974. That date from their web site. I dropped my membership about 1970 when I had to go out and work for a living :-(

The Batavia club was still going strong through the eighties, IIRC.

Dennis (two n's) Storzek


Re: Early RPM Efforts

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Al and List Members,
 
Al wrote: "One modeler complained to another that my ad should have showed the model, not the prototype.  It was the model"
 
Indeed, the highest of compliments!
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Early RPM Efforts

Mark – For about 15 years we willing replaced those castings  for urethane at no charge for anyone who requested it.  To get the old kits off hobby shop shelves, we notified every shop on out lists that we would replace entire kits if they returned the originals.  Surprisingly, few did.

 

But I received my greatest compliment over that kit.  One modeler complained to another that my ad should have showed the model, not the prototype.  It was the model.

 

  • Al Westerfield

 

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From: Rossiter, Mark W
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 3:00 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Early RPM Efforts

 

Dan and friends, yes the NEB&W was a fictitious railroad, but in addition to the modeled prototype scenes you mentioned, the motive power and rolling stock was based on Rutland and D&H prototypes.  It was largely the John Nehrich, Jeff English, Todd Sullivan and Andy Claremont articles in MR and RMC in the early 1980’s on how to turn the available kits of the day into more correct models of actual prototypes that opened my eyes to a whole new world of modeling.  Once the Storzek Rutland and NYC box car kits hit the market, followed by the NEB&W ‘green dot’ kits, I was hooked on resin kits.  The first Westerfield kit I bought was a NYC hopper made of the dark gray casting material.  Assembling that kit was like trying to glue potato chips together.  Every time I touched it something else broke.  It is still partially finished in a box somewhere in my basement.  It was my first experience with scale thickness walls on a freight car kit.

 

Mark Rossiter        

 

 



Re: Early RPM Efforts

 

Mark – For about 15 years we willing replaced those castings  for urethane at no charge for anyone who requested it.  To get the old kits off hobby shop shelves, we notified every shop on out lists that we would replace entire kits if they returned the originals.  Surprisingly, few did.

 

But I received my greatest compliment over that kit.  One modeler complained to another that my ad should have showed the model, not the prototype.  It was the model.

 

  • Al Westerfield

 

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From: Rossiter, Mark W
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 3:00 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Early RPM Efforts

 

Dan and friends, yes the NEB&W was a fictitious railroad, but in addition to the modeled prototype scenes you mentioned, the motive power and rolling stock was based on Rutland and D&H prototypes.  It was largely the John Nehrich, Jeff English, Todd Sullivan and Andy Claremont articles in MR and RMC in the early 1980’s on how to turn the available kits of the day into more correct models of actual prototypes that opened my eyes to a whole new world of modeling.  Once the Storzek Rutland and NYC box car kits hit the market, followed by the NEB&W ‘green dot’ kits, I was hooked on resin kits.  The first Westerfield kit I bought was a NYC hopper made of the dark gray casting material.  Assembling that kit was like trying to glue potato chips together.  Every time I touched it something else broke.  It is still partially finished in a box somewhere in my basement.  It was my first experience with scale thickness walls on a freight car kit.

 

Mark Rossiter        

 

 


Re: RPM Chicagoland Photos

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:01 PM, John Hagen wrote:
I remember the Batavia walk around layout well. I can’t believe it was 1974 that it was torn down though.
John,
If you are addressing my post, I believe you misinterpreted what I said, which was the G-C club layout I was familiar with in high school was torn down in 1974. That date from their web site. I dropped my membership about 1970 when I had to go out and work for a living :-(

The Batavia club was still going strong through the eighties, IIRC.

Dennis (two n's) Storzek


Re: Intermountain PFE Roof Color Variation Between Runs

Jerry Michels
 

Thanks Tony.  Jerry


RPM Chicagoland wrap-up

Eric Hansmann
 

I've posted a summary of the recent RPM Chicagoland event on the Resin Car Works blog. Links to galleries and other blog posts covering the event are included.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/rpm-chicagoland-wrap-up/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Early RPM Efforts

Rossiter, Mark W <Mark.Rossiter@...>
 

Dan and friends, yes the NEB&W was a fictitious railroad, but in addition to the modeled prototype scenes you mentioned, the motive power and rolling stock was based on Rutland and D&H prototypes.  It was largely the John Nehrich, Jeff English, Todd Sullivan and Andy Claremont articles in MR and RMC in the early 1980’s on how to turn the available kits of the day into more correct models of actual prototypes that opened my eyes to a whole new world of modeling.  Once the Storzek Rutland and NYC box car kits hit the market, followed by the NEB&W ‘green dot’ kits, I was hooked on resin kits.  The first Westerfield kit I bought was a NYC hopper made of the dark gray casting material.  Assembling that kit was like trying to glue potato chips together.  Every time I touched it something else broke.  It is still partially finished in a box somewhere in my basement.  It was my first experience with scale thickness walls on a freight car kit.

 

Mark Rossiter        

 


good film

 

I just watched an excellent railroad drama: By Whose Hand (1932), which takes place almost entirely on an SP train from LA to SF.  It’s a passenger train, so please forgive me.  But I’ve never seen a film that more accurately portrays the prototype, inside and out.  You can watch and download it from YouTube.  – Al Westerfield

 

 


Re: RPM Chicagoland Photos

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

Denis,

I remember the Batavia walk around layout well. I can’t believe it was 1974 that it was torn down though.

Of course, I have CRS so I can be very well be wrong but the two times I saw it were on WISE Div, bus tours, typically held in May, and I do not think I took any of them earlier than 1983. I wasn’t even aware they held their September – April or May meets until 1982.

Anyway, it was what I considered to be a really neat set up. On one of the tours some of us got to operate a walk around train with a club member for a bit. I was saddened when the layout was demolished.

John hagen


Re: Resin casting - the view from here

bigfourroad
 

Tom
Everyone innovates in their own way and I regard you as an innovator -- last night I affixed an S scale version of your dirt collector valve to the K style brake system on 3rd Fowler boxcar in a mini-run of four. On the C&NW Fowlers these distinctive valves hung down quite noticeably from below the K brake cylinder.  There would be a void there but for your innovation in producing an HO version of that valve in 3D print form and providing the STL to me for up-scaling to S.  I must confess I don't know how you can see and work with them in HO but that's another matter.
Please accept my condolences on the loss of Mrs. Madden and my wishes that you may have many additional years of innovation ahead of you.
Chris Rooney


Re: Resin casting - the view from here

maynard stowe
 

Peter,

One ready source of smaller quantities of casting supplies is metal casting pattern making suppliers. Freeman is one such but there are others. You can also look for design bureaus and ask them who they use. Even in this day of 3 D every thing that are still many around, and most can help you find what you are looking for.
Maynard Stowe

On Oct 23, 2018, at 12:27 PM, Peter Ness <prness@...> wrote:

Hi Tom,
 
Thanks for sharing and raising memories.  I will plead mea culpa now since I have not become innovator, guiding light or even two-bit contributor to resin casting at the commercial level.
 
When you mentioned the Dow or GE rep it reminded me that decades ago I worked at the corporate labs of the now defunct GTE Sylvania. At that time I  did not even have a business card since I was a Technician.  However, part of my job was to prepare test specimens for thermal shock and tensile testing. The test material happened to be epoxy for encapsulation of large power transformers to replace the use of hazardous material coolants.  I cast the test samples in Dow Corning 3110 RTV.
 
Back in the day, distributors would take orders from regular folks so I ordered a kit that included a 1lb can and a tube of curing agent. For my first attempt I used a cast metal flat car end as a master, then the end of an Alco RS-11 hood for the number board detail. I made my own master of a Lionel caboose running board so I could repair a car I bought at estate auction.  For a couple of years I used it to make a variety of small parts using any 2-part epoxy compound I could buy at the hardware store.  No investment in experimentation there, and it showed sometimes!
 
I was having moderate success and envisioned larger projects so ordered a carton – eight 1lb cans IIRC.  It was a large cash investment for a young married guy with a bunch of kids, wife and mortgage. Then life overtook any hobby activities for quite some time and about three years ago, after a couple of moves I finally opened the carton (after building some masters) only to find it had sufficient time to self-vulcanize over the intervening years…so much for my casting career.  Now I am not able to locate any distributors except for commercial sales and they want a Purchase Order to boot.  I am sure there are also much more suitable molding materials today, but I really liked that Dow 3110 RTV!
 
Anyway, thanks for the memories!
 
Peter Ness


Re: RPM Chicagoland Photos

George Courtney
 

I think John Armstrong's track plan called "The Flying Horseshoe" in MR about 1953 was the first I'd seen with a sincere, once around,plan with John's then idea's on walk around control.

George Courtney

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