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Re: RPM Chicagoland Photos

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Tim, I suspect that your kits were a later run. The earlier run was identical to the ones shown. One kit that was not shown was the Soo Line caboose that Dennis did, which in addition to being a very nice kit (as all of Dennis’s kits were) had the correct trucks. I am afraid that these kits remain highly desirable among the Soo Line modelers. The later injection plastic version that was sold under the Centralia Car name did not include trucks. 

Bill Daniels


On Oct 26, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Cool. I've never seen them marked that way. My kits were "Des Plaines Valley".

Tim O'Connor



These showed up in the store from a collection:

Bill Dixon

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: 55 Ton Fishbelly Hopper Cars

Benjamin Hom
 

David Payne asked:
"Does anyone have a list of owners of the subject hopper car; specifically, one with flat ends (for all I know, they may all have had flat ends)."

Anthony Wagner replied:
"Off the top of my head circa 1950: RDG, CNJ, D&H, LV, WM, and N&W. AFIK only the N&W cars had peaked ends. In later years some of these cars moved to other RRs secondhand."

Be advised that not all of these cars are the same dimensionally, with 29 ft and 30 ft 6 in inside length variations.  Additionally, the Western Maryland built larger capacity versions of these cars in the late 1950s.  Don't assume the Stewart/Bowser model will cover all of these cars - there's still a use for the Ulrich model and a need to scratchbuild or find an old RailRoad Progress scratchbuild in a box for the later WM cars.


Ben Hom


Re: 55 Ton Fishbelly Hopper Cars

anthony wagner
 

Off the top of my head circa 1950: RDG, CNJ, D&H, LV, WM, and N&W. AFIK only the N&W cars had peaked ends. In later years some of these cars moved to other RRs secondhand. Tony Wagner


On Friday, October 26, 2018 11:43 AM, David Payne via Groups.Io <davidcofga@...> wrote:




Does anyone have a list of owners of the subject hopper car; specifically, one with flat ends (for all I know, they may all have had flat ends).
Thank you!
David Payne





55 Ton Fishbelly Hopper Cars

David Payne
 



Does anyone have a list of owners of the subject hopper car; specifically, one with flat ends (for all I know, they may all have had flat ends).
Thank you!
David Payne



Re: Ann Arbor Boxcar

 

Tim,

I did say almost. The Ajax on this car is almost certainly a replacement hand brake wheel and gear.
Zooming in as best I can, can't see the release lever or if it has one. That would tell a lot on age of
Ajax housing. Definitely not original to time period of those ends. No full top flange.

Gene, go back and look at photos of AA boxcars. Really early versions of Miner hand brakes and going
to the Double A historical group might be useful to find photos of early Miners, a low production hand
brake in the early power hand brake era as you know. And they evolved quickly early on.

Finding an available version of the 24" Miner wheel ( 2 versions ) is high on my list. Associated gear would
be a bonus.

Dan Smith


Re: Time to call in Columbo?

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Isn't it taller than a 1932 ARA box?  Looks to be about 9" taller than the box next to the pusher.  And while the reporting mark does look like L&A, there's something extra on the "L" so maybe it is a worn off B.  Comparing the format of the end reporting marks might direct you to the right road.


Scott Chatfield


Re: ResinFreightCarBuilders

earlyrail
 

Was Virginia Foundry & Model Works mentioned?
Granted that most of their cars were from before this list, but many covered the early years of the list
Mostly covered and advertised in the Earlyrail list

Howard Garner


Re: Time to call in Columbo?

Herb Biegel
 


Re: Rapido NP boxcar, K brake question

Eric Hansmann
 

Yes. I got a four-pack of the Pre-War cars. Three of them will be sent to others modeling the 1920s and 1930s. Out of the box, these models look downright amazing.

 

In a quick overview I noticed a couple of things.

 

- The models have a 1937 reweigh date. NP lettering was spartan so a paint out and a 1925 or 1926 reweigh date will be an easy fix.

- The stencil on the air reservoir on the brake casting is upside down, which made me chuckle. It's hard to read as it is.

- The model has two grabs on the left end of the car sides. The uppermost grab will need to be removed for a pre-1930 appearance. Rapido only had one basic version made and used different paint and lettering styles.

- The models are equipped with a metal Kadee-like coupler that I will change out to a preferred Accurail Proto:HO coupler.

- The wheels will need to be painted.

 

 

I was told at RPM Chicagoland that the basic car represents the rebuilt version so the sheathing is not reflective of the original center-bead board. This is difficult to see at a 12-inch view. It will be a pretty quick addition to my 1926 fleet.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alexander Schneider Jr
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 11:26 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido NP boxcar, K brake question

 

I received mine, and I have a question about the K brake system. I don’t see any connection between the lever on the “A” end and the rest of the system. My 1928 Car Builders Cyclopedia shows a connecting rod between the two levers. I can’t imagine it would be between the underframe channels. Any ideas?

 

Alex Schneider

 

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Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] [Proto-Layouts] Time to call in Columbo?

Ted Culotta
 

I think my last guess was secondhand X28 or tall Reading USRA design steel box car.


On Oct 26, 2018, at 11:52 AM, sailsman@... <Sailsman@...> wrote:

The car looks too tall to be an x-29 copy.

Travers,   10-27-18

On Oct 26, 2018, at 11:27 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

About a decade ago I was researching the 1926 Western Maryland freight boxcar fleet and found some anomalies. There were three cars with dimensions that did not match up with anything on the roster. Through conversations with Larry Kline we determined these odd ball cars were replacement boxcars from other railroads where a WM car was destroyed in an accident. IIRC, one replacement was a double-sheathed car of C&NW origin while another was a Fowler design car. We did not find any images of these cars in service but I did notice a Fowler design car deep in a 1927 panoramic photo. It was being used as a shed in the Elkins yard.

 

Possibly the car in question is an L&A boxcar but not one that followed any of their fleet as it was a replacement from another road for a lost car.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 


From: Proto-Layouts@groups.io [mailto:Proto-Layouts@groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty McGuirk
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 7:54 AM
To: realstmfc@groups.io; Proto-Layouts@groups.io; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
Subject: [Proto-Layouts] Time to call in Columbo?

 

Thought I'd seek the help of all the freight car identifiers who seem to be out in force this week at solving what's proven to be a stubborn mystery. 



See this link for my Steam Freight Car blog post for the photos:

https://steamerafreightcars.blogspot.com/

 

Here's the text of the post: 



The lead photo in this post is one of a series of shots showing a single Central Vermont freight. To date, I've managed to identify all the cars in this train, and have completed or started models of all of them with one exception. 

The pedigree of the car to the far right of the photo above has proven remarkably stubborn to uncover (it's shown in a cropped shot below). 

I'd love to be able to identify this particular car. At one point thought I had. At this point I'm open to any and all suggestions and thoughts as to what it might be. 


Here's what I do know:

  • Based on the other cars, and some clues on the locomotives (there are two the road engine and the helper shown above cut in to the train) we know this photo was taken just after WWII (sometime between 1946-1950 or so). The end is certainly a flat plate end on the car in question - with what looks like a roof recessed slightly from the end. 
  • The reporting marks look like they start with an "L."
  • Lettering is clearly serif (ie., "Railroad Roman")
  • Car number appears to be 5 digits - first number has a strong vertical element - perhaps a "1", "4", or even a "7".
  • I thought at first the reporting marks were "L & N", but couldn't locate any L&N cars that matched the other spotting features shown. 
  • I thoughtat one point it may be an Louisiana & Arkansas 1932 ARA car, since the ends certainly look like they would be a match to those cars. 

Later that day I was thrilled when located an Atlas 1932 ARA car painted L&A for sale at a hobby shop in Wisconsin. Things were going well - too well as shortly after Ted Culotta rained on my parade when he pointed out it doesn't have a tabbed side sill like the L&A prototypes. 

Ted continued "I have this photo, too, and tried my best to determine the provenance of the car, but came up empty looking at my L&A and KCS freight car photos. I am stumped, but I'll keep digging..."

Perhaps the first initial isn't an "L" at all - but Ted and I have both done high-res enlargements of this photo and it certainly looks like an "L" with a space and another single letter. 

I fully admit it's some sort of obsessive behavior to be trying to identify an otherwise nondescript boxcar from more than a half century ago. But that's prototype modeling....

Thought I'd throw it out on the table here and see what the collective believes this car to might be. 



Thanks in advance, 



Marty McGuirk 


Re: [Proto-Layouts] Time to call in Columbo?

Benjamin Hom
 

Travers Stravac wrote:
"The car looks too tall to be an x-29 copy."

First, NO DASHES IN PRR CAR CLASSES. 

I agree; however, this puts the automobile car versions of PRR Class X29/1923 proposed ARA steel boxcar (ex: PRR Class X28A, B&O Class M-27A, N&W Class BPA, CNJ) into the realm of possibilities.


Ben Hom


Re: [Proto-Layouts] Time to call in Columbo?

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O’Connor wrote:
"’Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.’
I vote for L&A. Improbable, perhaps. Impossible? No.”
 
https://steamerafreightcars.blogspot.com/ 
Another unlikely but plausible possibility is a wrecked car that had been paid off, repaired, and placed back into revenue service.  A notorious example is Rutland 7999, ex-CN 260496, wrecked on the Larrabee Point floating
bridge into Lake Champlain, paid off, fished out, refurbished, and placed back in service as the only SS boxcar on the roster.

I agree with Ted that this car is not a 1932 ARA boxcar.  However, the car clearly has flat, uncorrugated ends.  It appears to be taller than the adjacent SS boxcars, so that would eliminate a PRR Class X29 or 1923 proposed ARA steel boxcar.  (Entering assumption is the SS cars would be 8 ft 7 IH or taller, which would make an X29 the same height or shorter than the other two cars.)   Therefore, this car is likely either a car rebuilt from the automobile car variant of the PRR Class X29/1923 proposed ARA steel boxcar design or one of the rare taller boxcars based on this design.  We can probably eliminate the HPT&D 10 ft IH boxcars as they were (a) built with unusual carbuilders doors and (b) would be markedly taller the surrounding cars.
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/hptd424main.html 
 
So this goes back to the rebuilt automobile cars (examples: PRR Class X28, N&W Class BPA, CNJ) converted to general service boxcars, which neither L&A nor L&N originally owned.
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=x28a.gif&fr=cl  
https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns046 
 
So back to my theory that this is a wrecked car that was placed back into revenue service: Prototype Modeler ran a “Mystery Car” photo series early during its run.  After they published the Jack Amerine/Jeff Freeman X29 article, they ran a photo of a car that appeared to be an X29 on an ATSF RIP track relettered KCM&O, but with other lettering corresponding to an N&W boxcar.  The question posed by the editor was “why do we have a car lettered KCM&O years after they were merged into the Santa Fe?”  Subsequent correspondence posed the theory that a N&W boxcar was appropriated to replace a lost or retired KCM&O car in work service for some reason.  Examination of the photo shows details consistent with a N&W Class BPA rebuild.
 
I recommend going back into the L&A ORER listings looking for a one-off boxcar with dimensions consistent with one of these rebuilt automobile boxcars, with a check for a car consistent with PRR Class X29 in case my taller car assessment is incorrect.
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: Ann Arbor Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 

Dan

You're right, on both counts. ALMOST. :-)

Tim




No Tim,

That wheel is a 24" Miner wheel. Ann Arbor used Miner Hand Brakes almost exclusively.

Dan Smith

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Auto Parts Boxcars

Steven N.
 

Gotta admit that I'm not all that familiar with 50' auto parts boxcars, especially for road names that I'm not all that knowledgable about.  I was able to get my hands on a early 1965 ( I know it doesn't exactly fit into the timeline here, but I'm sure the rolling stock does) wheel report for the Milwaukee Road.  One such paper I received included cars for the GM and Fisher Body auto plant in Janesville, WI.

Without getting every book (and not positive that they would contain any info) on rolling stock for each railroad; I was wondering if anyone might know what cars these might be and possibly anything in HO scale that would closely resemble them? As a Milwaukee Road modeler, I'm not all that familiar with cars during that time frame and earlier.  The later generation of 60' and 86' cars yes.... 50' cars and smaller, not so much.

Anyways here goes a few examples of the large percentage of cars on the list -

NYC 407xx, 405xx
BO 2996xx, 2924xx, 166xxx
C/O 278xx, 289xx, 282xx 196xx
GTW 596xxx, 599xxx 595xxx

Any idea what class of cars these were?  Any online sources dedicated to early auto parts boxcars?  If I do have to purchase a few books, are there any out there that you would recommend that goes into detail to better understand the GM and Fisher Body cars?  

Thanks and appreciate the help.


Re: [Proto-Layouts] Time to call in Columbo?

sailsman@att.net
 

The car looks too tall to be an x-29 copy.

Travers,   10-27-18

On Oct 26, 2018, at 11:27 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

About a decade ago I was researching the 1926 Western Maryland freight boxcar fleet and found some anomalies. There were three cars with dimensions that did not match up with anything on the roster. Through conversations with Larry Kline we determined these odd ball cars were replacement boxcars from other railroads where a WM car was destroyed in an accident. IIRC, one replacement was a double-sheathed car of C&NW origin while another was a Fowler design car. We did not find any images of these cars in service but I did notice a Fowler design car deep in a 1927 panoramic photo. It was being used as a shed in the Elkins yard.

 

Possibly the car in question is an L&A boxcar but not one that followed any of their fleet as it was a replacement from another road for a lost car.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 


From: Proto-Layouts@groups.io [mailto:Proto-Layouts@groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty McGuirk
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 7:54 AM
To: realstmfc@groups.io; Proto-Layouts@groups.io; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
Subject: [Proto-Layouts] Time to call in Columbo?

 

Thought I'd seek the help of all the freight car identifiers who seem to be out in force this week at solving what's proven to be a stubborn mystery. 



See this link for my Steam Freight Car blog post for the photos:

https://steamerafreightcars.blogspot.com/

 

Here's the text of the post: 



The lead photo in this post is one of a series of shots showing a single Central Vermont freight. To date, I've managed to identify all the cars in this train, and have completed or started models of all of them with one exception. 

The pedigree of the car to the far right of the photo above has proven remarkably stubborn to uncover (it's shown in a cropped shot below). 

I'd love to be able to identify this particular car. At one point thought I had. At this point I'm open to any and all suggestions and thoughts as to what it might be. 


Here's what I do know:

  • Based on the other cars, and some clues on the locomotives (there are two the road engine and the helper shown above cut in to the train) we know this photo was taken just after WWII (sometime between 1946-1950 or so). The end is certainly a flat plate end on the car in question - with what looks like a roof recessed slightly from the end. 
  • The reporting marks look like they start with an "L."
  • Lettering is clearly serif (ie., "Railroad Roman")
  • Car number appears to be 5 digits - first number has a strong vertical element - perhaps a "1", "4", or even a "7".
  • I thought at first the reporting marks were "L & N", but couldn't locate any L&N cars that matched the other spotting features shown. 
  • I thoughtat one point it may be an Louisiana & Arkansas 1932 ARA car, since the ends certainly look like they would be a match to those cars. 

Later that day I was thrilled when located an Atlas 1932 ARA car painted L&A for sale at a hobby shop in Wisconsin. Things were going well - too well as shortly after Ted Culotta rained on my parade when he pointed out it doesn't have a tabbed side sill like the L&A prototypes. 

Ted continued "I have this photo, too, and tried my best to determine the provenance of the car, but came up empty looking at my L&A and KCS freight car photos. I am stumped, but I'll keep digging..."

Perhaps the first initial isn't an "L" at all - but Ted and I have both done high-res enlargements of this photo and it certainly looks like an "L" with a space and another single letter. 

I fully admit it's some sort of obsessive behavior to be trying to identify an otherwise nondescript boxcar from more than a half century ago. But that's prototype modeling....

Thought I'd throw it out on the table here and see what the collective believes this car to might be. 



Thanks in advance, 



Marty McGuirk 


Re: Ann Arbor Boxcar

Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
 

The hand brake itself is a variation of Miner's 3290/3290-X/3290-XL or one of the predecessor Miner worm gear hand brakes.  The hand wheel may be an early Miner 24" diameter wheel.  If it is the Miner 24" wheel then the hand brake is most likely a predecessor to the 3290 series of hand brakes.


Re: Ann Arbor Boxcar

 

No Tim,

That wheel is a 24" Miner wheel. Ann Arbor used Miner Hand Brakes almost exclusively.

Dan Smith


Re: Rapido

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I ordered one at that price from the NP Historical Association.  They have a version with no road number, in addition to the others.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 10:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido

Discounts help a lot. I got three at $37.50 each (a 25% discount) from HO Hobbies.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jon Miller
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 10:13 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Rapido

 

    I received my Rapido NP boxcars and they are very nice.  Notice from their site that they are totally sold out of all including the unpainted.  Don't know how many but I find it interesting that a $50 (msrp) was totally sold out.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

 


Re: Rapido

Jon Miller
 

On 10/26/2018 8:21 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:
Discounts help a lot. I got three at $37.50 each (a 25% discount) from HO Hobbies.

    We use the same dealer.  I got 4 but found it interesting that a high end RTR freight car now has a $50 (msrp).

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: [Proto-Layouts] Time to call in Columbo?

Eric Hansmann
 

About a decade ago I was researching the 1926 Western Maryland freight boxcar fleet and found some anomalies. There were three cars with dimensions that did not match up with anything on the roster. Through conversations with Larry Kline we determined these odd ball cars were replacement boxcars from other railroads where a WM car was destroyed in an accident. IIRC, one replacement was a double-sheathed car of C&NW origin while another was a Fowler design car. We did not find any images of these cars in service but I did notice a Fowler design car deep in a 1927 panoramic photo. It was being used as a shed in the Elkins yard.

 

Possibly the car in question is an L&A boxcar but not one that followed any of their fleet as it was a replacement from another road for a lost car.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 


From: Proto-Layouts@groups.io [mailto:Proto-Layouts@groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty McGuirk
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 7:54 AM
To: realstmfc@groups.io; Proto-Layouts@groups.io; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
Subject: [Proto-Layouts] Time to call in Columbo?

 

Thought I'd seek the help of all the freight car identifiers who seem to be out in force this week at solving what's proven to be a stubborn mystery. 



See this link for my Steam Freight Car blog post for the photos:

https://steamerafreightcars.blogspot.com/

 

Here's the text of the post: 



The lead photo in this post is one of a series of shots showing a single Central Vermont freight. To date, I've managed to identify all the cars in this train, and have completed or started models of all of them with one exception. 

The pedigree of the car to the far right of the photo above has proven remarkably stubborn to uncover (it's shown in a cropped shot below). 

I'd love to be able to identify this particular car. At one point thought I had. At this point I'm open to any and all suggestions and thoughts as to what it might be. 


Here's what I do know:

  • Based on the other cars, and some clues on the locomotives (there are two the road engine and the helper shown above cut in to the train) we know this photo was taken just after WWII (sometime between 1946-1950 or so). The end is certainly a flat plate end on the car in question - with what looks like a roof recessed slightly from the end. 
  • The reporting marks look like they start with an "L."
  • Lettering is clearly serif (ie., "Railroad Roman")
  • Car number appears to be 5 digits - first number has a strong vertical element - perhaps a "1", "4", or even a "7".
  • I thought at first the reporting marks were "L & N", but couldn't locate any L&N cars that matched the other spotting features shown. 
  • I thoughtat one point it may be an Louisiana & Arkansas 1932 ARA car, since the ends certainly look like they would be a match to those cars. 

Later that day I was thrilled when located an Atlas 1932 ARA car painted L&A for sale at a hobby shop in Wisconsin. Things were going well - too well as shortly after Ted Culotta rained on my parade when he pointed out it doesn't have a tabbed side sill like the L&A prototypes. 

Ted continued "I have this photo, too, and tried my best to determine the provenance of the car, but came up empty looking at my L&A and KCS freight car photos. I am stumped, but I'll keep digging..."

Perhaps the first initial isn't an "L" at all - but Ted and I have both done high-res enlargements of this photo and it certainly looks like an "L" with a space and another single letter. 

I fully admit it's some sort of obsessive behavior to be trying to identify an otherwise nondescript boxcar from more than a half century ago. But that's prototype modeling....

Thought I'd throw it out on the table here and see what the collective believes this car to might be. 



Thanks in advance, 



Marty McGuirk 

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