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Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

Gene Deimling
 

Bill Clouser was a pioneer model maker who mastered the art of casting with aluminum filled epoxy.  He started with flat molds and later cast single piece O scale car bodies.   
Mike O’Connell was an early maker of urethane kits in O scale.  I believe his first kits were produced in the mid-1970s.  His Chooch name has survived longer than nearly everyone else.  

Gene Deimling 


On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

Tim,
 
I suspect that the creator of the poster was thinking of the RPM MEETS as beginning with Sunshine's Naperville gathering.  We know that there were RPM rooms at NMRA nationals prior to 1994 and that the RPM movement was well underway.
 
But this was the 25th Sunshine meet and we were particularly honoring Martin's memory along with those who helped make the huge variety of Sunshine kits for transition era cars.  Martin, himself, would have acknowledged the Al Westerfield helped and encouraged Martin when he was just starting out in the business.
 
I think that Mike Skibbe will be posting the entirety of the slides we used for Friday evenings FOFC panel discussion, but I will attach a slide that I developed that tries to trace the evolution of resin freight car kits.  The line begins in the late 1960's with O scale epoxy resin cars in O scale from Bill Clouser and passes through hybrid type kits, such as WestRail and Roller Bearing Models.  I defined the first generation as the flat kit era, with the second (current) generation being the one piece bodies, along with some sources continuing with first generation technology.
 
Comments are welcome on this.
 
Thanks,
 
Steve Hile


From: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io [mailto:ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 5:30 PM
To: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; stmfc
Subject: Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

Jeremy

Thank you for posting that photo collection.

I must say, I understand a single poster showing the timeline of Railroad Prototype Modeling
is pressed for space... but to mention Sunshine without mentioning WESTERFIELD is to my mind a
huge omission! The RPM movement was already well developed when Sunshine came onto the scene.

And I think the genesis of RPM was not the models, but several important publications! Authors
and scratchbuilders led the way - RPM could never have happened without them.

Tim O'Connor

-------------------------

Greetings,

Here is a link to my photo gallery from this weekend's RPM Chicagoland:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/m6w5uzssH2WUihhq9

And... some video I shot at the show as well:

https://youtu.be/U8mhe5370MQ

Enjoy!

Jeremy Dummler
Wauconda, IL
<Resin Freight Car Kit Evolution.pdf>


Rapido NP boxcar, the small monad and the boxcar red with black roof and ends

O Fenton Wells
 

I had to order 4 and have one left.  It's on ebay if anyone is interested.
Fenton Wells


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Tim,
 
I suspect that the creator of the poster was thinking of the RPM MEETS as beginning with Sunshine's Naperville gathering.  We know that there were RPM rooms at NMRA nationals prior to 1994 and that the RPM movement was well underway.
 
But this was the 25th Sunshine meet and we were particularly honoring Martin's memory along with those who helped make the huge variety of Sunshine kits for transition era cars.  Martin, himself, would have acknowledged the Al Westerfield helped and encouraged Martin when he was just starting out in the business.
 
I think that Mike Skibbe will be posting the entirety of the slides we used for Friday evenings FOFC panel discussion, but I will attach a slide that I developed that tries to trace the evolution of resin freight car kits.  The line begins in the late 1960's with O scale epoxy resin cars in O scale from Bill Clouser and passes through hybrid type kits, such as WestRail and Roller Bearing Models.  I defined the first generation as the flat kit era, with the second (current) generation being the one piece bodies, along with some sources continuing with first generation technology.
 
Comments are welcome on this.
 
Thanks,
 
Steve Hile



From: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io [mailto:ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 5:30 PM
To: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; stmfc
Subject: Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

Jeremy

Thank you for posting that photo collection.

I must say, I understand a single poster showing the timeline of Railroad Prototype Modeling
is pressed for space... but to mention Sunshine without mentioning WESTERFIELD is to my mind a
huge omission! The RPM movement was already well developed when Sunshine came onto the scene.

And I think the genesis of RPM was not the models, but several important publications! Authors
and scratchbuilders led the way - RPM could never have happened without them.

Tim O'Connor

-------------------------

Greetings,

Here is a link to my photo gallery from this weekend's RPM Chicagoland:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/m6w5uzssH2WUihhq9

And... some video I shot at the show as well:

https://youtu.be/U8mhe5370MQ

Enjoy!

Jeremy Dummler
Wauconda, IL


Re: When were Carmer Coupler Levers Outlawed for Interchange

Randy Hammill
 

I thought we just discussed this recently, but found it was on the Plastic Building forum. The discussion also covered top-operating uncoupling levers. This is updated from that discussion:

In the AAR Code of Rules that I have for 1947 it states on pg 18 as part of Rule 3:

"(c)(8) Coupler operating levers of the rotating type handle ... are required on all cars built new or rebuilt on or after August 1, 1933. From owners. Note: It is recommended that when cars built prior to August 1, 1933, receive Class I general repairs and new couplers are applied, that the rotating type handle of uncoupling levers be applied."
 
So far I have not found anything about banning them outright, only that they could not be applied to new or rebuilt cars after that date. Although if I recall, wasn't there a rule banning a car from interchange if it (or maybe its underframe) was more than 40 years old? If so, then that would eliminate them from interchange by 1973. 

As for top operates uncoupling levers, if they were prohibited it was after the extent of my current library. Somebody with access to the AAR Code of Rules for the ‘50s or ‘60s will have to look into that. But here's what I do have readily available:

In the 1945 edition of the AAR US Safety Appliances it states: "UNCOUPLING LEVERS: Number - Two (2). Uncoupling levers may be either single of double, and of any efficient design ... Handles of uncoupling levers of the "rocking" or "pushdown" type shall be not less than eighteen (18) inches from top of rail when lockblock has released knuckle..."

There is no indication of any type that is not allowed, whether it be "push type" or top- or bottom-operated. Only an extensive list of dimensions (which can be useful to modelers): Handles should be no more than 6 inches from the side of the car, except Plate B types (see examples in the other post), which could be not more than 12, but preferably 9 inches from the side of the car. Center lift arms not less than 7 inches long with the center of the eye at the end of the lift arm no more than 3 1/2 inches beyond center of uncoupling pin when horn of coupler is against the buffer block. Ends of the handles not less than 4 inches below bottom of end sill, or constructed to give a minimum of 2 inches clearance around the handle. Minimum drop of the handles is 12 inches, maximum 15 inches overall. The 1945 issue does not have a diagram of a bottom-operated coupler. Note that the type of coupler is not addressed at all in the Safety Appliance Guide.

An interesting comment on pg 787 of the 1949/1951 Car Builder’s Cyclopedia is, “The Standard E coupler is so designed that any coupler may be fitted for either top or rotary operation. The top operates type is well adapted for service where this form is required, but the operation of the rotary type requires much less force at the operating rod handle. The uncoupling rod is simplified and may be readily located in a position that assures easy coupler operation by trainmen. These important features of coupler service make the rotary operated coupler the preferred form for general use.” This is also the first Cyclopedia without a diagram of the Plate B top operating uncoupler lever. The 1940 and 1946 both have pictures and diagrams.

Randy


Randy Hammill
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954  | https//:blog.newbritainstation.com


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

Bill Welch
 

The tables displaying the Timeline was dependent on what people brought to display. The slideshow Steve Hile put together gave credit with photos to all of the suppliers/purveyors of resin including Al Westerfield.

Bill Welch


Re: RPM History (was Re: RPM Chicagoland Photos)

Ted Culotta
 

Tim,

For someone who wasn't in attendance, you seem to have all the answers. Al was highlighted during the evening panel discussion and Speedwitch is alive and well and was in attendance. 

Lest anyone think I am attacking Tim, he and I know each other well and I bear him nothing but poking jest....

Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media
P.O. Box 392, Guilford, CT 06437


RPM History (was Re: RPM Chicagoland Photos)

Tim O'Connor
 

Nelson

Yeah, I get that... Of course Martin's first kits were cast by Steve Funaro, who
besides his own products, was also casting the RPI kits and Yankee Clipper kits... ;-)
Frank Hodina had not yet emerged as the great master maker... There really deserves
to be a book on the subject. Maybe Ted Culotta could compile a history - although
Ted has a real job now in New York City (!) so whither will Speedwitch go?

Tim O'Connor

In partial defense of the guilty, I believe it should be stated that the theme of the meeting was
to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the founding of the event by Martin Lofton, who also founded
Sunshine Models. The organizers did this by honoring Trish Martin at the banquet, and facilitating
a rather impressive historical time line of models. I don't believe they intended to slight the
contributions of Al Westerfield to the hobby, it's just that Al didn't start the Naperville RPM,
and Martin did.

Nelson Moyer
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

Nelson Moyer
 

In partial defense of the guilty, I believe it should be stated that the theme of the meeting was to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the founding of the event by Martin Lofton, who also founded Sunshine Models. The organizers did this by honoring Trish Martin at the banquet, and facilitating a rather impressive historical time line of models. I don’t believe they intended to slight the contributions of Al Westerfield to the hobby, it’s just that Al didn’t start the Naperville RPM, and Martin did.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 6:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

 

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 03:29 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

but to mention Sunshine without mentioning WESTERFIELD is to my mind a
huge omission!

I concur. 

Dennis Storzek


Re: When were Carmer Coupler Levers Outlawed for Interchange

Dave Parker
 

My notes say the rotary hardware became a requirement for new cars in 1933, but I don't have a primary reference or an exact date.

Guy W would know I expect.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: When were Carmer Coupler Levers Outlawed for Interchange

Eric Hansmann
 

I don’t recall Carmer hardware being outlawed. But I think a requirement came down for rotary operated hardware on all new cars. I can’t recall a date or source. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Oct 21, 2018, at 2:17 PM, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:

When were Carmer Coupler Levers Outlawed for Interchange? I seem to recall somewhere that they were not allowed by 1950.


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 03:29 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
but to mention Sunshine without mentioning WESTERFIELD is to my mind a
huge omission!
I concur. 

Dennis Storzek


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

Tim O'Connor
 

Jeremy

Thank you for posting that photo collection.

I must say, I understand a single poster showing the timeline of Railroad Prototype Modeling
is pressed for space... but to mention Sunshine without mentioning WESTERFIELD is to my mind a
huge omission! The RPM movement was already well developed when Sunshine came onto the scene.

And I think the genesis of RPM was not the models, but several important publications! Authors
and scratchbuilders led the way - RPM could never have happened without them.

Tim O'Connor

-------------------------

Greetings,

Here is a link to my photo gallery from this weekend's RPM Chicagoland:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/m6w5uzssH2WUihhq9

And... some video I shot at the show as well:

https://youtu.be/U8mhe5370MQ

Enjoy!

Jeremy Dummler
Wauconda, IL

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: RPM Chicagoland Photos

Lester Breuer
 

Thanks for sharing. A chance to see the models as I could not attend.
Lester Breuer


Re: When were Carmer Coupler Levers Outlawed for Interchange

Tim O'Connor
 


Where's Guy Wilber when we need him? :-) But I never heard of them being outlawed.
They were definitely still around in the 1950's.

Tim O'


 There were still a few in service when I hired out as brakeman in 1976.
 Jeff Coleman


  Ken Adams asked:
  When were Carmer Coupler Levers Outlawed for Interchange? I seem to recall
  somewhere that they were not allowed by 1950.

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: When were Carmer Coupler Levers Outlawed for Interchange

Jeff Coleman
 

There were still a few in service when I hired out as brakeman in 1976.

Jeff Coleman

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018, 3:17 PM Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:
When were Carmer Coupler Levers Outlawed for Interchange? I seem to recall somewhere that they were not allowed by 1950.


When were Carmer Coupler Levers Outlawed for Interchange

Ken Adams
 

When were Carmer Coupler Levers Outlawed for Interchange? I seem to recall somewhere that they were not allowed by 1950.


More 41-ft Gondolas

rwitt_2000
 

Found this listing on eBay for a slide of a GA 41-ft gondola.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-slide-Georgia-Railroad-gondola-29406-in-1968/223189556129?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D7cffb5b6f85b44e685a7eb8bfff1f5e9%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Des%26sd%3D332840825601%26itm%3D223189556129&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A049062a8-d563-11e8-8cdc-74dbd180194a%7Cparentrq%3A97fc56f81660aade1e80787afff6602e%7Ciid%3A1
has a length of 438 characters 

TinyURL:  https://tinyurl.com/y9fq3bbg

Bob Witt


Re: RPM Chicagoland Photos

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Great photos, Jeremy. Thanks for sharing.

 


From: main@realstmfc.groups.io on behalf of O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 1:48 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RPM Chicagoland Photos
 
Thanks for sharing Jeremy, Looks like a well attended show.
Fenton

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 2:23 PM Jeremy Dummler <jkdummler@...> wrote:
Greetings,

Here is a link to my photo gallery from this weekend's RPM Chicagoland: 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/m6w5uzssH2WUihhq9

And... some video I shot at the show as well:

https://youtu.be/U8mhe5370MQ


Enjoy!

Jeremy Dummler
Wauconda, IL



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: RPM Chicagoland Photos

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks for sharing Jeremy, Looks like a well attended show.
Fenton

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 2:23 PM Jeremy Dummler <jkdummler@...> wrote:
Greetings,

Here is a link to my photo gallery from this weekend's RPM Chicagoland: 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/m6w5uzssH2WUihhq9

And... some video I shot at the show as well:

https://youtu.be/U8mhe5370MQ


Enjoy!

Jeremy Dummler
Wauconda, IL



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


RPM Chicagoland Photos

Jeremy Dummler
 

Greetings,

Here is a link to my photo gallery from this weekend's RPM Chicagoland: 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/m6w5uzssH2WUihhq9

And... some video I shot at the show as well:

https://youtu.be/U8mhe5370MQ


Enjoy!

Jeremy Dummler
Wauconda, IL

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