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Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

Bill Welch
 

To all those complaining about what was left out here is part of Mike Skibbe's message in September: "A question to the group: If you were pulling together a museum display of kits and models that told the story of the RPM movement, what would you include? A major theme of this year's 25th anniversary event is looking back at the history of the prototype modeling movement and celebrating how far modeling has come through the fellowship of RPM events. We'd like to see those improvements in the display room this year, and to that end, we're inviting everyone in attendance to bring models that may be languishing in storage."

We were all ask and had the opportunity to comment, suggest, etc.

Bill Welch 


Re: gon with a pole load

skibbs4
 

I think you're correct Eric, as the "& Pacific" was post bankruptcy in the late 20's.  Given the 1923 date of the photo, your pre-depression era skills preside again!

Mike Skibbe


On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:26 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

After downloading the larger image from the second link and adjusting some parameters, I see an M and St. There’s a letter preceding the M but the side stake obscures the stencil.

 

Possibly, the side stakes are obscuring C. M. & St. P. marks.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 1:55 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] gon with a pole load

 

Hi List Members,

 

The link below takes you to a nice view of a gon with a pole load, and an overview of the pole storage area for Southern California Electric in 1923.

 

 

You can get a better view of the image itself at the link below...

 

 

Anyone know what the road name on the gon might be? I cannot quite make it out.

 

TIA

 

Claus Schlund


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

skibbs4
 

Please don't think we were trying to create revisionist history with the sign.  I had an idea for a timeline of models as part of celebrating the 25th year of the event.  And when I suggested some signage for the timeline tables, someone stepped up to volunteer to create a sign.  No big conspiracy other than doing something on a tight timeline. 

In fact, on September 11, I solicited feedback from this group about what would be best to include to highlight the RPM movement, and as near as I can tell it didn't generate any email responses. 

Maybe before this devolves, and since it's now a topic of interest, we can discuss what should be on the timeline.  What key events?  What key companies?  What key articles?

I'll offer to collect that information and get it correct online, to the extent we can agree <grin>.  And we can discuss the Steve Hile timeline, as I know he would appreciate feedback as well.  I think it's a history worth documenting, which was the motivation for what we did.  Now let's continue the conversation.

All the best,
Mike Skibbe
(Who always says in the attendee program:  "Blame me for anything that went wrong, hopefully it doesn't affect your overall enjoyment of the event!")

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 12:50 PM Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:
On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 10:21 AM, skibbs4 wrote:
Attendees know that we mentioned and expanded on every resin car manufacturer that we could think of.  There were no huge omissions, and Dennis Storzek was mentioned for his contributions as well.  We even had the early sawtooth Soo Line boxcars out on the timeline tables. 
 
Well, thank you for the mention, although I played a very little part in the grand scheme of things. I think what Tim and I both take exception to is the wording of the poster shown below, which more or less says that Sunshine was responsible for both resin kits and the entire RPM movement. I realize that the 25th year event was intended to be self congratulatory, but revisionist history doesn't really cut it. Using Sunshine's entry to the business in 1989 as the defining event of the eighties has glossed over a whole lot of people who came before, and in some cases put much more at risk to get us where we are today.

Dennis Storzek


 


Re: gon with a pole load

Eric Hansmann
 

After downloading the larger image from the second link and adjusting some parameters, I see an M and St. There’s a letter preceding the M but the side stake obscures the stencil.

 

Possibly, the side stakes are obscuring C. M. & St. P. marks.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 1:55 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] gon with a pole load

 

Hi List Members,

 

The link below takes you to a nice view of a gon with a pole load, and an overview of the pole storage area for Southern California Electric in 1923.

 

 

You can get a better view of the image itself at the link below...

 

 

Anyone know what the road name on the gon might be? I cannot quite make it out.

 

TIA

 

Claus Schlund


Re: gon with a pole load

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
Anyone know what the road name on the gon might be? I cannot quite make it out.I
I think we are seeing the "M St" of C M St P & P.

Dennis Storzek


RPM Chicagoland Photos

Andy Carlson
 

Gene-
I had a good discussion with Rails Unlimited Ted at the RPM 25 event. I mentioned that both Chooch and Rails Unlimited offered resin O scale freight cars with especially well patterned castings. Ted told me that many of the RU and Chooch cars were made with patterns you created. I had already purchased a 50' SP SS flat kit from Ted while we had the conversation.

So I wish to make an Attaboy to you for all of your fine pattern work.

In my early years of my budding interest in  prototype modeling I had discovered Bill Clouser's epoxy cast box cars. I wanted one for no other reason then for the exquisitly rendered Dreadnaught ends. His cars were advanced back then, look amazing well today and I still wish I had found one.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





From: Gene Deimling <proto48@...>
To: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
Cc: stmfc <realstmfc@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

Bill Clouser was a pioneer model maker who mastered the art of casting with aluminum filled epoxy.  He started with flat molds and later cast single piece O scale car bodies.   
Mike O’Connell was an early maker of urethane kits in O scale.  I believe his first kits were produced in the mid-1970s.  His Chooch name has survived longer than nearly everyone else.  

Gene Deimling 




Re: gon with a pole load

Bruce Smith
 

That’ll need an idler! ;)

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Oct 22, 2018, at 1:54 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
The link below takes you to a nice view of a gon with a pole load, and an overview of the pole storage area for Southern California Electric in 1923.
 
 
You can get a better view of the image itself at the link below...
 
 
Anyone know what the road name on the gon might be? I cannot quite make it out.
 
TIA
 
Claus Schlund


gon with a pole load

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
The link below takes you to a nice view of a gon with a pole load, and an overview of the pole storage area for Southern California Electric in 1923.
 
 
You can get a better view of the image itself at the link below...
 
 
Anyone know what the road name on the gon might be? I cannot quite make it out.
 
TIA
 
Claus Schlund


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

Well, thank you for the mention, although I played a very little part in the grand scheme of things. I think what Tim and I both take exception to is the wording of the poster shown below, which more or less says that Sunshine was responsible for both resin kits and the entire RPM movement. 

    At least the poster avoids the self-serving "history" propounded by Joe D'Elia.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: history (was RPM Chicagoland Photos)

Eric Hansmann
 

I’m sure Mike would be happy to add you to the organizing group for next year.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 1:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] history (was RPM Chicagoland Photos)

 


Let me help you remember a little more -

Smoky Mountain (Jim King?)
Blue Ridge Historics
CHOOCH - ULTRA SCALE kits (O scale)
Pittsburgh Scale Models (Byron Rose, also a pattern maker)
Randy Anderson (pattern maker)
Joe Pennington (WONDERFUL resin detail parts for freight cars)
Dan Kirlin (resin detail parts maker, now owned by Yarmouth)
Steam Shack (Central Vermont and Rutland kits)
Brian Pate (Canadian kits)
Sparrow Point (John Green)
Pocahontas Models (N&W box cars)
OnTrak Models (highway trailers)
Kaslo Car Shops

and ... oh damn I've forgotten ... a dealer who sold wonderful O scale resin car
models at Naperville for years, as one piece bodies ... Ted Schnepf !! =D>

and passenger car parts makers whose names escape me.

and
TOM MADDEN (not mentioned)

Just trying to help! :-)

Tim O'Connor





Attendees know that we mentioned and expanded on every resin car manufacturer that we could think of. There were no huge omissions, and Dennis Storzek was mentioned for his contributions as well. We even had the early sawtooth Soo Line boxcars out on the timeline tables.

I went ahead an posted Steve Hile's presentation online here, which should help frame this conversation in a more inclusive light:
http://www.rpmconference.com/index.php/2018/10/22/friends-of-the-freight-car-panel-discussion/

Mike Skibbe
www.rpmconference.com


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: history (was RPM Chicagoland Photos)

Tim O'Connor
 


Let me help you remember a little more -

Smoky Mountain (Jim King?)
Blue Ridge Historics
CHOOCH - ULTRA SCALE kits (O scale)
Pittsburgh Scale Models (Byron Rose, also a pattern maker)
Randy Anderson (pattern maker)
Joe Pennington (WONDERFUL resin detail parts for freight cars)
Dan Kirlin (resin detail parts maker, now owned by Yarmouth)
Steam Shack (Central Vermont and Rutland kits)
Brian Pate (Canadian kits)
Sparrow Point (John Green)
Pocahontas Models (N&W box cars)
OnTrak Models (highway trailers)
Kaslo Car Shops

and ... oh damn I've forgotten ... a dealer who sold wonderful O scale resin car
models at Naperville for years, as one piece bodies ... Ted Schnepf !! =D>

and passenger car parts makers whose names escape me.

and TOM MADDEN (not mentioned)

Just trying to help! :-)

Tim O'Connor




Attendees know that we mentioned and expanded on every resin car manufacturer that we could think of. There were no huge omissions, and Dennis Storzek was mentioned for his contributions as well. We even had the early sawtooth Soo Line boxcars out on the timeline tables.

I went ahead an posted Steve Hile's presentation online here, which should help frame this conversation in a more inclusive light:
http://www.rpmconference.com/index.php/2018/10/22/friends-of-the-freight-car-panel-discussion/

Mike Skibbe
www.rpmconference.com

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 10:21 AM, skibbs4 wrote:
Attendees know that we mentioned and expanded on every resin car manufacturer that we could think of.  There were no huge omissions, and Dennis Storzek was mentioned for his contributions as well.  We even had the early sawtooth Soo Line boxcars out on the timeline tables. 
 
Well, thank you for the mention, although I played a very little part in the grand scheme of things. I think what Tim and I both take exception to is the wording of the poster shown below, which more or less says that Sunshine was responsible for both resin kits and the entire RPM movement. I realize that the 25th year event was intended to be self congratulatory, but revisionist history doesn't really cut it. Using Sunshine's entry to the business in 1989 as the defining event of the eighties has glossed over a whole lot of people who came before, and in some cases put much more at risk to get us where we are today.

Dennis Storzek


 


Assembled Sunshine kits on eBay

Clark Propst
 


Re: RPM History (was Re: RPM Chicagoland Photos)

Tim O'Connor
 


At least I still know the difference between an answer and a question, Ted.

Just a jest! :-D

I'm glad to hear Speedwitch is still with us. May it always be so! :-)

Tim

P.S. My introduction to RPM was through John Nehrich, before Martin had begun
Sunshine models. RPI hosted a great train show and had a store in the dormitory
that sold resin kits and had "tan dot" and "green dot" kits. It was at one of
those shows that I met Mr. Brazelton and bought his wonderful drill press. John
was publishing modeling "encyclopedias" back then - mass produced by photocopy!



Tim,

For someone who wasn't in attendance, you seem to have all the answers. Al was highlighted during the evening panel discussion and Speedwitch is alive and well and was in attendance.

Lest anyone think I am attacking Tim, he and I know each other well and I bear him nothing but poking jest....

Ted Culotta

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: ARA/AAR Boxcar Modeling Clinic Link

Paul Doggett
 

Bill

Your modelling skills and patience is truly amazing thank you for sharing your clinic.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 22 Oct 2018, at 18:16, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Here is the link to my 2018 Clinic:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/t7chfq1zavanvpw/AAAs4Mmg5OLHiR79M8nqDJ8qa?dl=0
It is for your personal use only, which includes sharing it with friends at club meeting for example. Please do not post it anywhere without my permission. The Spreadsheets are courtesy of Ed Hawkins.


Bill Welch


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

skibbs4
 

Attendees know that we mentioned and expanded on every resin car manufacturer that we could think of.  There were no huge omissions, and Dennis Storzek was mentioned for his contributions as well.  We even had the early sawtooth Soo Line boxcars out on the timeline tables. 

I went ahead an posted Steve Hile's presentation online here, which should help frame this conversation in a more inclusive light:

Mike Skibbe


On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 6:23 PM Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 03:29 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
but to mention Sunshine without mentioning WESTERFIELD is to my mind a
huge omission!
I concur. 

Dennis Storzek


ARA/AAR Boxcar Modeling Clinic Link

Bill Welch
 

Here is the link to my 2018 Clinic:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/t7chfq1zavanvpw/AAAs4Mmg5OLHiR79M8nqDJ8qa?dl=0
It is for your personal use only, which includes sharing it with friends at club meeting for example. Please do not post it anywhere without my permission. The Spreadsheets are courtesy of Ed Hawkins.


Bill Welch


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

gary laakso
 

Maybe a sheet is needed for other resin vendors like Chad Boas, Protowest Scale Models, Jerry Hamsmith and others.

 

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 8:44 AM
To: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; 'stmfc' <realstmfc@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

 

Tim,

 

I suspect that the creator of the poster was thinking of the RPM MEETS as beginning with Sunshine's Naperville gathering.  We know that there were RPM rooms at NMRA nationals prior to 1994 and that the RPM movement was well underway.

 

But this was the 25th Sunshine meet and we were particularly honoring Martin's memory along with those who helped make the huge variety of Sunshine kits for transition era cars.  Martin, himself, would have acknowledged the Al Westerfield helped and encouraged Martin when he was just starting out in the business.

 

I think that Mike Skibbe will be posting the entirety of the slides we used for Friday evenings FOFC panel discussion, but I will attach a slide that I developed that tries to trace the evolution of resin freight car kits.  The line begins in the late 1960's with O scale epoxy resin cars in O scale from Bill Clouser and passes through hybrid type kits, such as WestRail and Roller Bearing Models.  I defined the first generation as the flat kit era, with the second (current) generation being the one piece bodies, along with some sources continuing with first generation technology.

 

Comments are welcome on this.

 

Thanks,

 

Steve Hile

 


From: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io [mailto:ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 5:30 PM
To:
ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; stmfc
Subject: Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

Jeremy

Thank you for posting that photo collection.

I must say, I understand a single poster showing the timeline of Railroad Prototype Modeling
is pressed for space... but to mention Sunshine without mentioning WESTERFIELD is to my mind a
huge omission! The RPM movement was already well developed when Sunshine came onto the scene.

And I think the genesis of RPM was not the models, but several important publications! Authors
and scratchbuilders led the way - RPM could never have happened without them.

Tim O'Connor

-------------------------


Greetings,

Here is a link to my photo gallery from this weekend's RPM Chicagoland:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/m6w5uzssH2WUihhq9

And... some video I shot at the show as well:

https://youtu.be/U8mhe5370MQ

Enjoy!

Jeremy Dummler
Wauconda, IL


ERIE flat cars delivering a submarine cable made by the OKONITE company

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
The url below will take you to a search that includes several great 1931 views of ERIE flat cars delivering a submarine cable made by the OKONITE company.
 
 
A very model-genic load, if you asked me!
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

Gene Deimling
 

Bill Clouser was a pioneer model maker who mastered the art of casting with aluminum filled epoxy.  He started with flat molds and later cast single piece O scale car bodies.   
Mike O’Connell was an early maker of urethane kits in O scale.  I believe his first kits were produced in the mid-1970s.  His Chooch name has survived longer than nearly everyone else.  

Gene Deimling 


On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

Tim,
 
I suspect that the creator of the poster was thinking of the RPM MEETS as beginning with Sunshine's Naperville gathering.  We know that there were RPM rooms at NMRA nationals prior to 1994 and that the RPM movement was well underway.
 
But this was the 25th Sunshine meet and we were particularly honoring Martin's memory along with those who helped make the huge variety of Sunshine kits for transition era cars.  Martin, himself, would have acknowledged the Al Westerfield helped and encouraged Martin when he was just starting out in the business.
 
I think that Mike Skibbe will be posting the entirety of the slides we used for Friday evenings FOFC panel discussion, but I will attach a slide that I developed that tries to trace the evolution of resin freight car kits.  The line begins in the late 1960's with O scale epoxy resin cars in O scale from Bill Clouser and passes through hybrid type kits, such as WestRail and Roller Bearing Models.  I defined the first generation as the flat kit era, with the second (current) generation being the one piece bodies, along with some sources continuing with first generation technology.
 
Comments are welcome on this.
 
Thanks,
 
Steve Hile


From: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io [mailto:ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 5:30 PM
To: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; stmfc
Subject: Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

Jeremy

Thank you for posting that photo collection.

I must say, I understand a single poster showing the timeline of Railroad Prototype Modeling
is pressed for space... but to mention Sunshine without mentioning WESTERFIELD is to my mind a
huge omission! The RPM movement was already well developed when Sunshine came onto the scene.

And I think the genesis of RPM was not the models, but several important publications! Authors
and scratchbuilders led the way - RPM could never have happened without them.

Tim O'Connor

-------------------------

Greetings,

Here is a link to my photo gallery from this weekend's RPM Chicagoland:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/m6w5uzssH2WUihhq9

And... some video I shot at the show as well:

https://youtu.be/U8mhe5370MQ

Enjoy!

Jeremy Dummler
Wauconda, IL
<Resin Freight Car Kit Evolution.pdf>

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