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Dan Hall/Southwest Scale Productions Update

Bill Welch
 

Talked to Dan Hall today after placing an order for correct doors for a GN and SP&P project. All of his doors except for the "Overnight" cars are in stock. He travels regularly which interferes with getting orders out immediately but if you order in the next couple of days it will likely be shipped quickly since he is in town. He has sold his molding machine as it was old and subject to a lot of maintenance. He still has tools to cut molds and we talked about what he would like to do.

http://www.southwestscale.com/Freight-Car-Details_c3.htm

You will not be disappointed with the quality and accuracy of his doors. Ed Hawkins various AAR tables can be consulted for usage: http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/protofrtcarsmain.html

Bill Welch


Re: Big Trouble in Big China

Ken Adams
 

Please forgive the cross posting to the Passenger Car list as well.

I regularly follow Hornby and buy their products for my UK model. No such information in the most reliable UK source (RMWEB) which would be blowing up with news about Hornby moving production to Hungary it were it true. Be careful about 3rd hand news. 

As I write my new Hornby Southern Railway Maunsell Restaurant car is in the mail. Expensive at about  USD $60.  But then GGD/Sunset just announced their finally "accurate" plastic SP Arch Roof (Harriman) 72 foot cars at $119.99 each. At least the Hornby Restaurant car (being a First Class kitchen diner) has lighted lamps on the tables and curtains in the windows of the dining area.  Hornby even included a representation of the lead weights on the outside of the car to balance the corridor side of the car in the kitchen area against the iron stoves of the kitchen.

Ken Adams
Walnut Creek


Re: Big Trouble in Big China

Craig Zeni
 

On Jul 28, 2018, at 1:51 AM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io wrote:

4b. Re: Big Trouble in Big China
From: Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 23:17:32 EDT

My contact in Athearn's Product Development Department had this to say:
"I just heard about it this morning. I'd never heard of this factory, but one of my employees had and so now I know of three companies that will be affected adversely (but I will not say who they are).
This is similar to what happened to us about eight or nine years ago - we took a big hit while trying to get our molds back, but we eventually got 99% of them within about 6 months.
I feel for these guys - this will not be fun for them."
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
No secret on the largest one - it's Atlas. They've got it posted on their web page as of late yesterday afternoon. From the Atlas web page:

"Atlas has received notification from one of our locomotive and rolling stock suppliers that they have closed their factory. (Please note Atlas track and accessories are NOT affected by this delay.) Atlas is currently working with our network of suppliers to transfer the projects to others for completion. This will cause a delay in some previously ordered products. We apologize for this delay, thank you for your continued support, and will update you with more information as it becomes available. "

I was told by an Atlas rep at an RPM meet last year that after that fiasco 7-8 years ago that Atlas was no longer keeping all its eggs in one basket.

I'm not completely certain of the others affected but I have my suspicions based on similarity of locomotive drive component similarities but that would be wild eyed speculation.

Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Re: Big Trouble in Big China

Bob Chaparro
 

My contact in Athearn's Product Development Department had this to say:
"I just heard about it this morning.  I'd never heard of this factory, but one of my employees had and so now I know of three companies that will be affected adversely (but I will not say who they are).
This is similar to what happened to us about eight or nine years ago - we took a big hit while trying to get our molds back, but we eventually got 99% of them within about 6 months.
I feel for these guys - this will not be fun for them."
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: WESTERFIELD MODELS Newsletter

Tim O'Connor
 


I forgot to say, there were still quite a few all steel B-50-15a's in revenue service in SP's July 1972 roster.
The ORER gives no information about the small side doors at all.

Tim O'Connor


These cars survived a long time, long enough for me to photograph one of the last in service in 1967. See my Album #7 on page 9 of our photo section for steel-sheathed B-50-15-A 114216. This car was one of a group of 175 still in service in October 1958. In Tony's book this car was listed among 210 renumbered from 31568-32615 in 1956. I don't know the specific purpose of the small sliding doors, beyond the obvious use for bulk cargo (my ORER is silent on this, and Tony's book says nothing about the doors either, but does note that some were used to carry bulk cement).

Another of these cars, still on its trucks, was used as a tool or materials shed just east of the Roseville diesel shops. IIRC, I finally got a photo of it before it was hauled away in the 1980s. When I finish scanning my father's slides, I will look for the picture among my negatives. If it turns up, I will add same to our album pages.

Garth Groff


Re: WESTERFIELD MODELS Newsletter

Tim O'Connor
 


They lasted much longer in company service - there were wood sheathed
and steel sheathed cars lettered SPMW well into the 1970's and beyond.

Tim O'Connor



Friends,

These cars survived a long time, long enough for me to photograph one of the last in service in 1967. See my Album #7 on page 9 of our photo section for steel-sheathed B-50-15-A 114216. This car was one of a group of 175 still in service in October 1958. In Tony's book this car was listed among 210 renumbered from 31568-32615 in 1956. I don't know the specific purpose of the small sliding doors, beyond the obvious use for bulk cargo (my ORER is silent on this, and Tony's book says nothing about the doors either, but does note that some were used to carry bulk cement).

Another of these cars, still on its trucks, was used as a tool or materials shed just east of the Roseville diesel shops. IIRC, I finally got a photo of it before it was hauled away in the 1980s. When I finish scanning my father's slides, I will look for the picture among my negatives. If it turns up, I will add same to our album pages.

Neat cars, and anybody doing SP up to the 1960s should have at least one.

Garth Groff


Big Trouble in Big China

John Sykes III
 

Excuse the cross-posting but . . . I was talking to a very well-placed source today about some mislabeled parts and he mentioned that he just found out yesterday that a very large producer of RTR model trains in China just closed the doors and locked-up the factory.  He said this producer manufactured plastic models for several major US companies, but didn’t say which.  He said he is scrambling to find another producer in China, but getting the molds moved and producing some of the locally sourced parts is going to be a royal PITA.  He has put all his future delivery dates on a “release delayed until further notice” basis.  He said he had been in China recently and the factory owner had been sick, but apparently took a turn for the worse recently.  Expect to see long delays on production of new models and probably cancellation of others.  I also found out that Hornby has moved their production from China to Hungary but that is apparently old news.

 

-- John


Re: Tichy Brake wheels was Tangent Horizontal Brake Wheels

Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
 

I have a number of flat 16" hand wheels in my collection.  Dishing the wheel or making the spokes curved or both was, as Dennis just said, to solve a casting problem.  After visit one of the hand brake manufactures I spent all of the next day in the Foundrymen's Library in a Chicago suburb.  Lots of heavy reading.  To vastly oversimplify, when the metal in malleable castings begins to cool it passes through temperature ranges of contraction AND EXPANSION.

Dennis, I have a pretty complete set of Car Builders' Dictionaries and Cyclopedias.  I simply have not bothered to scan the germane pages nor have I scanned the several file feet of hand brake manufacturer literature I have collected.  I must dispose of all this material but I wish to scan all before I do.  I hope I can find a museum to take my hand brakes and hand wheels.  I have about 3000 pounds and I would hate to sell it as scrap.
Gene Green




Collinsville and other RPM meets

Jared Harper
 

Last week I attended the Collinsville RPM meet sometimes referred to the St. Louis RPM meet.  Once you get there Collinsville is the perfect site for an RPM meet.  There are plenty of lodgings to choose from, restaurants representing a variety of cuisines and the Collinsville Convention Center with a spacious space to accomodate the vendors, our hordes and their models.  The really nice thing is that all of these are within easy walking distance of each other with plentiful and decent sidewalks. I believe the final attendance count was 665,  more than any other RPM meet. 

 My primary reason for attending was the vendors.  I had a long shopping list to fill and knew there were going to be a large number of vendors present and wanted to shop where I could lay my eyeballs on the merchandise.  Locally, even in Atlanta, there is no such place.  I was successful and was able to purchase all the items I went to buy.  My second reason for attending was the model displays.  Collinsville seems to attract more models for display than any other meet I have attended.  My third reason for attending was the clinics.  I would have been a lot happier if there had been more and that the scheduling would have allowed me to attend more of them.  A couple of times I had to choose between two good clinics and had to miss one.  My fourth reason for attending was social.  When I attend a meet my goal is to renew acquaintences with other modelers and to make new acquaintences and friendships.

I think I have attended four Collinsville RPM meets.  The drive from my home is 600 miles plus, not so far.  I drove to the first two and when I drove I stopped half way and got a hotel room.  I did that because I don't particularly like to drive and I have had the experience of falling asleep at the wheel.  It is scary to awaken and find yourself tooling up the Interstate at 70-80 mph.  Twice I took the airport shuttle to Atlanta, flew via Botique Airways to Nashville.  At Nashville I met John Wark and Mitch Mercante and rode with them the rest of the way for company.  This year I took the airport shuttle to Atlanta and flew from Atlanta to St. Louis.  When you get to St. Louis there are basically two ways to Collinsville, rent a car, or take a Taxi. I spent over $600 to attend Collinsville.  This may not be much for some of you.  This does not include meals.  I had a roommate to share room expense.  Collinsville is a good meet for me largely because of the vendors and my purchases from them.  Next year if I do not have a purchase list I will probably stay home.

I don't know if the clinic presenters got paid.  At Cocoa Beach presenters from  some distance get paid from the profits of the meet  It can cover some travel expenses.  Cocoa has a  bunch of presenters and each presentation is  done twice so you can pretty much rest assured you can hear any clinic you want to.  There are a respectable number of models on display.  I think there are more in-process models than at Collinsville.  Cocoa has the same door prize procedure as Collinsville.  At Chicagoland each door price has a numbered cup and you can put your doorprize tickets into the cup for the door prize you are interested in.  That way you don't get a prize you don't need or want.

Those are my comments for what they're worth.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: WESTERFIELD MODELS Newsletter

Bill Keene
 

Just 93 years “young”. !!!

Gads! I hope I live to be 93 years “young”.!!

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jul 27, 2018, at 1:13 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

I tried to interest Walter Gray at CSRM in saving one of these. His reaction was, "it was built in 1925!" as though that was last week. HE was only interested in OLD stuff. Sigh.
Tony Thompson 


On Jul 27, 2018, at 12:49 PM, Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:

Friends,

These cars survived a long time, long enough for me to photograph one of the last in service in 1967. See my Album #7 on page 9 of our photo section for steel-sheathed B-50-15-A 114216. This car was one of a group of 175 still in service in October 1958. In Tony's book this car was listed among 210 renumbered from 31568-32615 in 1956. I don't know the specific purpose of the small sliding doors, beyond the obvious use for bulk cargo (my ORER is silent on this, and Tony's book says nothing about the doors either, but does note that some were used to carry bulk cement).

Another of these cars, still on its trucks, was used as a tool or materials shed just east of the Roseville diesel shops. IIRC, I finally got a photo of it before it was hauled away in the 1980s. When I finish scanning my father's slides, I will look for the picture among my negatives. If it turns up, I will add same to our album pages.

Neat cars, and anybody doing SP up to the 1960s should have at least one.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 7/27/18 1:46 PM, dahminator68 via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello Steam Era Modeler:
 
We are pleased to announce that Westerfield Models has several new Kits available now:

Our newest HO Kit release is the  
#12800 Series B-50-15 single sheathed box car with steel sheathing, Murphy radial roof and AB brakes for Southern Pacific and subsidiaries.  
We now have available:  
Kit #12801, SP Original Wood Sheathed version, Op Era 1925-1973
Kit #12862, SP Pacific Motor Trucking version, Op Era 1935-1944
Kit #12863, SP Overnight Service version, Op Era 1946-1955

Our One-Piece Body Kit covers series #14480-15229, 750 cars built in 1925 by Standard Steel Car Co.  The original single wood sheathed box cars differed from previous SP types in that they used hat section side posts of the 1924 design in a Pratt truss arrangement.  In 1935, SP began converting the cars to steel sheathing, first for Pacific Motor Trucking (PMT) service, then for Baggage Express (BX) service in 1942.  Freight versions of these cars also began receiving steel sheathing in this period and by the beginning of WWII, 930 cars in freight service had been converted (Total of all B-50-15 built versions was 3900 cars).  Beginning in 1942, the cars began receiving AB brakes as well. 
Many of the Original wood sheathed cars survived until the late 1960's with their original wood sides.  PMT cars were used until the early 1940's, being discontinued for World War II.  After the war, SP started a new service in 1946, called Overnight Service.  They used new box cars and B-50-15 cars.  This service lasted until the mid-1950's.

We have also posted photos on our Facebook page.

Our unpainted HO Kits include detail parts appropriate for the B-50-15, including the following details:
Improved Cast Urethane One-Piece Body Construction with Fine Details.
Urethane Castings of detail parts, including many car specific parts.
Detailed Hi-Tech rubber air hoses.
Yarmouth Etched Bronze Corner Steps and Carmer uncoupling levers.
Proprietary Multi-Color Decals covering all freight, PMT and Overnight versions of the car.
Detailed Step by Step Instructions and History Sheets with assembly and finished model photographs.
Recommended Trucks:  Tahoe Model Works TMW-109 or TMW-209 Barber Lateral Motion Trucks.
Tahoe TMW-109  or TMW-209 Barber Lateral  Trucks available separately or with Kit (See below).
Kadee Couplers are available separately.

These are now available direct from Westerfield Models.  Most of our Kits do not include trucks or couplers.  We do offer Tahoe Trucks and Kadee Trucks & Couplers for this Series of Kit and separately for our other Kits.  See the Kit versions listed below.  Operating Era for B-50-15 box cars covered by #12800 Series Kits: 1925-1973.  
Original Version Era:  1925-1942 (some 1973)     Modern Version Era: 1935-1973
PMT Version Era:  1935-1944                                  Overnight Version Era:  1946-1955

AVAILABLE NOW ON OUR WEBSITE UNDER "New Kit Releases".
KIT NUMBER:
12801  B-50-15 SS Box Car, Wood Sheathed, Murphy Radial Roof, No End Doors, K Brakes, Original, SP Freight         $45.00
12851  B-50-15 SS Box Car, Steel Sheathed, Murphy Radial Roof, No End Doors, AB Brakes, Modern, SP Freight        $45.00
12862  B-50-15 SS Box Car, Steel Sheathed, Murphy Radial Roof, No End Doors, K/AB Brakes, SP PMT Version           $48.00
12863  B-50-15 SS Box Car, Steel Sheathed, Murphy Radial Roof, No End Doors, AB Brakes, SP Overnight Version      $47.00
12881  B-50-15 SS Box Car Kit w/ Kadee #511 T Section Bettendorf OR Tahoe TMW-109 Trucks w/ Code 110 Whls    $52.00       
12882  B-50-15 SS Box Car Kit with Tahoe TMW-209 Trucks with Semi-Scale Wheels                                                         $52.00


All of the above Kits are available through our website:     
westerfieldmodels.com
We are also glad to accept orders via Mailed in Order Form or phone.

Westerfield Kits include new HO scale unpainted urethane castings, and are complete with quality details, detailed instruction/history sheets 
and proprietary decals covering all versions of the prototype car.   Trucks and couplers are not included but are available separately. 

Westerfield Models is available for custom casting work.  We can make castings from your patterns, both from your custom masters or your 3D printed masters.  Please see our Website, Main Page "Custom Castings" for more information.  Link to page:  http://westerfieldmodels.com/116622.html

Questions or Suggestions?  Feel free to email us at:  westerfieldmodels@....
 
Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
Westerfield Models, LLC
westerfieldmodels.com
westerfieldmodels@...
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Re: WESTERFIELD MODELS Newsletter

Tony Thompson
 

I tried to interest Walter Gray at CSRM in saving one of these. His reaction was, "it was built in 1925!" as though that was last week. HE was only interested in OLD stuff. Sigh.
Tony Thompson 


On Jul 27, 2018, at 12:49 PM, Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:

Friends,

These cars survived a long time, long enough for me to photograph one of the last in service in 1967. See my Album #7 on page 9 of our photo section for steel-sheathed B-50-15-A 114216. This car was one of a group of 175 still in service in October 1958. In Tony's book this car was listed among 210 renumbered from 31568-32615 in 1956. I don't know the specific purpose of the small sliding doors, beyond the obvious use for bulk cargo (my ORER is silent on this, and Tony's book says nothing about the doors either, but does note that some were used to carry bulk cement).

Another of these cars, still on its trucks, was used as a tool or materials shed just east of the Roseville diesel shops. IIRC, I finally got a photo of it before it was hauled away in the 1980s. When I finish scanning my father's slides, I will look for the picture among my negatives. If it turns up, I will add same to our album pages.

Neat cars, and anybody doing SP up to the 1960s should have at least one.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 7/27/18 1:46 PM, dahminator68 via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello Steam Era Modeler:
 
We are pleased to announce that Westerfield Models has several new Kits available now:

Our newest HO Kit release is the  
#12800 Series B-50-15 single sheathed box car with steel sheathing, Murphy radial roof and AB brakes for Southern Pacific and subsidiaries.  
We now have available:  
Kit #12801, SP Original Wood Sheathed version, Op Era 1925-1973
Kit #12862, SP Pacific Motor Trucking version, Op Era 1935-1944
Kit #12863, SP Overnight Service version, Op Era 1946-1955

Our One-Piece Body Kit covers series #14480-15229, 750 cars built in 1925 by Standard Steel Car Co.  The original single wood sheathed box cars differed from previous SP types in that they used hat section side posts of the 1924 design in a Pratt truss arrangement.  In 1935, SP began converting the cars to steel sheathing, first for Pacific Motor Trucking (PMT) service, then for Baggage Express (BX) service in 1942.  Freight versions of these cars also began receiving steel sheathing in this period and by the beginning of WWII, 930 cars in freight service had been converted (Total of all B-50-15 built versions was 3900 cars).  Beginning in 1942, the cars began receiving AB brakes as well. 
Many of the Original wood sheathed cars survived until the late 1960's with their original wood sides.  PMT cars were used until the early 1940's, being discontinued for World War II.  After the war, SP started a new service in 1946, called Overnight Service.  They used new box cars and B-50-15 cars.  This service lasted until the mid-1950's.

We have also posted photos on our Facebook page.

Our unpainted HO Kits include detail parts appropriate for the B-50-15, including the following details:
Improved Cast Urethane One-Piece Body Construction with Fine Details.
Urethane Castings of detail parts, including many car specific parts.
Detailed Hi-Tech rubber air hoses.
Yarmouth Etched Bronze Corner Steps and Carmer uncoupling levers.
Proprietary Multi-Color Decals covering all freight, PMT and Overnight versions of the car.
Detailed Step by Step Instructions and History Sheets with assembly and finished model photographs.
Recommended Trucks:  Tahoe Model Works TMW-109 or TMW-209 Barber Lateral Motion Trucks.
Tahoe TMW-109  or TMW-209 Barber Lateral  Trucks available separately or with Kit (See below).
Kadee Couplers are available separately.

These are now available direct from Westerfield Models.  Most of our Kits do not include trucks or couplers.  We do offer Tahoe Trucks and Kadee Trucks & Couplers for this Series of Kit and separately for our other Kits.  See the Kit versions listed below.  Operating Era for B-50-15 box cars covered by #12800 Series Kits: 1925-1973.  
Original Version Era:  1925-1942 (some 1973)     Modern Version Era: 1935-1973
PMT Version Era:  1935-1944                                  Overnight Version Era:  1946-1955

AVAILABLE NOW ON OUR WEBSITE UNDER "New Kit Releases".
KIT NUMBER:
12801  B-50-15 SS Box Car, Wood Sheathed, Murphy Radial Roof, No End Doors, K Brakes, Original, SP Freight         $45.00
12851  B-50-15 SS Box Car, Steel Sheathed, Murphy Radial Roof, No End Doors, AB Brakes, Modern, SP Freight        $45.00
12862  B-50-15 SS Box Car, Steel Sheathed, Murphy Radial Roof, No End Doors, K/AB Brakes, SP PMT Version           $48.00
12863  B-50-15 SS Box Car, Steel Sheathed, Murphy Radial Roof, No End Doors, AB Brakes, SP Overnight Version      $47.00
12881  B-50-15 SS Box Car Kit w/ Kadee #511 T Section Bettendorf OR Tahoe TMW-109 Trucks w/ Code 110 Whls    $52.00       
12882  B-50-15 SS Box Car Kit with Tahoe TMW-209 Trucks with Semi-Scale Wheels                                                         $52.00


All of the above Kits are available through our website:     
westerfieldmodels.com
We are also glad to accept orders via Mailed in Order Form or phone.

Westerfield Kits include new HO scale unpainted urethane castings, and are complete with quality details, detailed instruction/history sheets 
and proprietary decals covering all versions of the prototype car.   Trucks and couplers are not included but are available separately. 

Westerfield Models is available for custom casting work.  We can make castings from your patterns, both from your custom masters or your 3D printed masters.  Please see our Website, Main Page "Custom Castings" for more information.  Link to page:  http://westerfieldmodels.com/116622.html

Questions or Suggestions?  Feel free to email us at:  westerfieldmodels@....
 
Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
Westerfield Models, LLC
westerfieldmodels.com
westerfieldmodels@...
Like us on Facebook!











Re: WESTERFIELD MODELS Newsletter

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

These cars survived a long time, long enough for me to photograph one of the last in service in 1967. See my Album #7 on page 9 of our photo section for steel-sheathed B-50-15-A 114216. This car was one of a group of 175 still in service in October 1958. In Tony's book this car was listed among 210 renumbered from 31568-32615 in 1956. I don't know the specific purpose of the small sliding doors, beyond the obvious use for bulk cargo (my ORER is silent on this, and Tony's book says nothing about the doors either, but does note that some were used to carry bulk cement).

Another of these cars, still on its trucks, was used as a tool or materials shed just east of the Roseville diesel shops. IIRC, I finally got a photo of it before it was hauled away in the 1980s. When I finish scanning my father's slides, I will look for the picture among my negatives. If it turns up, I will add same to our album pages.

Neat cars, and anybody doing SP up to the 1960s should have at least one.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 7/27/18 1:46 PM, dahminator68 via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello Steam Era Modeler:
 
We are pleased to announce that Westerfield Models has several new Kits available now:

Our newest HO Kit release is the  
#12800 Series B-50-15 single sheathed box car with steel sheathing, Murphy radial roof and AB brakes for Southern Pacific and subsidiaries.  
We now have available:  
Kit #12801, SP Original Wood Sheathed version, Op Era 1925-1973
Kit #12862, SP Pacific Motor Trucking version, Op Era 1935-1944
Kit #12863, SP Overnight Service version, Op Era 1946-1955

Our One-Piece Body Kit covers series #14480-15229, 750 cars built in 1925 by Standard Steel Car Co.  The original single wood sheathed box cars differed from previous SP types in that they used hat section side posts of the 1924 design in a Pratt truss arrangement.  In 1935, SP began converting the cars to steel sheathing, first for Pacific Motor Trucking (PMT) service, then for Baggage Express (BX) service in 1942.  Freight versions of these cars also began receiving steel sheathing in this period and by the beginning of WWII, 930 cars in freight service had been converted (Total of all B-50-15 built versions was 3900 cars).  Beginning in 1942, the cars began receiving AB brakes as well. 
Many of the Original wood sheathed cars survived until the late 1960's with their original wood sides.  PMT cars were used until the early 1940's, being discontinued for World War II.  After the war, SP started a new service in 1946, called Overnight Service.  They used new box cars and B-50-15 cars.  This service lasted until the mid-1950's.

We have also posted photos on our Facebook page.

Our unpainted HO Kits include detail parts appropriate for the B-50-15, including the following details:
Improved Cast Urethane One-Piece Body Construction with Fine Details.
Urethane Castings of detail parts, including many car specific parts.
Detailed Hi-Tech rubber air hoses.
Yarmouth Etched Bronze Corner Steps and Carmer uncoupling levers.
Proprietary Multi-Color Decals covering all freight, PMT and Overnight versions of the car.
Detailed Step by Step Instructions and History Sheets with assembly and finished model photographs.
Recommended Trucks:  Tahoe Model Works TMW-109 or TMW-209 Barber Lateral Motion Trucks.
Tahoe TMW-109  or TMW-209 Barber Lateral  Trucks available separately or with Kit (See below).
Kadee Couplers are available separately.

These are now available direct from Westerfield Models.  Most of our Kits do not include trucks or couplers.  We do offer Tahoe Trucks and Kadee Trucks & Couplers for this Series of Kit and separately for our other Kits.  See the Kit versions listed below.  Operating Era for B-50-15 box cars covered by #12800 Series Kits: 1925-1973.  
Original Version Era:  1925-1942 (some 1973)     Modern Version Era: 1935-1973
PMT Version Era:  1935-1944                                  Overnight Version Era:  1946-1955

AVAILABLE NOW ON OUR WEBSITE UNDER "New Kit Releases".
KIT NUMBER:
12801  B-50-15 SS Box Car, Wood Sheathed, Murphy Radial Roof, No End Doors, K Brakes, Original, SP Freight         $45.00
12851  B-50-15 SS Box Car, Steel Sheathed, Murphy Radial Roof, No End Doors, AB Brakes, Modern, SP Freight        $45.00
12862  B-50-15 SS Box Car, Steel Sheathed, Murphy Radial Roof, No End Doors, K/AB Brakes, SP PMT Version           $48.00
12863  B-50-15 SS Box Car, Steel Sheathed, Murphy Radial Roof, No End Doors, AB Brakes, SP Overnight Version      $47.00
12881  B-50-15 SS Box Car Kit w/ Kadee #511 T Section Bettendorf OR Tahoe TMW-109 Trucks w/ Code 110 Whls    $52.00       
12882  B-50-15 SS Box Car Kit with Tahoe TMW-209 Trucks with Semi-Scale Wheels                                                         $52.00


All of the above Kits are available through our website:     
westerfieldmodels.com
We are also glad to accept orders via Mailed in Order Form or phone.

Westerfield Kits include new HO scale unpainted urethane castings, and are complete with quality details, detailed instruction/history sheets 
and proprietary decals covering all versions of the prototype car.   Trucks and couplers are not included but are available separately. 

Westerfield Models is available for custom casting work.  We can make castings from your patterns, both from your custom masters or your 3D printed masters.  Please see our Website, Main Page "Custom Castings" for more information.  Link to page:  http://westerfieldmodels.com/116622.html

Questions or Suggestions?  Feel free to email us at:  westerfieldmodels@....
 
Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
Westerfield Models, LLC
westerfieldmodels.com
westerfieldmodels@...
Like us on Facebook!











WESTERFIELD MODELS Newsletter, Vol 7, No 3 , July/August, 2018

dahminator68
 

Hello Steam Era Modeler:
 
We are pleased to announce that Westerfield Models has several new Kits available now:

Our newest HO Kit release is the  
#12800 Series B-50-15 single sheathed box car with steel sheathing, Murphy radial roof and AB brakes for Southern Pacific and subsidiaries.  
We now have available:  
Kit #12801, SP Original Wood Sheathed version, Op Era 1925-1973
Kit #12862, SP Pacific Motor Trucking version, Op Era 1935-1944
Kit #12863, SP Overnight Service version, Op Era 1946-1955

Our One-Piece Body Kit covers series #14480-15229, 750 cars built in 1925 by Standard Steel Car Co.  The original single wood sheathed box cars differed from previous SP types in that they used hat section side posts of the 1924 design in a Pratt truss arrangement.  In 1935, SP began converting the cars to steel sheathing, first for Pacific Motor Trucking (PMT) service, then for Baggage Express (BX) service in 1942.  Freight versions of these cars also began receiving steel sheathing in this period and by the beginning of WWII, 930 cars in freight service had been converted (Total of all B-50-15 built versions was 3900 cars).  Beginning in 1942, the cars began receiving AB brakes as well. 
Many of the Original wood sheathed cars survived until the late 1960's with their original wood sides.  PMT cars were used until the early 1940's, being discontinued for World War II.  After the war, SP started a new service in 1946, called Overnight Service.  They used new box cars and B-50-15 cars.  This service lasted until the mid-1950's.

We have also posted photos on our Facebook page.

Our unpainted HO Kits include detail parts appropriate for the B-50-15, including the following details:
Improved Cast Urethane One-Piece Body Construction with Fine Details.
Urethane Castings of detail parts, including many car specific parts.
Detailed Hi-Tech rubber air hoses.
Yarmouth Etched Bronze Corner Steps and Carmer uncoupling levers.
Proprietary Multi-Color Decals covering all freight, PMT and Overnight versions of the car.
Detailed Step by Step Instructions and History Sheets with assembly and finished model photographs.
Recommended Trucks:  Tahoe Model Works TMW-109 or TMW-209 Barber Lateral Motion Trucks.
Tahoe TMW-109  or TMW-209 Barber Lateral  Trucks available separately or with Kit (See below).
Kadee Couplers are available separately.

These are now available direct from Westerfield Models.  Most of our Kits do not include trucks or couplers.  We do offer Tahoe Trucks and Kadee Trucks & Couplers for this Series of Kit and separately for our other Kits.  See the Kit versions listed below.  Operating Era for B-50-15 box cars covered by #12800 Series Kits: 1925-1973.  
Original Version Era:  1925-1942 (some 1973)     Modern Version Era: 1935-1973
PMT Version Era:  1935-1944                                  Overnight Version Era:  1946-1955

AVAILABLE NOW ON OUR WEBSITE UNDER "New Kit Releases".
KIT NUMBER:
12801  B-50-15 SS Box Car, Wood Sheathed, Murphy Radial Roof, No End Doors, K Brakes, Original, SP Freight         $45.00
12851  B-50-15 SS Box Car, Steel Sheathed, Murphy Radial Roof, No End Doors, AB Brakes, Modern, SP Freight        $45.00
12862  B-50-15 SS Box Car, Steel Sheathed, Murphy Radial Roof, No End Doors, K/AB Brakes, SP PMT Version           $48.00
12863  B-50-15 SS Box Car, Steel Sheathed, Murphy Radial Roof, No End Doors, AB Brakes, SP Overnight Version      $47.00
12881  B-50-15 SS Box Car Kit w/ Kadee #511 T Section Bettendorf OR Tahoe TMW-109 Trucks w/ Code 110 Whls    $52.00       
12882  B-50-15 SS Box Car Kit with Tahoe TMW-209 Trucks with Semi-Scale Wheels                                                         $52.00


All of the above Kits are available through our website:     
westerfieldmodels.com
We are also glad to accept orders via Mailed in Order Form or phone.

Westerfield Kits include new HO scale unpainted urethane castings, and are complete with quality details, detailed instruction/history sheets 
and proprietary decals covering all versions of the prototype car.   Trucks and couplers are not included but are available separately. 

Westerfield Models is available for custom casting work.  We can make castings from your patterns, both from your custom masters or your 3D printed masters.  Please see our Website, Main Page "Custom Castings" for more information.  Link to page:  http://westerfieldmodels.com/116622.html

Questions or Suggestions?  Feel free to email us at:  westerfieldmodels@....
 
Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
Westerfield Models, LLC
westerfieldmodels.com
westerfieldmodels@...
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Re: Tichy Brake wheels was Tangent Horizontal Brake Wheels

Dennis Storzek
 

Those could be the two that are shown on the National Malleable page I mentioned.

I know all you guys really like styrene, but let me put in a plug for the old brass brake wheels that have been available from CalScale and PSC for a couple decades. None of the plastic brake wheels people have been posting pix of look any better. The brass wheels are indestructible. They can be soldered to the wire staff, which makes them very unlikely to come off. And, they can be easily dished if needed.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Tichy Brake wheels was Tangent Horizontal Brake Wheels

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Sorry for the duplication.  I didn't recall the earlier photos.
 
So, the two Tichy wheels are similar to two of the Tangent wheels, but lack the dishing.  Right?
 
Thanks,
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 10:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy Brake wheels was Tangent Horizontal Brake Wheels

Hi Steve, if you look back a few days you will see that these have already been discussed.

Bill Welch


Re: Tichy Brake wheels was Tangent Horizontal Brake Wheels

Bill Welch
 

Hi Steve, if you look back a few days you will see that these have already been discussed.

Bill Welch


Re: Tichy Brake wheels was Tangent Horizontal Brake Wheels

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Here are the two brake wheels from the Tichy KC brake set.  They appear to be flat, as opposed to dished and one has a casting void.  But they are 16" with 5 and 6 spokes.
 
Are they identifiable as prototype, or something more generic?
 
Thanks,
Steve Hile


Re: Tangent Horizontal Brake Wheels

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 04:57 AM, Gene Green wrote:
The right, 6-spoke wheel, could represent any of three wheels I found for which I can find no identification.  Since I have never found photos or drawings of such 6-spoke hand wheels in any of the hand brakes manufacturers' literature or ads, I tend to think these may have been really old hand wheels from some supplier back in Plate A days or hand wheels made by railroads.  I simply do not know.
Gene, there is a page in the 1922 CBC that shows National Malleable hand brake products; brake staff steps, roof brackets, ratchet and pawls, that also shows both five and six spoke wheels with curved spokes and no dish. As was stated before, the curved spoke design was actually a response to a molding problem, so everyone used it.
 
Nelson, to your question about diameters.  Beginning in the late 1930s horizontal hand wheels were 16" in diameter.  Earlier hand wheels were sometimes 15" in diameter.  Vertical wheel brakes have wheels 22" in diameter.  Earlier in the 1930s Miner produced a 24" vertical hand wheel.  Those 15" and 24" hand wheels would have been "grandfathered in" but would be rare nonetheless.
 
It might be worth noting that many of the hand brake manufacturers also supplied hand brakes designed for passenger cars, with the brake gear intended for "blind end cars" such as baggage cars arranged with a long shaft that passed through the car end so there was a hand brake wheel available both inside and outside the car. These were traditionally oversize wheels, although I can't find a reference to the actual diameter, possibly because they were intended for use without a brake club for added leverage. I modeled the gear as part of an etched brass kit some years ago, and had to include an etched brake wheel as there was simply nothing available. My notes say the cast six spoke wheel was 23" in diameter.

Dennis Storzek
 


Re: Tangent Horizontal Brake Wheels

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks for addressing my question, Gene. You’ve actually made things easier, because now I can substitute a plastic 16 in. brake wheel whenever one of the resin wheels is broken. At the breakage rate I’m seeing, that won’t take very long.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Green via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 6:57 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tangent Horizontal Brake Wheels

 

Bill, once again, excellent photos both of the hand wheels and your IC box car.  Perhaps you should give a clinic on your photography techniques.

 

Speaking about the hand wheels in your first photo only, the left, 5-spoke wheel, approximates the Equipco E-329 in use from 1932 to 1970 or the URECO 3428 in use from 1945 until . . . I don't know.   (Those two hand wheels were identical except for the markings.)  The web between spokes at the center of the wheel should be a little bigger, covering about half the distance from center to rim to better represent either of these hand wheels.  If, on the other hand, the web was a little smaller it would represent a Universal M1842 hand wheel.  The Universal hand wheel was slightly dished in the center.

 

The middle hand wheel is a gem - the Superior hand wheel used on great numbers of GATX-built tank cars.  I have drawings for two versions of that hand wheel.  Both are dished slightly.

 

The right, 6-spoke wheel, could represent any of three wheels I found for which I can find no identification.  Since I have never found photos or drawings of such 6-spoke hand wheels in any of the hand brakes manufacturers' literature or ads, I tend to think these may have been really old hand wheels from some supplier back in Plate A days or hand wheels made by railroads.  I simply do not know.

 

Judging by your photos, all three hand wheels appear to be dished about the correct amount.

 

Nelson, to your question about diameters.  Beginning in the late 1930s horizontal hand wheels were 16" in diameter.  Earlier hand wheels were sometimes 15" in diameter.  Vertical wheel brakes have wheels 22" in diameter.  Earlier in the 1930s Miner produced a 24" vertical hand wheel.  Those 15" and 24" hand wheels would have been "grandfathered in" but would be rare nonetheless.

 

I have never encountered either an extant example or any indication in literature - ads, etc. - a 20 inch diameter wheel, 6-spoke or otherwise, but, before the late 1930s, such certainly could have been produced.

 

I have never encountered a 16" diameter, forged hand wheel (forged = stamped) with anything other than straight spokes.  By the time forged hand wheels came into widespread use, the idea of company identity in the hand wheel had been dropped.  Indeed, in the case of 22" diameter hand wheels, there ended up being only two designs - deep and shallow - made by one company from dies owned by one hand brake manufacturer.  As a result every vertical wheel hand brake sold by any hand brake manufacturer ended up providing a modicum of profit to the hand brake manufacturer who owned the dies.  Notice I did not mention any names.  I have been sworn to secrecy.

 

Gene Green

 


Re: Tangent Horizontal Brake Wheels

Bill Welch
 

Thanks Gene, from what I can tell the third brake wheel is not Dished but the other two are Dished. The middle wheel also seems close the the typical brake wheel used by the Pennsy, not exact but close. I will use it if I do not have Red Caboose spares.

Regarding a photography clinic, I am turning it over in my head. Mike gave me permission to do something on the list and I have shot a couple of photos already. I need to find a partner who can speak/write about using phone cameras as I do not have one. I know the IPhone can be used for closeup.

Bill Welch