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Re: [Ry-ops-industrialSIG] [Proto-Layouts] Op Sessions

Douglas Harding
 

If you really want to get the old goats: provide a few walkers with the built in seats. Or lower the layout and give everyone an office chair. You might find an architects stool on casters that could work. Take the strain off the feet and back during a lull in the action.

 

Cal’s mention of the interlocking squares is good. I’m trying them, but find my office chair does not roll on the tiles, so when doing work under the layout they are a hindrance. I have thought of cutting a Japanese type sandal out of the foam tiles, a piece of Velcro for a strap and you would be set to go. Provide one set for each operator, much cheaper that covering the entire layout room floor, esp for a large layout.

 

I have used the foam backed carpet, get the end roll cast off strips at a big box store. But water issues in two houses have steered me away from the padded carpet. When the floor gets wet the carpet is a real pain.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: Ry-ops-industrialSIG@groups.io [mailto:Ry-ops-industrialSIG@groups.io] On Behalf Of Cal Sexsmith
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Subject: Re: [Ry-ops-industrialSIG] [Proto-Layouts] Op Sessions

 

Hello Jared:

 

I have not operated on the Alma Branch, although like Bill J it is on my bucket list. It's just that you are a long way away. 

 

I would think that breaking for lunch after arrival at Alma would be both appropriate and prototypical. If you still want to have lunch first a 15 to 20 minute break at that point might be a good idea. Also, what's on your floor? Those interlocking foam tiles certainly ease the foot and back strain when walking on concrete even if it is carpeted. A few strategically placed stools might also help for brief breaks while the train runs between towns. Just don't make them too comfortable :-)

 

Cal Sexsmith

 

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Subject: [Proto-Layouts] Op Sessions

 

I have monthly op sessions on my Santa Fe Alma branch layout. My layout is 22 1/2 x 30' with seven stations--Burlingame, Harveyville, Bradford, Eskridge, Hessdale, Allendorph, and Alma. I invite three guys to my home for lunch at noon. After lunch we go to the basment where my three visitors run trains 95/96 the daily except Sunday mixed train filling the functions of engineer, conductor and brakeman.  I am the question answerer, troubleshooter, etc.  I am 74.  The other operators range in age from their 30's to a few years older than I am.  The after lunch op sessions run from about 2 1/2 hours to 4 hours.  As the operating group gets more geezerly our backs, legs and feet start failing us and we start to hurt.  Ways have been discussed on how reduce our physical suffering and maintain our enjoyment.  Several things have bee suggested:

 

1.  The prototype train was an out and back operation  Train 95 went from Burlingame to Alma in the morning.  When their work was done at Alma they ate lunch.  It has been suggested that we follow the prototype's lead, i.e.  have the guys arrive about 10:30, run train 95, and then go upstairs for lunch.  After lunch we can go back to our jobs running train 96.  One of our locals breaks his op session at lunch.  After lunch we return to operating until the ops are finished  Unfortunately some of the crew leaves and with just three crew that doesn't work.

2.  Running train 95  could be one op session  on one day.  Train 96 could run another day in another op session.  Seems to me that would ruin continutiy.

 

Anyway, I would like to hear your suggestions.

 

Jared Harper

 




Re: Op Sessions

mike turner
 

Scott,

You know us way too well.

That hurts. :)

Mike

MP-Z35

On 3/25/2019 10:43 PM, Scott Chatfield wrote:
If your backs and feet and knees hurt too much you could go full-prototype and abandon the line.  Pull up the rails, cover the roadbed with weeds, let the local volunteer fire department burn a depot or elevator for practice (Heather would love watch that!), etc.  Then the old farts could eat lunch then go downstairs and reminisce about the "good old days" when Death Valley Scotty ran the varnish across the Alma Branch at 85 mph or whatever delusions old farts come up with....

Might I suggest a bathroom break after turning the train at Alma.  And some of those interlocking foam floor mats for the area around Burlingame because folks spend a lot of time there standing around scratching their heads....


Scott Chatfield


Re: Op Sessions

D. Scott Chatfield
 

If your backs and feet and knees hurt too much you could go full-prototype and abandon the line.  Pull up the rails, cover the roadbed with weeds, let the local volunteer fire department burn a depot or elevator for practice (Heather would love watch that!), etc.  Then the old farts could eat lunch then go downstairs and reminisce about the "good old days" when Death Valley Scotty ran the varnish across the Alma Branch at 85 mph or whatever delusions old farts come up with....

Might I suggest a bathroom break after turning the train at Alma.  And some of those interlocking foam floor mats for the area around Burlingame because folks spend a lot of time there standing around scratching their heads....


Scott Chatfield


Re: Op Sessions

John Barry
 

Jared,

I would vote for the lunch break option.  We do that at Jeff Mutter's and I don't recall losing many if any guys at the break.  Adjusting your start time to split the session also allows an earlier departure without compromising any of your current scheme as you already have lunch.

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Monday, March 25, 2019, 6:55:23 PM EDT, Jared Harper <harperandbrown@...> wrote:


I have monthly op sessions on my Santa Fe Alma branch layout. My layout is 22 1/2 x 30' with seven stations--Burlingame, Harveyville, Bradford, Eskridge, Hessdale, Allendorph, and Alma. I invite three guys to my home for lunch at noon. After lunch we go to the basment where my three visitors run trains 95/96 the daily except Sunday mixed train filling the functions of engineer, conductor and brakeman.  I am the question answerer, troubleshooter, etc.  I am 74.  The other operators range in age from their 30's to a few years older than I am.  The after lunch op sessions run from about 2 1/2 hours to 4 hours.  As the operating group gets more geezerly our backs, legs and feet start failing us and we start to hurt.  Ways have been discussed on how reduce our physical suffering and maintain our enjoyment.  Several things have bee suggested:

1.  The prototype train was an out and back operation  Train 95 went from Burlingame to Alma in the morning.  When their work was done at Alma they ate lunch.  It has been suggested that we follow the prototype's lead, i.e.  have the guys arrive about 10:30, run train 95, and then go upstairs for lunch.  After lunch we can go back to our jobs running train 96.  One of our locals breaks his op session at lunch.  After lunch we return to operating until the ops are finished  Unfortunately some of the crew leaves and with just three crew that doesn't work.
2.  Running train 95  could be one op session  on one day.  Train 96 could run another day in another op session.  Seems to me that would ruin continutiy.

Anyway, I would like to hear your suggestions.

Jared Harper


Re: Change of Scale

Scott
 

Proto48 is pretty tempting for sure.

Scott McDonald


Op Sessions

Jared Harper
 

I have monthly op sessions on my Santa Fe Alma branch layout. My layout is 22 1/2 x 30' with seven stations--Burlingame, Harveyville, Bradford, Eskridge, Hessdale, Allendorph, and Alma. I invite three guys to my home for lunch at noon. After lunch we go to the basment where my three visitors run trains 95/96 the daily except Sunday mixed train filling the functions of engineer, conductor and brakeman.  I am the question answerer, troubleshooter, etc.  I am 74.  The other operators range in age from their 30's to a few years older than I am.  The after lunch op sessions run from about 2 1/2 hours to 4 hours.  As the operating group gets more geezerly our backs, legs and feet start failing us and we start to hurt.  Ways have been discussed on how reduce our physical suffering and maintain our enjoyment.  Several things have bee suggested:

1.  The prototype train was an out and back operation  Train 95 went from Burlingame to Alma in the morning.  When their work was done at Alma they ate lunch.  It has been suggested that we follow the prototype's lead, i.e.  have the guys arrive about 10:30, run train 95, and then go upstairs for lunch.  After lunch we can go back to our jobs running train 96.  One of our locals breaks his op session at lunch.  After lunch we return to operating until the ops are finished  Unfortunately some of the crew leaves and with just three crew that doesn't work.
2.  Running train 95  could be one op session  on one day.  Train 96 could run another day in another op session.  Seems to me that would ruin continutiy.

Anyway, I would like to hear your suggestions.

Jared Harper


Re: Change of Scale

Allan Smith
 

I am going back to HO and have a large inventory of O Scale. If you are changing to O Scale and are interested please contact me at Smithal9@...


On ‎Sunday‎, ‎March‎ ‎24‎, ‎2019‎ ‎10‎:‎15‎:‎41‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PDT, benjamin <bheinley@...> wrote:


I'd like to see your list.  My email is bheinley@....
Thanks-Ben Heinley

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 7:11 PM Jeremy Dummler <jkdummler@...> wrote:
All,
After many years of modeling in HO, my vision no longer will allow me to continue.  I’m going to change scale upward and keep building.

That said, I have some HO equipment that now needs new homes.  Anyone interested in seeing the list of kits or the photos of finished cars that are available, please contact me off-list.  The equipment sold will fund the scale change.

Thank you,
Jeremy Dummler
Wauconda, IL



Eastern PA 2 Rail O Scale Train Show and Swap meet April 6th Strasburg PA

Rich Yoder
 

It’s that time of year again. Come on out to the Eastern PA 2 rail O Scale swap meet and train show April 6th, Doors open at 9:00 am. The show is over at 1:00 PM dealers will be open until 1:00 PM   Admission at the door is $5.00 Wives, Children, and Active Military with ID are free! Come enjoy good Lancaster County hospitality and Amish style cooking. No smoking on the premises. Visit the Strasburg Railroad, Pennsylvania State Railroad Museum, or spend a night at the Red Caboose Motel. If you’re interested in a table fill out the information on the attachment and mail it in. If your service provider doesn’t include the attachment Reply and I’ll forward it to you.

Location: Strasburg PA Fire Company 203 W Franklin St. Strasburg PA 17579

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Strasburg+Fire+company/@39.9815868,-76.1832858,17z/data=!4m7!1m4!3m3!1s0x89c63a1c210dcfdd:0x2de668e25b2419f0!2s203+W+Franklin+St,+Strasburg,+PA+17579!3b1!3m1!1s0x0:0xf055ac77944cae3d?hl=en

 


W&LE Builder's Photo

Bill Welch
 

Maybe this was mentioned earlier but here is a very nice Builder's photo of these cars: https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/albums/72157649155982802/with/39766070301/

Bill Welch


Re: Ladder material?

Pierre Oliver
 

Sylvan Scale Models offered etched caboose ladder stiles for their CNR caboose kit
They are available again 


On Mar 24, 2019, at 11:02 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

Somebody used to make etched caboose ladders.  They were kind of a bear to assemble but you supplied wire to go through the etched stiles and soldered it all together.  The top ends of the stiles were hook-shaped so that the roof end could be bent to make an attachment tab, and since they were to be bent by the modeler, they could be made uneven to sit properly on a sloping or round roof.  I made a bunch of these for the Club’s caboose fleet.  Unfortunately I cannot recall “Somebody’s” name.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Sykes III via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 8:53 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ladder material?

 

You can buy caboose ladders already made with the loop in the top as parts from Athearn.

-- John


Re: Change of Scale

benjamin
 

I'd like to see your list.  My email is bheinley@....
Thanks-Ben Heinley


On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 7:11 PM Jeremy Dummler <jkdummler@...> wrote:
All,
After many years of modeling in HO, my vision no longer will allow me to continue.  I’m going to change scale upward and keep building.

That said, I have some HO equipment that now needs new homes.  Anyone interested in seeing the list of kits or the photos of finished cars that are available, please contact me off-list.  The equipment sold will fund the scale change.

Thank you,
Jeremy Dummler
Wauconda, IL



Re: Ladder material?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Yep, that’s the ticket.  Your email, Johannes, came while I was typing out my last message.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 10:51 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ladder material?

 

Hello Rich,

 

I remember Taurus Products brass caboose ladders:

 

 

These certainly look much better than any stamped and bent "ladder strip".

 

Johannes

Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

 

Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. März 2019 um 02:18 Uhr
Von: "Rich Gibson via Groups.Io" <richgibson89@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Ladder material?

Speaking of ladders....
Does anyone currently manufacture metal ladder material in long pieces that can be cut to desired length?  I’ve been scratchbuilding cabooses and have found that I do not have the material to fabricate the ladders that include the rails that go up onto the roof. The individual ladder pieces need to be at least 13’ (HO) long so that the rungs can be removed along a portion and stiles bent into the roof. The only material I’ve found so far is stuff leftover from old wood kits. Ladders by Yarmouth model works are not long enough and Plastruct material does not bend sufficiently. Any ideas welcome. 

Rich Gibson
Golden, CO


Re: Ladder material?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Somebody used to make etched caboose ladders.  They were kind of a bear to assemble but you supplied wire to go through the etched stiles and soldered it all together.  The top ends of the stiles were hook-shaped so that the roof end could be bent to make an attachment tab, and since they were to be bent by the modeler, they could be made uneven to sit properly on a sloping or round roof.  I made a bunch of these for the Club’s caboose fleet.  Unfortunately I cannot recall “Somebody’s” name.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Sykes III via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 8:53 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ladder material?

 

You can buy caboose ladders already made with the loop in the top as parts from Athearn.

-- John


Change of Scale

Jeremy Dummler
 

All,
After many years of modeling in HO, my vision no longer will allow me to continue. I’m going to change scale upward and keep building.

That said, I have some HO equipment that now needs new homes. Anyone interested in seeing the list of kits or the photos of finished cars that are available, please contact me off-list. The equipment sold will fund the scale change.

Thank you,
Jeremy Dummler
Wauconda, IL


Re: Kind of interesting CB&Q boxcar.

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

Could the cars have been built for the same type of service (aircraft parts) as the XA-14D raised roof single sheathed 50 ft DD Boxcars rebuilt in 1942 for B-26 Marauder wings and later the B-29 Superfortress fuselage housings applied to 69 FM-14 Flatcars in 1944?

Charlie Vlk  

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rupert Gamlen
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 1:50 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Kind of interesting CB&Q boxcar.

 

Scott

20507 was a class XP-1A built in 1942 at Galesburg, one of only 10 in the class (20500-20509), with a mono rail and hoist, and an end door 9’ 1” x 10’.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Saturday, 23 March 2019 6:34 p.m.
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Kind of interesting CB&Q boxcar.

 

Does anybody have any information on this car in the ebay page below?  It says it was taken in 1963 but it looks like its been around for a while.  Lots of little interesting details on it lime the roof to side transition and side rivit pattern.  I wonder if this was a rebuild of a single sheathed car?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPLICATE-RAILROAD-SLIDE-CHICAGO-BURLINGTON-amp-QUINCY-20507-boxcar-TEXAS-1963-/143168131329?txnId=0

Scott McDonald

_._,_._,_

 


Re: Piedmont & Northern Boxcar, another candidate for Vulcan ends

Dennis Storzek
 

As we discussed before, the ends with eight outward ribs were a Murphy product as used on an order of Pere Marquette cars, which in fact this may be because the P&N picked up a lot of second hand equipment.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Piedmont & Northern Boxcar, another candidate for Vulcan ends

Scott
 

That car is in really good shape for its age.  Looks like fresh paint for sure.  Thats an interesting car for sure.

Scott McDonald


Dollar Tree HO gondola or flat car loads

Steven D Johnson
 

Group,

 

I was in the local Dollar Tree store recently and happened to see some “Military Playset” toys.  One of the sets included an Army tank and some sort of short cylindrical apparatus mounted on a pedestal, all molded in plastic in “olive drab,” with black-painted “conduits” and silver “control boxes.”  I don’t know what these are supposed to represent, if anything, but they look similar to some industrial vessels I found on the internet.  The metal and plastic Army tank can be tossed or given to a kid. 

 

With a minimum of work, mainly on the seams on the vessel itself, and repainting, these look to make pretty good HO gondola or flat car loads.  I haven’t tried it, but it appears the vessel section could be removed from the pedestal.  There is enough space on the underside the pedestal to add weight if desired. 

 

Three of them fit nicely into a Proto 2000 gondola, as you can see here, with room for wood bracing around each unit.  These would look great as flat car loads too.

 

For $6.00 total, I bought enough for two car loads, and may go back for some more.  I  happened to be near a Dollar Tree store on the other side of Nashville, so went in to see if they had any different sets with other potential loads, but that store didn’t have any of those military sets at all.  So all stores apparently don’t carry the same items. 

 

Anyway, I thought some in the group would find this of interest.

 

Steve Johnson

Nashville, TN 

 

 

 


Re: Piedmont & Northern Boxcar, another candidate for Vulcan ends

al_brown03
 

The P&N ends have eight "outie" ribs on each side, where the W&LE ends have six "innies".

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Piedmont & Northern Boxcar, another candidate for Vulcan ends

Bill Welch
 

After posting the info about the High Point Thomasville and Denton from the Prince book, it occurred to me that the Vulcan end car could likely be a Piedmont & Northern boxcar. Now not so sure as it appears rib count may be different. Interesting possibility however.

Bill Welch

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