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Re: [Proto-Layouts] Weight and sound in a Steam loco

Philip Taylor
 

Eric

Thanks for posting.  A key point that needs to be re-iterated is that the weight when added to a steam locomotive needs to be done so the balance point is over the center of the drivers.  

Philip Taylor


On Mar 18, 2019, at 7:00 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Pete Hall shares tips to install sound in a steam loco. He also added extra weight to help pull freight cars around. It's the latest post on the Resin Car Works blog.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/adding-weight-and-sound-to-a-steam-loco/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

gtws00
 

Nicely Done. 
George Toman


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR Flatcar

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Agree; That is SOP on the PRR.

Elden Gatwood

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I think they are just brake wheels and staffs that have been removed from the left and center flat cars to provide clearance for the load. The right-most flat car has a brake wheel in place. The left-most has no sign of a brake wheel that I can see. The center one has no brake wheel either.

As for going around curves, I suspect the American Bridge Company's fixtures or whatever they are called allowed the load to rotate a bit.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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I do not believe the "brake-wheels" showing on the car sides actuate the brakes. Note that the far car has a vertical brake staff in the typical end location. The location of the "brake-wheels" gets me thinking they have something to do with adjusting the load supports. I do wonder how things worked when the cars encountered a curve. As in the full-train picture.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Weight and sound in a Steam loco

Eric Hansmann
 

Pete Hall shares tips to install sound in a steam loco. He also added extra weight to help pull freight cars around. It's the latest post on the Resin Car Works blog.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/adding-weight-and-sound-to-a-steam-loco/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: NKP Consist

William Hirt
 

Though a little late for this list, GN train 1/88 wheel report on April 17, 1968 shows the train leaving Willmar MN with a WAG boxcar added at Willmar loaded with wheat routed Minneapolis - Galesburg IL - Denver CO with eventual delivery to Colorado Milling & Elevator Co. Obviously nowhere near the most direct route. Real wheel reports I have often show some really strange routings. One retired railroad official gave a talk I attended about freight routing pre-Staggers Act. Often times he said fast and damage free service provided a large deciding factor since the rates were pretty much the same no matter what route was chosen.

Bill Hirt

On 3/17/2019 12:36 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Well, yeah, that’s true,. But the circuity would have been ridiculous.  They would have had to haul the car(s) to Mt Morris in NJ via Scranton.

    Welcome to real railroading, Schuyler. Shippers specified what they wanted, and many, many "circuitous" routings were in the "approved" lists. 


Re: need help: Southern low side gon lettering 1929

Eric Hansmann
 

Dave B,

I think you have the first panel correct. 

On the second panel, I believe the weight line starts with the location and weigh date. Then a WT and the weight.

The small lettering on the third panel might be a builder's badge. It could also be a special instruction.


B&O Eric

In TN



need help: Southern low side gon lettering 1929 On March 17, 2019 at 4:40 PM A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I need your interpretive eye help.  I'm going to create a Ghost decal for the gondola pictured below. Other than one rib off (8 instead of 9) the Ertl model is almost perfect for this number series (add a .005 gusset at each corner top and some archer rivets and choose some Yarmouth twist stirrups and other than the missing side rib, it's really close.  Yes, the Speedwitch Media 1937 gon (of which I have a couple of kits) may have the ribs, but I got 3 Ertl gons for $16 on eBay recently so I can live without the rib for the price difference in developing a fleet for my layout.

The photo is a blow up from the Duke University construction photos of 1928-1929. You can get the full photo at
https://repository.duke.edu/dc/dukeconstruction/19290301WC0174  This is the West Campus Progress Picture #174.  This photo is dated 1929 and the gondola built date is '24.  I'm going to say this gon made it to '34 without repainting, just usual reweighing and repacking.   I'll make a simplified '34 scheme later, but I like the way the data are laid out here.   So any help would be appreciated.  There are several similar series Southern gondolas as well as other cars from other railroads in this photo series if you're not familiar with it. Attached are part of two lettering diagrams from the Southern, one for 1921 and one for 1928 (I don't have a gondola specific lettering diagram for that time). They may give you more of a clue than I got.   Anyway, on to my help request!

First panel from left.  No idea what that tiny writing next to the grab is, but I'm guessing it might be the "United States Safety Appliances Standard" lettering found on both the '21 and '28 lettering guides.

Second panel.  I'm comfortable that the CAPY has a bracket for the top row "958 CU FT" and the next row "100,000 LBS"   as I saw those values in Note K for an ORER entry for this series of gondolas and while the bracket is not in the box car lettering diagram, I can see it here and I will include it.  But the next line should be "LT WT 40000" and I cannot tell if that is just some scuff marks or is there something else stencilled there.   I'm confident the next line is "LOAD LIMIT 129000".  That tiny writing below could be repack data.  I don't think it is chalk marks.  Looks too regular. Guesses?

Third panel.  I'm trying to figure out the small lettering above the rivets here, but no clue unless that is repack data (but they all cannot be repack data).  About all I could even guess is that bottom right corner is "GA" or "KA".   Clearly under the rivets is "BUILT 7-1924"

Any suggestions or help from other sources would be much appreciated!

Dave Bott



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Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


need help: Southern low side gon lettering 1929

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Hi all,

I need your interpretive eye help.  I'm going to create a Ghost decal for the gondola pictured below. Other than one rib off (8 instead of 9) the Ertl model is almost perfect for this number series (add a .005 gusset at each corner top and some archer rivets and choose some Yarmouth twist stirrups and other than the missing side rib, it's really close.  Yes, the Speedwitch Media 1937 gon (of which I have a couple of kits) may have the ribs, but I got 3 Ertl gons for $16 on eBay recently so I can live without the rib for the price difference in developing a fleet for my layout.

The photo is a blow up from the Duke University construction photos of 1928-1929. You can get the full photo at
https://repository.duke.edu/dc/dukeconstruction/19290301WC0174 This is the West Campus Progress Picture #174.  This photo is dated 1929 and the gondola built date is '24.  I'm going to say this gon made it to '34 without repainting, just usual reweighing and repacking.   I'll make a simplified '34 scheme later, but I like the way the data are laid out here.   So any help would be appreciated.  There are several similar series Southern gondolas as well as other cars from other railroads in this photo series if you're not familiar with it. Attached are part of two lettering diagrams from the Southern, one for 1921 and one for 1928 (I don't have a gondola specific lettering diagram for that time). They may give you more of a clue than I got.   Anyway, on to my help request!

First panel from left.  No idea what that tiny writing next to the grab is, but I'm guessing it might be the "United States Safety Appliances Standard" lettering found on both the '21 and '28 lettering guides.

Second panel.  I'm comfortable that the CAPY has a bracket for the top row "958 CU FT" and the next row "100,000 LBS"   as I saw those values in Note K for an ORER entry for this series of gondolas and while the bracket is not in the box car lettering diagram, I can see it here and I will include it.  But the next line should be "LT WT 40000" and I cannot tell if that is just some scuff marks or is there something else stencilled there.   I'm confident the next line is "LOAD LIMIT 129000".  That tiny writing below could be repack data.  I don't think it is chalk marks.  Looks too regular. Guesses?

Third panel.  I'm trying to figure out the small lettering above the rivets here, but no clue unless that is repack data (but they all cannot be repack data).  About all I could even guess is that bottom right corner is "GA" or "KA".   Clearly under the rivets is "BUILT 7-1924"

Any suggestions or help from other sources would be much appreciated!

Dave Bott



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NPRHA Decals for Rapido Boxcar Available

Dean ONeill
 

STMFC,
The NPRHA has developed a decal set in HO scale for the NP 10000 series boxcars, recently manufactured by Rapido.
The sheet includes unique stencils, common placards/forms, reweigh/lube stencils, paint patches, and also material to decal one car from scratch. The decals were printed by Cartograph in Italy, so quality/resolution is superb. We relied on steam-era photos to recreate 70% of the chalk marks. The included attachments give some examples, some of which MIGHT be applicable to non-NP modelers.
I would also like to add that the NPRHA store still has these RTR boxcars available, although they are going fast. The un-numbered cars can be decaled with this decal sheet. 
Decals (8$ shipped)
http://store.nprha.org/complete-decal-set-for-rapido-np-10000-series-boxcar
Models: ($37.50)
http://store.nprha.org/modeling/cars/

Thank you,
Dean O'Neill
Northern Pacific Railway Historical Association


PS - BIG THANKS to Rapido for the fantastic production job on this model!
PPS - The 36 and 48 inch NORTHERN PACIFIC Monads might be the best ever printed, so those could be used elsewhere. 


Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

David
 

The car on Fox trucks is another Reading gondola, from a group of two orders for 1250 cars (8350-9349 and 9350-9599) built by Pressed Steel in 1900-01.

David Thompson


Re: Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

The C&O had flat cars with low, side guard-rails for loading wagons.


Al Kresse

On March 16, 2019 at 5:05 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

Flat car.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Mar 16, 2019, at 4:19 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io < chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Which type of car is this?

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-05-18/X5810.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


 


 


Re: PRR Flatcar

Richard Townsend
 

I think they are just brake wheels and staffs that have been removed from the left and center flat cars to provide clearance for the load. The right-most flat car has a brake wheel in place. The left-most has no sign of a brake wheel that I can see. The center one has no brake wheel either.

As for going around curves, I suspect the American Bridge Company's fixtures or whatever they are called allowed the load to rotate a bit.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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From: spsalso via Groups.Io <Edwardsutorik@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Mar 17, 2019 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR Flatcar

I do not believe the "brake-wheels" showing on the car sides actuate the brakes.  Note that the far car has a vertical brake staff in the typical end location.  The location of the "brake-wheels" gets me thinking they have something to do with adjusting the load supports.  I do wonder how things worked when the cars encountered a curve.  As in the full-train picture.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: PRR Flatcar

spsalso
 

I do not believe the "brake-wheels" showing on the car sides actuate the brakes.  Note that the far car has a vertical brake staff in the typical end location.  The location of the "brake-wheels" gets me thinking they have something to do with adjusting the load supports.  I do wonder how things worked when the cars encountered a curve.  As in the full-train picture.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Steve Salotti
 

Unfortunately I can't answer the question of the car type, but does anyone know where East Boyer was located? It doesn't show on any maps I have access to.  

And here is my build of the F&C Reading Hopper at Okonite Corporation in Paterson New Jersey with a load of cable reels, which probably needs better bracing.

Steve Salotti


B&O experimental hoppers

Richard Townsend
 

Is there a good source of information (photos, dimensions) on the B&O's experimental hoppers of the 1930s?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR

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Re: NKP Consist

al_brown03
 

According to Boyd and Antz, "L&HR in Color", pp 82-83, the L&HR ran two round-trip freights a day between Port Morris and Maybrook up until the E-L merger.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: NKP Consist

Tony Thompson
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Well, yeah, that’s true,. But the circuity would have been ridiculous.  They would have had to haul the car(s) to Mt Morris in NJ via Scranton.

    Welcome to real railroading, Schuyler. Shippers specified what they wanted, and many, many "circuitous" routings were in the "approved" lists. 

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Re: Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Jim,

Sorry. I didn't realize until I re-read your post that you were referring to the Reading car. I was thinking too much about that unmarked car with the Fox trucks acting as an idler for the Holland submarine.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 3/17/19 7:17 AM, James Musgrove via Groups.Io wrote:
The Reading.


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Jim,

Thanks for the info, but what road?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 3/17/19 5:55 AM, James Musgrove via Groups.Io wrote:
It is a class GHd class gondola car.
 
29500 - 29999 built 1918 under AFE #7403 by Standard Steel Car $2317.85 each new Trust Series "G"
 
29711 build completion date was February 21, 1918 and was retired in May 1948.
 
Regards,
Jim Musgrove
Fredericksburg, VA



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From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
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Sent: Sat, Mar 16, 2019 10:46 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

David,

If you mean the rods on the right hand side of the photo (not the rebar in the center left), then these are the rods that actuate the interlocking plant. This is a manual interlocking and the rods run back to the tower and control the switches and signals in the interlocking from the "Armstrong" machine.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL



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Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 7:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?
 
Details:

Why the 3-link chains on the ends?

What are the ~3/4-inch rods on the ground?

What’s the lading?  Limestone?



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
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Re: NKP Consist

Tim O'Connor
 

Schuyler,

ROUTES were under SHIPPER control. You would have to verify that none of the
other railroads bid to participate in ANY tariffs before you can say that none
of the traffic went by those routes. Circuitous routes were, and still are, a
part of railroading.

Tim O'



On 3/16/2019 11:30 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io wrote:

Well, yeah, that’s true,. But the circuity would have been ridiculous.  They would have had to haul the car(s) to Mt Morris in NJ via Scranton.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Mang
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 10:20 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP Consist

 

Tim,

 

The Lackawanna's route to Maybrook was via the L&HR, interchanging at Port Morris NJ. Cars were sent to the New Haven via ferry, but the L&HR connection was better.

 

Michael Mang




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MILW steam decals

Clark Propst
 

Looking for a set of Milwaukee steam decals so I can use my engine to pull my prototype freight cars  ;  ))
Thanks for any help, Please contact off list at:  cepropst@q.com
CW Propst


Re: Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Andy Brusgard <ajb1102@...>
 

Looks like three car loads of crushed stone and more than a few bags of cement.
If all they have is that little concrete mixer, that crew is going to be there a long time.

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