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Re: Mystery Tank Car

mark_landgraf
 

I found the photo on page 392 of the 1937 CBC.

However the drawings make it look like there is aconcave shape to the top of the cast to allow the tank to be cradled.

Mark


On Friday, October 12, 2018, 7:58:56 PM EDT, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:


Jon,

From the ATSF Tank Car book pg 71 the GSC one piece cast tank bottom/bolsters/draft gear appeared in the 1937 CBC.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
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Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mystery Tank Car

On 10/12/2018 12:20 PM, mark_landgraf via Groups.Io wrote:
If the casting came from Commonwealth
    One of the CBCs has a picture of the casting but can't remember the year off the top of my head.  Doubt anyone is going to pay those prices for the drawings.
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Re: CGW 1937 boxcar instructions

skibbs4
 

Doug-

A digital version of last year’s attendee program, which includes the Mini-Kit information, can be found on our site here:


Hope that helps. 

Mike Skibbe

On Oct 12, 2018, at 12:36 PM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Does anyone have a copy of the instructions for last year’s Chicagoland CGW boxcar mini-kit they could send me? I’ve finally pulled mine off the shelf (must be next weekend has me inspired) and I cannot locate any instructions.

Send to doug.harding at iowacentralrr.org

Thanks

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: CGW 1937 boxcar instructions

Douglas Harding
 

Yes I found that. But wasn't there something in last year's registration packet? I have misplaced mine. Just trying to figure out what some of the small resin parts are for.


Re: Mystery Tank Car

John Barry
 

Jon,

From the ATSF Tank Car book pg 71 the GSC one piece cast tank bottom/bolsters/draft gear appeared in the 1937 CBC.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mystery Tank Car

On 10/12/2018 12:20 PM, mark_landgraf via Groups.Io wrote:
If the casting came from Commonwealth
    One of the CBCs has a picture of the casting but can't remember the year off the top of my head.  Doubt anyone is going to pay those prices for the drawings.
-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS



Re: Mystery Tank Car

Jon Miller
 

On 10/12/2018 12:20 PM, mark_landgraf via Groups.Io wrote:
If the casting came from Commonwealth

    One of the CBCs has a picture of the casting but can't remember the year off the top of my head.  Doubt anyone is going to pay those prices for the drawings.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Fw: New Era Decals Released

hubert mask
 



From: Hubert Mask
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 1:08 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: New Era Decals Released
 
Mask Island Decals is pleased to announce the release of two new decal sets.

Chicago & North Western quad hoppers   1937 and 1940 builds.  Decal set does one each.  Logo   The Northwestern Line with CNW beneath and Chicago Northwestern Line. 

Price $7.00

Also 40' orange EJ&E with outerbelt logo and around NOT-THRU.   Set does two cars.  Price $7.00. 50 build era.

Visit my web site maskislanddecals.com.   These sets listed under freight cars.  decals are listed alphabetically by RAILROAD.

Thank you!   Hope to see you in Chicago.

Hubert Mask

Mask Island Decals Inc.


Re: Mystery Tank Car

Jake Schaible
 


Re: Mystery Tank Car

mark_landgraf
 

Gentlemen

Thank you for all of your factual information.

For those of you that are curious, this drawing came in a collection that I am scanning from a guy in Reading PA. It appears to be a lone ATSF drawing.  The scanned image is 166 megs in size.  If somebody would like to set up a dropbox account, I'd be more than happy to upload it.

This drawing is strangely devoid of a lot of the kind of info that you would normally expect to find, like who built it, their drawing number, how many gallons, etc,  While the drawing has the road #s 108,000 to 108,099 on it, I place greater faith in the numbers in the photos.  The photos seem to compare favorably with the photos that you graciously supplied.

The equipment on the top of the 5ft 9in diameter dome appears to be correct.

The only casting on the dome appears to be a rather common man way hatch that I have generic drawings for. I'll upload those too.

The drawing shows what appears to be a large T shaped casting that includes the entire body bolster and draft gear.

If the casting came from Commonwealth or General Steel castings, those drawings are available from Amsted Rail of Chicago IL. In the time frame that we are in here, the casting number would be about 20,000 in their files.  This info is all on microfilm and is fairly well cataloged.  It would be part of the Columbus Steel Castings collection that they acquired in Dec 2016. Expect to open the checkbook fairly wide.  When Columbus still had the archives, it cost $100/hr for research, and a $100 a drawing for the first 10 drawings, then it got a little cheaper.  I would recommend that you coordinate who is going to contact Amsted.

Silly question - are any of these preserved?  if yes, having photos of the numbers on the castings would be helpful.

Does anybody have the GATC construction lot number?

Mark
 





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ATSF Tk-L tank car

Tim O'Connor
 

more builder photos

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*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: CGW 1937 boxcar instructions

Eric Hansmann
 

Doug,

 

Photos and details for the CGW mini-kit can be found on the RPM Chicagoland forum.

 

http://www.rpmconference.com/forum/index.php?threads/2017-mini-kit-thread-cgw-920000-series-boxcar.13/

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 12:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] CGW 1937 boxcar instructions

 

Does anyone have a copy of the instructions for last year’s Chicagoland CGW boxcar mini-kit they could send me? I’ve finally pulled mine off the shelf (must be next weekend has me inspired) and I cannot locate any instructions.

Send to doug.harding at iowacentralrr.org

Thanks

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Mystery Tank Car

Brian Carlson
 

On Oct 12, 2018, at 12:25 PM, mark_landgraf via Groups.Io <mark_landgraf@...> wrote:




 Gentlemen

I have a Tank Car General Arrangement drawing with no railroad or manufacturer marking.

The drawing number is expressed as a fraction, 18-A over 1171
The date on the drawing is Oct 4 1929, although the drawing includes an Ajax power hand brake unit
It has a large diameter single dome
The tank is 9ft 6in in diameter, and is approximately 31 ft long
The car is 36ft 2 in long over the strikers
The Polling pocket is incorporated into the end of the body bolster.
It is classified as a TK L
The group of cars had the road numbers 108,000 to 108,099

Can anyone identify the manufacturer or who the car belonged to?

Thanks
Mark Landgraf
Albany NY





Re: Mystery Tank Car

Jon Miller
 

On 10/12/2018 10:38 AM, J S wrote:
If the mean the 211-4 versions, not that rare, Jon.

    Probably should have stated the drawings for the cast commonwealth part of the tank:-)!  The tanks made are accurate for the most part except for that casting.

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Re: Mystery Tank Car

Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
 

Mark,
Ajax vertical wheel hand brake was introduced in 1926.
Gene Green


Re: Mystery Tank Car

Jake Schaible
 

If the mean the 211-4 versions, not that rare, Jon.  Fairly sure Temple has it.  So does the SDMRRM Lib.  In fact they sold me their extra copy of their entire set.  

Here she is....as revised to 1951.  

The large dome, AJAX and tank dia is close (inside dia 9' - I guess it could have had 3" of insulation?)  But inside 35'-7.5" length?   This puts the AT&SF / GAT ID in some doubt if his is truly just 31'. 

Hmmmm...

 

Jake Schaible

San Diego

But what do I know ... for me time stopped in 1927!


CGW 1937 boxcar instructions

Douglas Harding
 

Does anyone have a copy of the instructions for last year’s Chicagoland CGW boxcar mini-kit they could send me? I’ve finally pulled mine off the shelf (must be next weekend has me inspired) and I cannot locate any instructions.

Send to doug.harding at iowacentralrr.org

Thanks

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Mystery Tank Car

Tony Thompson
 

Tk L is a Santa Fe class.
Tony Thompson 


On Oct 12, 2018, at 9:25 AM, mark_landgraf via Groups.Io <mark_landgraf@...> wrote:




 Gentlemen

I have a Tank Car General Arrangement drawing with no railroad or manufacturer marking.

The drawing number is expressed as a fraction, 18-A over 1171
The date on the drawing is Oct 4 1929, although the drawing includes an Ajax power hand brake unit
It has a large diameter single dome
The tank is 9ft 6in in diameter, and is approximately 31 ft long
The car is 36ft 2 in long over the strikers
The Polling pocket is incorporated into the end of the body bolster.
It is classified as a TK L
The group of cars had the road numbers 108,000 to 108,099

Can anyone identify the manufacturer or who the car belonged to?

Thanks
Mark Landgraf
Albany NY





Re: Mystery Tank Car

Jon Miller
 

On 10/12/2018 9:25 AM, mark_landgraf via Groups.Io wrote:
It is classified as a TK L

    Drawings for the TK-L are somewhat rare which is why no accurate models have been made.  The few that have been made (brass, etc.) have the cast commonwealth part of the tank done incorrectly.  A dimension drawing of that cast part, of the tank, would be helpful in maybe producing a resin model.

    Google ATSF TK-L

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Re: Mystery Tank Car

Jake Schaible
 

So gross geometric vol of the tank is ~ 16,437 gals?  Of the top of my head, sounds big (fat) for the late 20's.  

Are you sure the road numbers are 108,00-108,099 and not 100,800 - 100,899?  If so, AT&SF had a TK-L 100 car series of 16,200 gal delivered 1930 from GAT.  ICC103 with a 5'9 dome.  (Source, Occhiello - of course, Larry might also have an error in his numbers, but his does fit the AT&SF number series.)


If not, and other clues?  Like the word "Berwick" anywhere? 

Without an image (that might show design similarities) I'm at a loss to help you further.  A long shot, but to develop a hit list, you might check lot list for 100 car orders in dates just after then.  (UMSL has the ACF lot list, for example). 


Re: Mystery Tank Car

John Barry
 

Mark,

The Class Tk-L and # series are consistent with the 100 ATSF tank cars.

John
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: mark_landgraf via Groups.Io <mark_landgraf@...>
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Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mystery Tank Car




 Gentlemen

I have a Tank Car General Arrangement drawing with no railroad or manufacturer marking.

The drawing number is expressed as a fraction, 18-A over 1171
The date on the drawing is Oct 4 1929, although the drawing includes an Ajax power hand brake unit
It has a large diameter single dome
The tank is 9ft 6in in diameter, and is approximately 31 ft long
The car is 36ft 2 in long over the strikers
The Polling pocket is incorporated into the end of the body bolster.
It is classified as a TK L
The group of cars had the road numbers 108,000 to 108,099

Can anyone identify the manufacturer or who the car belonged to?

Thanks
Mark Landgraf
Albany NY







Re: Mystery Tank Car

mark_landgraf
 




 Gentlemen

I have a Tank Car General Arrangement drawing with no railroad or manufacturer marking.

The drawing number is expressed as a fraction, 18-A over 1171
The date on the drawing is Oct 4 1929, although the drawing includes an Ajax power hand brake unit
It has a large diameter single dome
The tank is 9ft 6in in diameter, and is approximately 31 ft long
The car is 36ft 2 in long over the strikers
The Polling pocket is incorporated into the end of the body bolster.
It is classified as a TK L
The group of cars had the road numbers 108,000 to 108,099

Can anyone identify the manufacturer or who the car belonged to?

Thanks
Mark Landgraf
Albany NY




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