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Re: Throwback Tuesday: MDC 50 ft SS Automobile Boxcars

O Fenton Wells
 

According to RMJ article in the July 1996 issue by Richard Hendrickson, MP had cars in the 89070-89169 series with Youngstown doors.
Fenton

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 12:41 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
The MP model I built had the end doors. Regarding dates models I build are always subject to "modeler's license."

Bill Welch



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Re: Throwback Tuesday: MDC 50 ft SS Automobile Boxcars

Bill Welch
 

The MP model I built had the end doors. Regarding dates models I build are always subject to "modeler's license."

Bill Welch


Re: MDT 8000 and NRC 17000 Series Roof Color

Nelson Moyer
 

Given the number of other bits of misinformation in recent Sunshine instructions and PDSs for kits I’ve built, I’ll go with boxcar red. I’m sure Martin went with the best available information at the time, but these were early kits, and I suspect there wasn’t much reliable prototype information available at the time they were produced. I gave up on the 6000 series option because no roof is available, and I didn’t want to invest the time required to scratchbuild one. The series 8000 car is ready for priming, and the 17000 series car is getting brake detail today. As near as I can determine from photos, the 8000 series cars had the major brake components mounted in the space between the center two cross bearers, while the 17000 series had the brake cylinder mounted in the center space and the air reservoir and control valve mounted in the next space back from the center space toward the A end. This latter arrangement is consistent with the MM drawings of NRC 2217 as well as a photo of 17000. Otherwise, the cars were apparently identical. That’s something to watch for, as the instructions show the latter brake component arrangement for both series cars.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Nelson, I have not seen any photos or top side DVDs with metallic roofs for these cars.  Roger knows far more than I, so mine will be painted red as built.  I found my 3 kits this week.

 

Gary Laakso

 


On Feb 24, 2019, at 2:24 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Sunshine instructions and PDS state that the subject car’s roofs were painted aluminum color when built, and boxcar red when repainted after WWII. Roger Hinman’s MDT book states that what appeared to be aluminum paint was really photo airbrushing to better show roof detail in builder’s photos. Which is correct?

 

Nelson Moyer

 


FGEX reefer underframe

Eric Hansmann
 

Do you need guidance in building your RPM Chicagoland mini-kit? George Toman shares his techniques installing the underframe and truss rods on the latest Resin Car Works blog post. 

http://blog.resincarworks.com/fgex-mini-kit-underframe-assembly/



Eric Hansmann
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Re: Chrysler Trucks (was Twin Star Cars)

Tony Thompson
 

Are these the trucks:

http://americanscalemodels.com/HO/HO_Detail_Parts/Trucks?product_id=1855
They are certainly one version of the Chrysler design.

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Re: Modeling Those WLE SS cars w/7-ft doors

BillM
 

Thank you

 

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From: al_brown03
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 5:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Modeling Those WLE SS cars w/7-ft doors

 

Hi,

The underframe is from a Tichy USRA SS boxcar kit; the ends were available from Shapeways a few years ago. Sides and roof were scratch-made.

AL B.

 


Re: MDT 8000 and NRC 17000 Series Roof Color

gary laakso
 

Nelson, I have not seen any photos or top side DVDs with metallic roofs for these cars.  Roger knows far more than I, so mine will be painted red as built.  I found my 3 kits this week.

Gary Laakso


On Feb 24, 2019, at 2:24 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Sunshine instructions and PDS state that the subject car’s roofs were painted aluminum color when built, and boxcar red when repainted after WWII. Roger Hinman’s MDT book states that what appeared to be aluminum paint was really photo airbrushing to better show roof detail in builder’s photos. Which is correct?

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: Chrysler Trucks (was Twin Star Cars)

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

They are Gary.  Thank you.

Bill



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Date: 2/24/19 12:29 PM (GMT-10:00)
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Chrysler Trucks (was Twin Star Cars)

Bill:

Are these the trucks:

http://americanscalemodels.com/HO/HO_Detail_Parts/Trucks?product_id=1855  

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Chrysler Trucks (was Twin Star Cars)

I have to admit that I have not followed this thread very closely..  This morning, however, something rang a bell.  A Cardinal Rule that I adopted years ago in this hobby is that if you come across sometrhing you might remotely need in the future buy it and tuck it away, because when you decide you want it it, will be long gone.  Such is the case with a pair of brass Chrysler trucks that I bought on E-bay a few years ago. Subsequest to reading this thread this morning I got the trucks out.  THEY ARE EXQUISITE.  I don’t know who the importer was or what car they might have come under.  The trucks have code 88 wheel sets and the brake rigging is the most complete that I have seen on an HO truck.

Now, what to do with them.  I seem to recall that they were used under some PFE refers.  My modeling interest is the Southern Pacific between 1946 and 1956.  Only suggestions on how I might put them to use?

Bill Pardie







Re: Chrysler Trucks (was Twin Star Cars)

gary laakso
 

Bill:

Are these the trucks:

http://americanscalemodels.com/HO/HO_Detail_Parts/Trucks?product_id=1855

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Chrysler Trucks (was Twin Star Cars)

I have to admit that I have not followed this thread very closely.. This morning, however, something rang a bell. A Cardinal Rule that I adopted years ago in this hobby is that if you come across sometrhing you might remotely need in the future buy it and tuck it away, because when you decide you want it it, will be long gone. Such is the case with a pair of brass Chrysler trucks that I bought on E-bay a few years ago. Subsequest to reading this thread this morning I got the trucks out. THEY ARE EXQUISITE. I don’t know who the importer was or what car they might have come under. The trucks have code 88 wheel sets and the brake rigging is the most complete that I have seen on an HO truck.

Now, what to do with them. I seem to recall that they were used under some PFE refers. My modeling interest is the Southern Pacific between 1946 and 1956. Only suggestions on how I might put them to use?

Bill Pardie


MDT 8000 and NRC 17000 Series Roof Color

Nelson Moyer
 

Sunshine instructions and PDS state that the subject car’s roofs were painted aluminum color when built, and boxcar red when repainted after WWII. Roger Hinman’s MDT book states that what appeared to be aluminum paint was really photo airbrushing to better show roof detail in builder’s photos. Which is correct?

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: Throwback Tuesday: MDC 50 ft SS Automobile Boxcars

mopacfirst
 

According to the 1951 diagrams, there were still a few MP cars remaining that had wood doors.  But by that date, almost all of them had been converted to Youngstown steel doors.  The only ones still listed then were end door cars 89018 and 89024,

Ron Merrick


Re: Modeling Those WLE SS cars w/7-ft doors

al_brown03
 

Hi,

The underframe is from a Tichy USRA SS boxcar kit; the ends were available from Shapeways a few years ago. Sides and roof were scratch-made.

AL B.


Re: Modeling Those WLE SS cars w/7-ft doors

O Fenton Wells
 

Totally awesome Al. Impressive 
Fenton 


On Feb 24, 2019, at 12:38 PM, Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

Al 
That’s looking really good.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 24 Feb 2019, at 17:18, al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:

Attached is a photo of the finished car. The idea was to more-or-less-replicate the photo of W&LE 27439 in Corns, "Wheeling & Lake Erie Railway", vol 1, p 58:  only not quite so beat-up. Body paint is Scalecoat II BCR; reporting marks and dimensional data are mixed-and-matched from the three Tichy W&LE sets; the patch paint is MicroScale red decal film; and the weights come from a Tichy D&RGW boxcar set. (Reweigh location is Salt Lake on the Rio Grande.) Speedwitch chalk marks. The fading of the paint, and the layering of the stenciling and chalk marks which is noticeable in the prototype photo, were modelled by applying alternate layers of decals and weathering. Bragdon (mostly) and A.I.M. weathering powders.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

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Re: Throwback Tuesday: MDC 50 ft SS Automobile Boxcars

Bill Welch
 

The Missouri Pacific's versions had wood doors.

Bill Welch


Re: Throwback Tuesday: MDC 50 ft SS Automobile Boxcars

Ken Adams
 
Edited

Tony

I realized that a while ago when I was looking for older 50' SP box cars in SP Freight Cars Volume 4 only to find them in Volume 3.

Still looking for a prototype for the wood door MDC SS 50 foot car.  

ken


Re: Modeling Those WLE SS cars w/7-ft doors

BillM
 

What company made the base kit for this model? If I missed it some where sorry for the additional post.

Bill Michael

 

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From: al_brown03
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 12:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Modeling Those WLE SS cars w/7-ft doors

 

Attached is a photo of the finished car. The idea was to more-or-less-replicate the photo of W&LE 27439 in Corns, "Wheeling & Lake Erie Railway", vol 1, p 58:  only not quite so beat-up. Body paint is Scalecoat II BCR; reporting marks and dimensional data are mixed-and-matched from the three Tichy W&LE sets; the patch paint is MicroScale red decal film; and the weights come from a Tichy D&RGW boxcar set. (Reweigh location is Salt Lake on the Rio Grande.) Speedwitch chalk marks. The fading of the paint, and the layering of the stenciling and chalk marks which is noticeable in the prototype photo, were modelled by applying alternate layers of decals and weathering. Bragdon (mostly) and A.I.M. weathering powders.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

 


Re: Twin Star Cars

spsalso
 

Thanks for the replies on the matter of installing the piece.

Just thought I'd base what I'd do on the experience of others.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Chrysler Trucks (was Twin Star Cars)

Tim O'Connor
 

Here ya go, Bill.

On 2/24/2019 2:06 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
I have to admit that I have not followed this thread very closely.. This morning, however, something rang a bell. A Cardinal Rule that I adopted years ago in this hobby is that if you come across sometrhing you might remotely need in the future buy it and tuck it away, because when you decide you want it it, will be long gone. Such is the case with a pair of brass Chrysler trucks that I bought on E-bay a few years ago. Subsequest to reading this thread this morning I got the trucks out. THEY ARE EXQUISITE. I don’t know who the importer was or what car they might have come under. The trucks have code 88 wheel sets and the brake rigging is the most complete that I have seen on an HO truck.

Now, what to do with them. I seem to recall that they were used under some PFE refers. My modeling interest is the Southern Pacific between 1946 and 1956. Only suggestions on how I might put them to use?

Bill Pardie
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Re: Chrysler Trucks (was Twin Star Cars)

Tim O'Connor
 


from the Vancouver collection



On 2/24/2019 7:49 AM, Garth Groff wrote:
Andy and Friends,

The Western Pacific experimented with Chrysler trucks under their Compartmentizer-equipped PS-1 boxcars. The first group was 20801-20820, soon renumbered 19501-19520. They were delivered new with Compartizers in 1951. According to the only equipment diagram I could find for these cars, they had the ASF A-3 truck sideframes that the WP favored. However, they definitely came on Chrysler trucks. I have a Will Whittaker print showing brand-new 20803 in 1951 on Chrysler trucks. I also have 19510 on Chrysler trucks. The only equipment diagram I could find for these cars does not mention Chrysler trucks for this group: https://www.wplives.com/diagrams/freight/1968/bc19551.php .

In 1952 the WP pulled 22 more cars at random from their regular PS-1s and had Pullman rebuild them with Compartmentizers. They returned as 19521-19542, and all but one were on Chrysler trucks (19537 had Timken roller bearings in what appears to be standard ASF A-3 frames with the journal box lids removed; it was a test car and show-boat that was displayed at the state fair with the famous "Roller Freight" herald). At least one of these survived in MW service into the 1980s on Chrysler trucks, though without the snubbers. Since I am just savvy enough to be able to tell an arch-bar from a roller bearing truck, you tell me if that is an ASF A-3 frame in the attached photo. If it is an ASF A-3, then these trucks were available with other than Dalman sideframes.



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Re: freight cars being scrapped in 1947

charles slater
 

I agree with you John it was a Bx-Z changed to a Wx-Z in M of W service.
Charlie Slater

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] freight cars being scrapped in 1947
 
Tom,

I agree that this was likely not a reefer, but its also likely not a(n) (un)rebuilt furniture car.  

It has a faded A.T.S.F. MoW number that I read as 196825, it also has a partial faded number below the work series number that I read as 382.
The three vertically joined end panels, lack of brake step, vertical brake shaft, grab iron end ladder, and single panel on the side are all consistent with the as built configuration of the Bx-Z.  The dark (black?) lettering on a light (grey?) carbody are also indicative of non-revenue service.  The style of the ATSF with periods but no ampersand date the re-paint/re-stencil to 1938-1943.

I would say that it was likely that the car was retired from MoW service and scrapped as A.T.S.F. Wx-Z 196825.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Friday, February 22, 2019, 8:25:48 PM EST, tyesac@... via Groups.Io <tyesac@...> wrote:


Bill,

The two SFRD Rr-19's with flat plate steel ends were made with two steel sheets and joined with a single horizontal seam.  Also, those had AJAX hand brakes and the end reporting marks would be "SFRD" instead of  "AT&SF".   The twisted visible roof framing, the "Y" looking parts, imply this could be an older Fe- class car that hand been rebuilt.

Tom Casey
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Bill Vaughn

On Friday, February 22, 2019, 3:38:33 PM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



an Rr-19 perhaps?


On 2/22/2019 5:33 PM, David via Groups.Io wrote:
> Would anyone have a guess what this car was? The other cars are Pere
> Marquette USRA ds box derivatives, but this one is Santa Fe?
>



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Tim I don't think so the 1947 picture shows a ladder where your picture shows grab irons.  Also I believe both Rr-19 with flat ends lasted more that 11 years from rebuilding.

Bill Vaughn

On Friday, February 22, 2019, 3:38:33 PM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



an Rr-19 perhaps?


On 2/22/2019 5:33 PM, David via Groups.Io wrote:
> Would anyone have a guess what this car was? The other cars are Pere
> Marquette USRA ds box derivatives, but this one is Santa Fe?
>
> https://www.facebook.com/Radio.WW2/photos/a.1995435020702484/1995435100702476/?type=3&theater
>
>
> David Thompson



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