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Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)

Tim O'Connor
 


Has anyone ever attempted to compile a list of ARA/X29 box cars annotated with their respective wheel bases?
I have a number of kits but I don't know which ones had the short wheelbases, and which ones didn't. :-[

Tim O'Connor


On 3/21/2019 12:59 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Bill Welch wrote:

Regarding the B&O M-26, over 12,000 cars in six classes.

    The sub-classes of M-26 are important, as they did differ in several details, including the spacing of truck centers from the car ends.

Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Welch wrote:

Regarding the B&O M-26, over 12,000 cars in six classes.

    The sub-classes of M-26 are important, as they did differ in several details, including the spacing of truck centers from the car ends.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Nelson,

Looking at the price difference, and the fact that 50's era schemes dominate so I would have to reletter at best and likely strip and repaint then reletter, I am content to put in a pre-order for undecs.  My dealer (Ray @ Pro Custom Hobbies) indicated they accepted the orders despite the TBD status.

Dave


Wednesday, March 20, 2019, 5:17:35 PM, you wrote:


Unfortunately, notifying Intermountain about errors in presence, absence, and location of detail parts and paint schemes on several pre-order releases hasn’t altered their behavior, as they continue to ignore the information provided. I preordered six X29 cars in good faith, hoping they knew what they were doing. I think I’ll hold off on those decorated cars and see if they offer undecorated kits that can be kitbased into correct cars. Apparently we can’t expect Intermountain to compete with Exact Rail or Tangent with respect to prototype details.
 
Perhaps if enough people provided corrections and/or complained, they would listen, or is that just wishful thinking?
 
Nelson Moyer
 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 2:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
 
Folks,
 
Please be aware, that at least based on the artwork displayed by Intermountain, the brakes on these prospective car releases are incorrect.
 
The artwork (and description) indicates that these cars use the RC patch panel tooling, which, to the best of my knowledge, was only done for the mid-production (1928) body X29 by RC. Although not clear, the artwork appears to show plate ends, which is expected. The artwork also show a transverse early AB reservoir. These were only applied to the 1932 or later production X29s which are distinguished by the application of Dreadnaught ends. Subsequent plate end X29 conversions to AB brakes utilized the more well known AB reservoir, hung longitudinally under the carbody. Thus the offering by IM is incorrectly detailed with respect to the type and location of the brake reservoir (and some minor differences with brake levers as well).
 
 
Regards
Bruce
 
Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
 



--
David Bott

Sent from David Bott's desktop PC


Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Jim,

I believe you meant 1950-1955 by "first half 1950's era" and not 1900-1950.  

I model 1934 and have a friend that models 1926 and another 1905.  Each time frame would have a different representative.  I'm looking at a mix of single and double sheathed 36' and 40' cars, like the BH and BI classes with a healthy dose of the steel sided cars.  I went to my database of cars on Southern Railway trains on the Winston-Salem divsion.  Out of 7000 cars in my database, I see

282 N&W box cars  
       98   40' single and double door (BS, BT)
       55    '23 ARA based (BP/BPa)
       41    USRA SS box (BK)
       25   40' steel box (BSa)
       24    36' (BH, BI, BJ vent),
       19    40' SS 1 1/2 door (BL)
         5    X29
       15   unidentified        

So the BPa is representative of a good proportion, but you need BS/BT, and a mix of USRA SS (the Tichy car represents that) and some of those Accurail 36 footers to round things out.

Is there an HO scale model of the BS (double door) or BT (single door) class?

Dave


Thursday, March 21, 2019, 4:59:16 AM, you wrote:


  I see I made a rather large math error on the N&W fleet of X29s, should be 1000 not 5000. Whoops.
              However, was there a better more representative XM car for the N&W (first half 1950s era) than the X29?    
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Jim Dick  



--
David Bott

Sent from David Bott's desktop PC


Re: Always looking for tools

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks for the tip, Schuyler. These look like a 21st century version of the clothespin, but with better designed tips in a variety of sizes. I won’t have to use my collection of reversed clothespins any more. That’s a good thing, because the quality and availability of wood clothespins has deteriorated over the years.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:07 PM
To: realSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Always looking for tools

 

I apparently inherited my grandfather’s severe case of toolitis . . .

 

And I am always looking for them in places I happen to find myself.  Like Sunday, when my girlfriend wanted to go into a fabric/knitting/crochet shop.

 

I wound up buying some clamps.  Small enough to call clips, I suppose, but I’ll call them very small but powerful clamps.

 

Clover manufacturing Co., LTD

https://www.clover-mfg.com/product/9/278

 

And now that I have looked on line for them I find they come in a jumbo size

https://www.clover-mfg.com/product/9/280

 

and a mini version

https://www.clover-mfg.com/product/9/279

 

Inexpensive.  Ten clips for $7.00.

 

Schuyler

 


Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)

Barry Kenner
 

Hello Group,
       The numbers listed on the intermountian site for the B&O version ranging between numbers 272511 thru 272685 are M-26D’s. This range of numbers listed in “Ted Culotta’s” Essential Freight Cars #37 reveal “Duryea Underames” and KD brakes with a Ajax handbrake. Thanks, Barry 


On Mar 21, 2019, at 4:47 AM, np328 <jcdworkingonthenp@...> wrote:

         Sorry if the query seems somewhat pedantic to the group here,

After going through the files, and the Steam Era Freight Car site X29 pdf,  http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/modeling/proto%20kits/23arax29kits1.pdf , I am left with a small bit of uncertainty yet with fleet roster sizes on the clone X29s.

      OK, in the numbers listed on the hotlinks Bob you provide, no numbers like the link to the Intermountain RR-37201, as they do not match to the kit numbers on the pdf.
Could someone be kind enough to associate the IMR numbers to the pdf kit numbers? And yes, the date stamp on the bottom of the pdf reads 02/03/2002.  To those who compiled that originally, a belated thank you.  

     Next, OK, I understand that the PRR ran a jillion X29’s and it is a signature PRR car.
Maybe not a jillion, 25,000 in 1950, STMFC # 38627; 23,549 in 1953, STMFC # 42328   And that any steam era modeler should have a good number. That is pretty much gospel.

However, for the other railroads that IRM is making available, I found some numbers on the pdf, could others help fill out or correct the fleet numbers?

Of the one Bob listed:

 Baltimore & Ohio (OK – on the pdf, B&O has multiple entries – help?) (13642 - STMFC # 42330)  

Central RR of New Jersey - 21000-21799       (800 cars)

Chicago Great Western - 85000 – 87998      (even car numbers only so, 1499) (STMFC 132758)

Ferrocaril de Chihuahua al Pacifico (?)

Lehigh & New England – 8001 – 8500 (500 cars)

Maine Central – 5000 – 6003 (1003 cars)  

Nickel Plate Road - 2500 – 25999 (1000)

Norfolk & Western – 41000 – 41999 (a notable 5000 cars.)     Is this almost a signature N&W XM?

United States Army (no numbers listed from the pdf)

Corrections welcome.

Also, I must dig up RPM 24, which covered the X29s.

Thanks Ed and Pat for the RPCs.      Thanks Don Burns for the prompt.  (STMFC 161225)

……………………………………….

Also, current comments on the comments of the pdf listed above are welcome. Especially regarding accuracy of the model for other than PRR, NKP.

………………………………………..

I have a small roster of X29s, picking them up where and when I could in the past. None the less, it is off to the LHS to put in a reservation in the very near future.

For those still wondering about X29s, STMFC post #38602 starts a good string from the past. 

Late 1950s see STMFC post 27451.    

When I undertake these searches, it is simply amazing the information that can be researched from this STMFC site alone. Just incredible. 

(Search   X29   brought up 953 posts)

                                                                                                                                                                                      Jim Dick – St. Paul, MN


Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)

Bill Welch
 

The N&W cars are their Bp class and taller than an X29, more like an PRR X28. The DT&I also had 100 X29 types

Regarding the B&O M-26, over 12,000 cars in six classes.

Speedwitch has decals for several of these for people that prefer to "roll their own" models.

For anyone interested attached is my building plan for several of these.

Bill Welch


Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)

np328
 

  I see I made a rather large math error on the N&W fleet of X29s, should be 1000 not 5000. Whoops. 
              However, was there a better more representative XM car for the N&W (first half 1950s era) than the X29?     
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Jim Dick  


Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)

np328
 

         Sorry if the query seems somewhat pedantic to the group here,

After going through the files, and the Steam Era Freight Car site X29 pdf,  http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/modeling/proto%20kits/23arax29kits1.pdf , I am left with a small bit of uncertainty yet with fleet roster sizes on the clone X29s.

      OK, in the numbers listed on the hotlinks Bob you provide, no numbers like the link to the Intermountain RR-37201, as they do not match to the kit numbers on the pdf.
Could someone be kind enough to associate the IMR numbers to the pdf kit numbers? And yes, the date stamp on the bottom of the pdf reads 02/03/2002.  To those who compiled that originally, a belated thank you.  

     Next, OK, I understand that the PRR ran a jillion X29’s and it is a signature PRR car.
Maybe not a jillion, 25,000 in 1950, STMFC # 38627; 23,549 in 1953, STMFC # 42328   And that any steam era modeler should have a good number. That is pretty much gospel.

However, for the other railroads that IRM is making available, I found some numbers on the pdf, could others help fill out or correct the fleet numbers?

Of the one Bob listed:

 Baltimore & Ohio (OK – on the pdf, B&O has multiple entries – help?) (13642 - STMFC # 42330)  

Central RR of New Jersey - 21000-21799       (800 cars)

Chicago Great Western - 85000 – 87998      (even car numbers only so, 1499) (STMFC 132758)

Ferrocaril de Chihuahua al Pacifico (?)

Lehigh & New England – 8001 – 8500 (500 cars)

Maine Central – 5000 – 6003 (1003 cars)  

Nickel Plate Road - 2500 – 25999 (1000)

Norfolk & Western – 41000 – 41999 (a notable 5000 cars.)     Is this almost a signature N&W XM?

United States Army (no numbers listed from the pdf)

Corrections welcome.

Also, I must dig up RPM 24, which covered the X29s.

Thanks Ed and Pat for the RPCs.      Thanks Don Burns for the prompt.  (STMFC 161225)

……………………………………….

Also, current comments on the comments of the pdf listed above are welcome. Especially regarding accuracy of the model for other than PRR, NKP.

………………………………………..

I have a small roster of X29s, picking them up where and when I could in the past. None the less, it is off to the LHS to put in a reservation in the very near future.

For those still wondering about X29s, STMFC post #38602 starts a good string from the past. 

Late 1950s see STMFC post 27451.    

When I undertake these searches, it is simply amazing the information that can be researched from this STMFC site alone. Just incredible. 

(Search   X29   brought up 953 posts)

                                                                                                                                                                                      Jim Dick – St. Paul, MN


Always looking for tools

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I apparently inherited my grandfather’s severe case of toolitis . . .

 

And I am always looking for them in places I happen to find myself.  Like Sunday, when my girlfriend wanted to go into a fabric/knitting/crochet shop.

 

I wound up buying some clamps.  Small enough to call clips, I suppose, but I’ll call them very small but powerful clamps.

 

Clover manufacturing Co., LTD

https://www.clover-mfg.com/product/9/278

 

And now that I have looked on line for them I find they come in a jumbo size

https://www.clover-mfg.com/product/9/280

 

and a mini version

https://www.clover-mfg.com/product/9/279

 

Inexpensive.  Ten clips for $7.00.

 

Schuyler


Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Bruce,
 
There was something about the two rivet patterns in the March 2004 TKM article, including illustrations, but I didn’t recall just when the different patterns were used (and I reread that article only a few hours ago), so thanks for the clarification.
 
I have a few of the Red Caboose kits waiting for attention, but since sharpening my focus on time periods, it has become clear that I will need undec kits for as built 1924 and 1928 cars,  When I manage to get all this well and truly sorted, I’ll likely have a number of later eras kits that will be excess to requirement. 
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Bruce Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:23 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
 

Ralph,

 

The old undec kits came with both brake sprues, so hopefully that would continue.

 

To clarify, the '28 style body, as used as a descriptor refers to the rivet and side sheet overlap pattern. The 1932-34 cars have a 1928 "body" with dreadnought ends.

 

All production except early was built with 2D-F8 trucks. The early cars may have switched to 2D-F8 in the later production of these cars, or they may have been converted later, but it would appear not much later. I don't believe that the arch bars lasted beyond 1930.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, Al




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ralph W. Brown <rbrown51@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
 
Hi Bruce, et al.,
 
Thanks for the heads up.
 
I’m interested in the undec kits, which I hope would come with KD brakes or maybe parts for both KD and AB brakes.  The Intermountain website lists five undec kits with the notation “TBD” in the product status column.  The first two of those are described as “1928” bodies, RC-7000 with steel plate ends, and RC-7001 with Dreadnaught ends.  RC-7002 is described as having a “1924” body with steel plate ends; RC-7003 is described as having an AAR body with steel plate ends; and RC-7004 is described as having a “1924” body with patches and steel plate ends.  All five descriptions are silent with regard to brakes.
 
According to the article in the March 2004 TKM, all except “those built in 1932 and 1934 had two-piece flat ends.”  The Dreadnaught ends were used only on the “final two production runs.” 
 
The website doesn’t say anything about trucks either.  The TKM article states the the 1924 cars were built with 2D-F1 arch bar trucks, the majority of which were later replace with 2D-F8 trucks.  I infer from the article that the 1928 and subsequent years’ cars were built with 2D-F8 trucks, although some X29 boxcars, both freight and express service cars, were “seen” with 2D-F12 coil-elliptic trucks, but doesn’t say when.  Also, at least PRR 100688, “one of the last cars built,” was equipped at some point with GSC BX express trucks, but again the article doesn’t say when.
 
Question: Anyone know when the 1924 cars’ 2D-F1 trucks were replaced with 2D-F8 trucks?
 
The TKM article contains a wealth of other information about the details of these cars, as does another article in the April 2004 TKM dealing with X29 boxcars in express service.
 
Anyway, here’s hoping the various painted and lettered cars get enough reservations to move them on to production, and that the undec kits are produced as well.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
 
Folks,
 
Please be aware, that at least based on the artwork displayed by Intermountain, the brakes on these prospective car releases are incorrect.
 
The artwork (and description) indicates that these cars use the RC patch panel tooling, which, to the best of my knowledge, was only done for the mid-production (1928) body X29 by RC. Although not clear, the artwork appears to show plate ends, which is expected. The artwork also show a transverse early AB reservoir. These were only applied to the 1932 or later production X29s which are distinguished by the application of Dreadnaught ends. Subsequent plate end X29 conversions to AB brakes utilized the more well known AB reservoir, hung longitudinally under the carbody. Thus the offering by IM is incorrectly detailed with respect to the type and location of the brake reservoir (and some minor differences with brake levers as well).
 
 
Regards
Bruce
 
Bruce F. Smith           
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Tuesday, March 19, 2019, 12:58:52 PM CDT, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
 
 
Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
The Intermountain Railway Company (https://www.intermountain-railway.com/)
will produce two versions of Pennsylvania Railroad's iconic X29 boxcar, and up to nine variants for other railroads, if the company receives enough advance reservations. To date, reservation have been lagging.
Here are the two PRR versions, each with six road numbers:
To reserve your car, InterMountain says, "... please let your favorite hobby dealer know that you would like the item. Reservations are NO RISK to you, we do not require any deposit and you may cancel your reservation at any time.
X29 boxcars also can be reserved for the following railroads:
Baltimore & Ohio
Central RR of New Jersey
Chicago Great Western
Ferrocaril de Chihuahua al Pacifico
Lehigh & New England
Maine Central
Nickel Plate Road
Norfolk & Western
United States Army
I have no connection, financial or otherwise, to InterMountain.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
 


Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)

Bruce Smith
 

Ralph,


The old undec kits came with both brake sprues, so hopefully that would continue.


To clarify, the '28 style body, as used as a descriptor refers to the rivet and side sheet overlap pattern. The 1932-34 cars have a 1928 "body" with dreadnought ends.


All production except early was built with 2D-F8 trucks. The early cars may have switched to 2D-F8 in the later production of these cars, or they may have been converted later, but it would appear not much later. I don't believe that the arch bars lasted beyond 1930.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, Al




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ralph W. Brown <rbrown51@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
 
Hi Bruce, et al.,
 
Thanks for the heads up.
 
I’m interested in the undec kits, which I hope would come with KD brakes or maybe parts for both KD and AB brakes.  The Intermountain website lists five undec kits with the notation “TBD” in the product status column.  The first two of those are described as “1928” bodies, RC-7000 with steel plate ends, and RC-7001 with Dreadnaught ends.  RC-7002 is described as having a “1924” body with steel plate ends; RC-7003 is described as having an AAR body with steel plate ends; and RC-7004 is described as having a “1924” body with patches and steel plate ends.  All five descriptions are silent with regard to brakes.
 
According to the article in the March 2004 TKM, all except “those built in 1932 and 1934 had two-piece flat ends.”  The Dreadnaught ends were used only on the “final two production runs.” 
 
The website doesn’t say anything about trucks either.  The TKM article states the the 1924 cars were built with 2D-F1 arch bar trucks, the majority of which were later replace with 2D-F8 trucks.  I infer from the article that the 1928 and subsequent years’ cars were built with 2D-F8 trucks, although some X29 boxcars, both freight and express service cars, were “seen” with 2D-F12 coil-elliptic trucks, but doesn’t say when.  Also, at least PRR 100688, “one of the last cars built,” was equipped at some point with GSC BX express trucks, but again the article doesn’t say when.
 
Question: Anyone know when the 1924 cars’ 2D-F1 trucks were replaced with 2D-F8 trucks?
 
The TKM article contains a wealth of other information about the details of these cars, as does another article in the April 2004 TKM dealing with X29 boxcars in express service.
 
Anyway, here’s hoping the various painted and lettered cars get enough reservations to move them on to production, and that the undec kits are produced as well.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
 
Folks,
 
Please be aware, that at least based on the artwork displayed by Intermountain, the brakes on these prospective car releases are incorrect.
 
The artwork (and description) indicates that these cars use the RC patch panel tooling, which, to the best of my knowledge, was only done for the mid-production (1928) body X29 by RC. Although not clear, the artwork appears to show plate ends, which is expected. The artwork also show a transverse early AB reservoir. These were only applied to the 1932 or later production X29s which are distinguished by the application of Dreadnaught ends. Subsequent plate end X29 conversions to AB brakes utilized the more well known AB reservoir, hung longitudinally under the carbody. Thus the offering by IM is incorrectly detailed with respect to the type and location of the brake reservoir (and some minor differences with brake levers as well).
 
 
Regards
Bruce
 
Bruce F. Smith           
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Tuesday, March 19, 2019, 12:58:52 PM CDT, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
 
 
Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
The Intermountain Railway Company (https://www.intermountain-railway.com/)
will produce two versions of Pennsylvania Railroad's iconic X29 boxcar, and up to nine variants for other railroads, if the company receives enough advance reservations. To date, reservation have been lagging.
Here are the two PRR versions, each with six road numbers:
To reserve your car, InterMountain says, "... please let your favorite hobby dealer know that you would like the item. Reservations are NO RISK to you, we do not require any deposit and you may cancel your reservation at any time.
X29 boxcars also can be reserved for the following railroads:
Baltimore & Ohio
Central RR of New Jersey
Chicago Great Western
Ferrocaril de Chihuahua al Pacifico
Lehigh & New England
Maine Central
Nickel Plate Road
Norfolk & Western
United States Army
I have no connection, financial or otherwise, to InterMountain.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
 


Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Bruce, et al.,
 
Thanks for the heads up.
 
I’m interested in the undec kits, which I hope would come with KD brakes or maybe parts for both KD and AB brakes.  The Intermountain website lists five undec kits with the notation “TBD” in the product status column.  The first two of those are described as “1928” bodies, RC-7000 with steel plate ends, and RC-7001 with Dreadnaught ends.  RC-7002 is described as having a “1924” body with steel plate ends; RC-7003 is described as having an AAR body with steel plate ends; and RC-7004 is described as having a “1924” body with patches and steel plate ends.  All five descriptions are silent with regard to brakes.
 
According to the article in the March 2004 TKM, all except “those built in 1932 and 1934 had two-piece flat ends.”  The Dreadnaught ends were used only on the “final two production runs.” 
 
The website doesn’t say anything about trucks either.  The TKM article states the the 1924 cars were built with 2D-F1 arch bar trucks, the majority of which were later replace with 2D-F8 trucks.  I infer from the article that the 1928 and subsequent years’ cars were built with 2D-F8 trucks, although some X29 boxcars, both freight and express service cars, were “seen” with 2D-F12 coil-elliptic trucks, but doesn’t say when.  Also, at least PRR 100688, “one of the last cars built,” was equipped at some point with GSC BX express trucks, but again the article doesn’t say when.
 
Question: Anyone know when the 1924 cars’ 2D-F1 trucks were replaced with 2D-F8 trucks?
 
The TKM article contains a wealth of other information about the details of these cars, as does another article in the April 2004 TKM dealing with X29 boxcars in express service.
 
Anyway, here’s hoping the various painted and lettered cars get enough reservations to move them on to production, and that the undec kits are produced as well.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Bruce Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 3:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
 
Folks,
 
Please be aware, that at least based on the artwork displayed by Intermountain, the brakes on these prospective car releases are incorrect.
 
The artwork (and description) indicates that these cars use the RC patch panel tooling, which, to the best of my knowledge, was only done for the mid-production (1928) body X29 by RC. Although not clear, the artwork appears to show plate ends, which is expected. The artwork also show a transverse early AB reservoir. These were only applied to the 1932 or later production X29s which are distinguished by the application of Dreadnaught ends. Subsequent plate end X29 conversions to AB brakes utilized the more well known AB reservoir, hung longitudinally under the carbody. Thus the offering by IM is incorrectly detailed with respect to the type and location of the brake reservoir (and some minor differences with brake levers as well).
 
 
Regards
Bruce
 
Bruce F. Smith           
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Tuesday, March 19, 2019, 12:58:52 PM CDT, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
 
 
Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
The Intermountain Railway Company (https://www.intermountain-railway.com/)
will produce two versions of Pennsylvania Railroad's iconic X29 boxcar, and up to nine variants for other railroads, if the company receives enough advance reservations. To date, reservation have been lagging.
Here are the two PRR versions, each with six road numbers:
To reserve your car, InterMountain says, "... please let your favorite hobby dealer know that you would like the item. Reservations are NO RISK to you, we do not require any deposit and you may cancel your reservation at any time.
X29 boxcars also can be reserved for the following railroads:
Baltimore & Ohio
Central RR of New Jersey
Chicago Great Western
Ferrocaril de Chihuahua al Pacifico
Lehigh & New England
Maine Central
Nickel Plate Road
Norfolk & Western
United States Army
I have no connection, financial or otherwise, to InterMountain.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
 


Re: Renowned Rensselaer Model Railroad To Move to Publicly Accessible Location

Jeff Coleman
 

John is still there and also runs the NEB&W facebook page. 
https://www.facebook.com/pg/NEBandW/posts/?ref=notif

Jeff Coleman

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 6:39 PM Dave Pfeiffer via Groups.Io <dave.pfeiffer=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

No mention of John Nehrich?  Where is John these days?

 

Dave Pfeiffer

 


Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)

Bruce Smith
 

To clarify further, as Brian has pointed out, this is also what RC did. RC had two sets of underbodies, one for KD brakes which works for the early and 1928 bodies and the early AB which works for the 1932 bodies. However, RC also swapped them so that they could market "AB" cars to those who wanted a 1924 or 1928 body with later AB brakes... they just ain't the right AB brakes 😉


Of course, this issue is pretty easy to change, if you care too. Since I already have my 29 X29 kits, I'm good to go!


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 4:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
 

Unfortunately, notifying Intermountain about errors in presence, absence, and location of detail parts and paint schemes on several pre-order releases hasn’t altered their behavior, as they continue to ignore the information provided. I preordered six X29 cars in good faith, hoping they knew what they were doing. I think I’ll hold off on those decorated cars and see if they offer undecorated kits that can be kitbased into correct cars. Apparently we can’t expect Intermountain to compete with Exact Rail or Tangent with respect to prototype details.

 

Perhaps if enough people provided corrections and/or complained, they would listen, or is that just wishful thinking?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 2:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)

 

Folks,

 

Please be aware, that at least based on the artwork displayed by Intermountain, the brakes on these prospective car releases are incorrect. 

 

The artwork (and description) indicates that these cars use the RC patch panel tooling, which, to the best of my knowledge, was only done for the mid-production (1928) body X29 by RC. Although not clear, the artwork appears to show plate ends, which is expected. The artwork also show a transverse early AB reservoir. These were only applied to the 1932 or later production X29s which are distinguished by the application of Dreadnaught ends. Subsequent plate end X29 conversions to AB brakes utilized the more well known AB reservoir, hung longitudinally under the carbody. Thus the offering by IM is incorrectly detailed with respect to the type and location of the brake reservoir (and some minor differences with brake levers as well). 

 

 

Regards

Bruce

 

Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

 


Re: Renowned Rensselaer Model Railroad To Move to Publicly Accessible Location

Dave Pfeiffer
 

No mention of John Nehrich?  Where is John these days?

 

Dave Pfeiffer

 


Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)

Brian Carlson
 

Wishful thinking. They have used the same arrangement on all their AB equipped cars since it’s what they tooled. Well what Red Caboose tooled.  

Intermountain’s fidelity to the prototype varies widely depending on the model and paint scheme. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 20, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Unfortunately, notifying Intermountain about errors in presence, absence, and location of detail parts and paint schemes on several pre-order releases hasn’t altered their behavior, as they continue to ignore the information provided. I preordered six X29 cars in good faith, hoping they knew what they were doing. I think I’ll hold off on those decorated cars and see if they offer undecorated kits that can be kitbased into correct cars. Apparently we can’t expect Intermountain to compete with Exact Rail or Tangent with respect to prototype details.

 

Perhaps if enough people provided corrections and/or complained, they would listen, or is that just wishful thinking?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 2:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)

 

Folks,

 

Please be aware, that at least based on the artwork displayed by Intermountain, the brakes on these prospective car releases are incorrect. 

 

The artwork (and description) indicates that these cars use the RC patch panel tooling, which, to the best of my knowledge, was only done for the mid-production (1928) body X29 by RC. Although not clear, the artwork appears to show plate ends, which is expected. The artwork also show a transverse early AB reservoir. These were only applied to the 1932 or later production X29s which are distinguished by the application of Dreadnaught ends. Subsequent plate end X29 conversions to AB brakes utilized the more well known AB reservoir, hung longitudinally under the carbody. Thus the offering by IM is incorrectly detailed with respect to the type and location of the brake reservoir (and some minor differences with brake levers as well). 

 

 

Regards

Bruce

 

Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

 


Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)

Nelson Moyer
 

Unfortunately, notifying Intermountain about errors in presence, absence, and location of detail parts and paint schemes on several pre-order releases hasn’t altered their behavior, as they continue to ignore the information provided. I preordered six X29 cars in good faith, hoping they knew what they were doing. I think I’ll hold off on those decorated cars and see if they offer undecorated kits that can be kitbased into correct cars. Apparently we can’t expect Intermountain to compete with Exact Rail or Tangent with respect to prototype details.

 

Perhaps if enough people provided corrections and/or complained, they would listen, or is that just wishful thinking?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 2:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)

 

Folks,

 

Please be aware, that at least based on the artwork displayed by Intermountain, the brakes on these prospective car releases are incorrect. 

 

The artwork (and description) indicates that these cars use the RC patch panel tooling, which, to the best of my knowledge, was only done for the mid-production (1928) body X29 by RC. Although not clear, the artwork appears to show plate ends, which is expected. The artwork also show a transverse early AB reservoir. These were only applied to the 1932 or later production X29s which are distinguished by the application of Dreadnaught ends. Subsequent plate end X29 conversions to AB brakes utilized the more well known AB reservoir, hung longitudinally under the carbody. Thus the offering by IM is incorrectly detailed with respect to the type and location of the brake reservoir (and some minor differences with brake levers as well). 

 

 

Regards

Bruce

 

Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

 


Re: Weekend paint and decal project

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

Dave,

Good start -- and obviously you can print another set to get the E.

I have a couple of questions about Ghost White decals

-- What printers can use them? In particular, only laser printers, which tend to be more expensive and larger footprint
on a desk?
-- Can the Ghost White toner be inserted when needed and replaced with black for normal use?

Thanks

Alex Schneider

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of A&Y Dave in MD
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 8:45 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Weekend paint and decal project

Friday night, I had some leftover Tru Color paint in my airbrush cup after painting my pulp racks, so I pulled out an
Ertl low side gon project car, removed trucks and deck, then painted it black. I had a steam era image from 1929 showing
a Southern gondola during construction work at Duke University. So I put together some graphics in Adobe Illustrator to
match on Sunday and printed the decal sheet. Tonight I applied the decals. I was in too much of a hurry and screwed up
the E, but I managed to finish the whole car on all sides. I added Tahoe trucks and I need to replace some grabs and
stirrup steps, but I think it came out decent. Next one will have corner gussets, vertical brake wheel, scale couplers,
and proper K brakes. But at least now I have one more example for my presentation on Ghost White decals at the
Greensburg RPM meet. See you at my talk 4pm Saturday. The car will be on display.


Dave Bott


Re: Renowned Rensselaer Model Railroad To Move to Publicly Accessible Location

Joseph
 

Definitely good news.  Too bad my brother is moving to Delaware from New Hampshire.  Won’t need to go through Troy on my way from MN
Joe Binish
New Hope Mn


On Mar 20, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Still a long and difficult road ahead (as anyone who has attempted to move a layout or salvage sections can attest), but the club has a future.  This is definitely a win.



Ben Hom

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