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Re: Cornel University collection

 

That would be a nice detail to add at a crossing.  Also in the photo is the new-ish Alaskan way viaduct, which is now mostly been converted to gravel.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: What's the sideways N after the end of the road number on this M&StL boxcar?

Douglas Harding
 

Colin, MSTL boxcar 5038 was built in 1952, part of 4000-5398, a 700 order built by General American. These were better known as the green boxcars., the only green painted cars owned by the MSTL. Clark Propst wrote an article on modeling these cars in the Feb 2008 issue of RMC. The car is an AAR 1944 design with 10’ 0” inside height. Clark used parts from three different Intermountain boxcar kits.

 

Attached is a photo of the a car in original paint.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Colin 't Hart
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 5:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] What's the sideways N after the end of the road number on this M&StL boxcar?

 

Hi,

Researching M&StL boxcars, I came across this photo:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-m/mstl5038f10.jpg

There is what looks like a sideways N after the road number. Anyone seen anything like it before? What does it mean?

Apologies if this car is too modern here.

Thanks,

Colin


Re: New Walthers USRA based cars

Brian Carlson
 

They have done that before. MDC 50 ft SS car comes to mind.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 1, 2019, at 8:00 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Tony

Isn't someone doing a high quality plastic "SP lines" B-50-15? It may -seem- stupid but if Walthers
can skim sales from a better (and pricier) product, they'll count it as a success.

Tim O'


On 5/1/2019 7:48 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
      The trouble with pretending they are USRA cars, when they aren't at all, is shown by the SP car numbers listed for the single-sheathed cars. The numbers are in fact SP's USRA box car numbers -- but the body is far closer to their ARA-style car of some years later, Class B-50-15. So they are d---ned if they do and d---ned if they don't. Car numbers to fit the body style would not fit their (bogus) USRA description.
        Do these clowns talk to no one? read no publications?

Tony Thompson 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: New Walthers USRA based cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

Isn't someone doing a high quality plastic "SP lines" B-50-15? It may -seem- stupid but if Walthers
can skim sales from a better (and pricier) product, they'll count it as a success.

Tim O'


On 5/1/2019 7:48 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
      The trouble with pretending they are USRA cars, when they aren't at all, is shown by the SP car numbers listed for the single-sheathed cars. The numbers are in fact SP's USRA box car numbers -- but the body is far closer to their ARA-style car of some years later, Class B-50-15. So they are d---ned if they do and d---ned if they don't. Car numbers to fit the body style would not fit their (bogus) USRA description.
        Do these clowns talk to no one? read no publications?

Tony Thompson 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: New Walthers USRA based cars

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Exactly...............and they'll sell zillions of them to less learned fans of the SP. Just think..........Athearn B&O PA's!

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Wednesday, May 1, 2019, 6:48:56 PM CDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


      The trouble with pretending they are USRA cars, when they aren't at all, is shown by the SP car numbers listed for the single-sheathed cars. The numbers are in fact SP's USRA box car numbers -- but the body is far closer to their ARA-style car of some years later, Class B-50-15. So they are d---ned if they do and d---ned if they don't. Car numbers to fit the body style would not fit their (bogus) USRA description.
        Do these clowns talk to no one? read no publications?

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: New Walthers USRA based cars

Tony Thompson
 

      The trouble with pretending they are USRA cars, when they aren't at all, is shown by the SP car numbers listed for the single-sheathed cars. The numbers are in fact SP's USRA box car numbers -- but the body is far closer to their ARA-style car of some years later, Class B-50-15. So they are d---ned if they do and d---ned if they don't. Car numbers to fit the body style would not fit their (bogus) USRA description.
        Do these clowns talk to no one? read no publications?

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: New Walthers USRA based cars

 

Yes, sorry. - Al

 

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From: Benjamin Hom
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 4:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Walthers USRA based cars

 

Al Westerfield wrote:
"The Howe truss cars are wrong for at least 5 of the 6.  They are USRA lettering, (B&O, MEC, MILW, NYC, PRR, SP) but major roads didn’t buy the Howe." 

 

You meant Pratt truss.

 


Ben Hom

 


Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 12:25 PM, James SANDIFER wrote:
Interesting is the model car height data. Several of the models have one of the heights as 5-0, 5-2, 5-5 and 5-8. The only dimension that fits those numbers is the height from rail to extreme width. Was this a common practice in dimensional data or did Proto mess up? Dimensional Data has always been awkward for me to understand, and It seems that railroads did not measure the cars the same way.
The total height of cars has never been particularly important to North American railroads, given our large clearance diagram. The mainlines were laid out so that there was clearance for a man standing on top of the car, and low obstructions just ate into that extra 6', marked by telltales to warn the men to get down.

The clearance point that was problematic was at the eaves, where tall cars were likely to interfere with arched openings and canopy braces. When the ARA standardized dimensional data in 1926, all they concerned themselves with was the interior dimensions (which were important to the shipper) and the width of the eves, designated as EW, and the height of that point above the rail, designated as EH. As I understand it, this was to be measured at the highest point along the eaves, which would be the edge of the latitudinal walk.

This was revised in the early thirties to add the extreme width information. The eave dimensions were moved to one line, as EW  00-00  H  00-00, and the new extreme width was added as a line above, EXW  00-00  H  00-00, the H being the height of the extreme width above the rail. If it is close to the eave height it is typically the door hangers; if around 5' it is the door handle or seal staple.

Dennis Storzek


Re: New Walthers USRA based cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Al Westerfield wrote:
"The Howe truss cars are wrong for at least 5 of the 6.  They are USRA lettering, (B&O, MEC, MILW, NYC, PRR, SP) but major roads didn’t buy the Howe." 

You meant Pratt truss.


Ben Hom



Re: New Walthers USRA based cars

 

The Walthers monthly mailer shows all the roadnames.  The DS cars appear right, (ATSF, GN. CB&Q, TH&B, WAB) except fornon-existent  UP.  The Howe truss cars are wrong for at least 5 of the 6.  They are USRA lettering, (B&O, MEC, MILW, NYC, PRR, SP) but major roads didn’t buy the Howe.

 

I emailed Walthers about the cars.  It appears they already are aware of the USRA SS problem, as the photo is no longer on their web site. – Al Westerfield

 

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From: Dennis Storzek
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 3:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Walthers USRA based cars

 

Has anyone see a list of roadnames for these new cars?

Dennis Storzek

 


Re: New Walthers USRA based cars

 

On May 1, 2019, at 5:43 PM, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:

Has anyone see a list of roadnames for these new cars?

Dennis Storzek


Re: New Walthers USRA based cars

Dennis Storzek
 

Has anyone see a list of roadnames for these new cars?

Dennis Storzek


Re: What's the sideways N after the end of the road number on this M&StL boxcar?

Lloyd Keyser
 

That is being used as a Z which means the car has been inspected and is marked for scraping. Lloyd Keyser


On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 4:59 PM Colin 't Hart <colinthart@...> wrote:

Hi,

Researching M&StL boxcars, I came across this photo:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-m/mstl5038f10.jpg

There is what looks like a sideways N after the road number. Anyone seen anything like it before? What does it mean?

Apologies if this car is too modern here.

Thanks,

Colin


What's the sideways N after the end of the road number on this M&StL boxcar?

 

Hi,

Researching M&StL boxcars, I came across this photo:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-m/mstl5038f10.jpg

There is what looks like a sideways N after the road number. Anyone seen anything like it before? What does it mean?

Apologies if this car is too modern here.

Thanks,

Colin


Re: New Walthers USRA based cars

 

Just now seeing the paint schemes. The earlier links only showed the undecs.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 3:35 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Walthers USRA based cars

 

Brian Ehni wrote:

"Except these are all one-time-only (according to the pages)."

 

Have some land in Florida to sell you if you believe that...maybe for those car numbers, but you don't invest money in new injection-molded tooling to sell models only once.

 

 

Ben Hom


Re: Cornel University collection

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bryan and List Members,
 
When I lived in San Francisco, I saw parts of Harrison St that still had the remains of street trackage and had depressions in the pavement that looked just like that - I figured it must have been from cars that left the rails and got rolled along the pavement.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: boro2ang
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Cornel University collection

There's been a couple of cars on the ground in this shot.

https://digital.library.cornell.edu/catalog/ss:20863490

Bryan Borovec


Re: New Walthers USRA based cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Brian Ehni wrote:
"Except these are all one-time-only (according to the pages)."

Have some land in Florida to sell you if you believe that...maybe for those car numbers, but you don't invest money in new injection-molded tooling to sell models only once.


Ben Hom


Re: New Walthers USRA based cars

 

Except these are all one-time-only (according to the pages).

 

Thanks!

-- 

Brian Ehni

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io" <rwitt_2000@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 12:03 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Walthers USRA based cars

 

Or maybe they are an excuse to replace some of the old Train-Miniature tooling Walthers owns.

Bob Witt


Re: New Walthers USRA based cars

 

Pretty expensive for undec cars with molded on ladders.

 

Thanks!

-- 

Brian Ehni

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 7:24 PM
To: "RealSTMFC@groups.io" <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] New Walthers USRA based cars

 

Folks,

 

The new Walthers flyer includes four new steam era freight cars:

 

40' double sheathed USRA boxcar

https://www.walthers.com/40-usra-wood-boxcar-ready-to-run-undecorated

 

40' USRA single sheathed boxcar

https://www.walthers.com/40-usra-composite-boxcar-ready-to-run-undecorated

- dang, look at those boards! SMH

 

40' steel USRA rebuilt wood boxcar

https://www.walthers.com/40-steel-rebuilt-usra-wood-boxcar-ready-to-run-undecorated

 

40' Early Wood Reefer

https://www.walthers.com/40-early-wood-reefer-ready-to-run-undecorated

This looks like a USRA reefer.

 

These cars are in the WalthersMainline series and have molded on grab irons. Interestingly the "single sheathed boxcar" appears to not have the classic USRA underframe that the other 3 cars show. These may make some interesting detailing and kit bashing fodder.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 


Re: WP ribside car

O Fenton Wells
 

The car looks awfully good and I’m sure The Amana company will be glad to load it wit their products and send it to their regional warehouse 
Fenton 


On May 1, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

I see it is assigned to agent at Amana IA, which would be Amana Refrigeration. Maker of appliances: refrigerators & air conditioners, and in the 60’s microwave ovens.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 12:11 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] WP ribside car

 

Thanks to those who replied to my query for a friend he was able to do a 'creditable' model of one of the Milwaukee ribside cars sold to the WP. Attached
CW Propst

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