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Re: Pennsy H30: date for Grey scheme w/Shadow Keystone

Tim O'Connor
 


June 1954, if not earlier. Don't know about the date of the first gray SDK repaints.
I don't think there were very many. The simplified PRR scheme began in 1962 I think.


Bill, I think the shadow Keystone scheme was started in 1954
Todd Horton


Re: Pennsy H30: date for Grey scheme w/Shadow Keystone

Tim O'Connor
 


I've never seen the Bowser H30A version, but at the Enfield meet last month a dealer
sold me a brand new PRR H30 for $12... I could not resist. It is a very fine model, the
best by far I've ever seen from Bowser.

Tim O'Connor



I am thinking about getting one of the second versions Bowser has done with the Raised Running Board­as opposed to the more-or-less surface mounted RB. My date is October 1955. When was the Grey Shadow Keystone applied please.

Any dealers here with any of the following stock numbers: 41487; 41488; or 41489

I have their initial release in both N&W and PRR BCR schemes. I think they are very nice models in case folks here have not noticed them.

Bill Welch


Resin Car Works kit update

Eric Hansmann
 

We've turned the corner to the second half of the year, so it's time for a Resin Car Works kit update. The latest blog post has the details. 

http://blog.resincarworks.com/july-rcw-kit-updates/


FYI, Resin Car Works is unable to attend the upcoming St. Louis RPM meet. I'll be there to take in the event but will not have kits to sell. See you in St. Louis!


Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: Pennsy H30: date for Grey scheme w/Shadow Keystone

Bill Welch
 

Thank you Steve for clarifying, and I agree the Bowser model is very well done.

Bill Welch


Re: Pennsy H30: date for Grey scheme w/Shadow Keystone

Bill Welch
 

Thank you Ben.

Bill Welch


Re: Santa Fe caboose handrails

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Thank you Alan and James that’s very useful as I model 1950-3.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 2 Jul 2018, at 04:06, James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

Original was mineral brown.

Black came in on some when repainted around 1943, but not universal.

Painting rules in 1948 show black for “Handrails and column,” ladders, smokestack, roof and running boards when they got around to repainting.

Rules for painting 1952 has black boards, platforms, ladders and railings, truck sides. Roof and running boards now Mineral brown. 

Earliest white grab photo I have dates from 1953. Seemed common by mid 50s.

Some received high railings, some kept lower railings around 1954-5.

 

The Walther’s wooden cars are older cars. By 1950, I expect most would have been used on branch line or MOW trains. A photo dated mid-50s in Priest shows a clean one with archbar trucks and probably mineral brown grabs. The 1412 dated 1950 had mineral brown painted in 1949, also riding on archbar trucks.  Another dated 1957 had white grabs.

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Allan Smith
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2018 7:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Santa Fe caboose handrails

 

Prior to 1953 the handrails on ATSF Waycars were black. Beginning in 1953 They were painted White for Safety reasons.

 

Al Smith

Sonora CA

 

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 8:54 AM, paul.doggett2472 via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

 

Hi guys

 

I have just picked up a Walthers wooden ATSF Caboose fro what year were the handrails/grabs painted white.

 

Thanks Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

 

 

 


Re: Pennsy H30: date for Grey scheme w/Shadow Keystone

pennsylvania1954
 

Hi Bill--The Bowser cars are all H30, no A. The last series was built with raised running board. Here from an article in The Keystone Modeler #8, Mar 2004: "Running Boards
There is no doubt that the H30 cars had integral running boards welded to the roof. A May 17, 1944 tracing
shows the H30 running boards were changed to provide for the application of AAR approved (separate type)
running boards. Apparently there was some problem (probably safety) that required a change in design. Therefore,
the last lot of 300 H30’s built in 1946 (255276-255575) would have had separate running boards. The H30 list of
tracings shows five arrangements for AAR metal running boards – Apex, Blaw-Knox, Irving, Morton and U.S.
Gypsum. Four tracings were issued on November 20, 1944. The Morton was issued on May 17, 1946. There is no
indication of which type was used on which cars."

The TKM article was expanded upon in The Keystone, Vol. 48, No. 1, Spring 2015. It highlights the differences between the H30 and H30A classes.

The drawing for class H30 in grey Shadow Keystone was initially issued 6/9/54.

Bowser did an extraordinary job with their H30 models.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL







Re: Santa Fe caboose handrails

Steve SANDIFER
 

Original was mineral brown.

Black came in on some when repainted around 1943, but not universal.

Painting rules in 1948 show black for “Handrails and column,” ladders, smokestack, roof and running boards when they got around to repainting.

Rules for painting 1952 has black boards, platforms, ladders and railings, truck sides. Roof and running boards now Mineral brown. 

Earliest white grab photo I have dates from 1953. Seemed common by mid 50s.

Some received high railings, some kept lower railings around 1954-5.

 

The Walther’s wooden cars are older cars. By 1950, I expect most would have been used on branch line or MOW trains. A photo dated mid-50s in Priest shows a clean one with archbar trucks and probably mineral brown grabs. The 1412 dated 1950 had mineral brown painted in 1949, also riding on archbar trucks.  Another dated 1957 had white grabs.

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Allan Smith
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2018 7:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Santa Fe caboose handrails

 

Prior to 1953 the handrails on ATSF Waycars were black. Beginning in 1953 They were painted White for Safety reasons.

 

Al Smith

Sonora CA

 

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 8:54 AM, paul.doggett2472 via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

 

Hi guys

 

I have just picked up a Walthers wooden ATSF Caboose fro what year were the handrails/grabs painted white.

 

Thanks Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

 

 

 


Re: Pennsy H30: date for Grey scheme w/Shadow Keystone

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Welch asked:
"Also is there a table somewhere showing breakdown of trucks used with these cars, H30 and H30A?"

The following are two PRR truck listings.  Be advised they are listed by truck class and not car class - you'll have to parse the entire list for a given car class, and the list doesn't indicate how many cars had a particular truck, just that at least one car in the class was equipped with that truck.

C-422800 Revision E, 2/6/1950 


Re: Pennsy H30: date for Grey scheme w/Shadow Keystone

Bill Welch
 

Except Bruce in looking at the PDF on the Bowser site none of the cars are stenciled as H30A but rather H30. So the question would now be did any of the H30 types have the raised Running Board. At the top of the page Bowser does call the models H30.

H30A would be an interesting variation given it has welded construction.

Also is there a table somewhere showing breakdown of trucks used with these cars, H30 and H30A?

Bill Welch


Re: Pennsy H30: date for Grey scheme w/Shadow Keystone

Todd Horton
 

Bill, I think the shadow Keystone scheme was started in 1954

Todd Horton


On Sunday, July 1, 2018, 4:46:27 PM EDT, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


I am thinking about getting one of the second versions Bowser has done with the Raised Running Board—as opposed to the more-or-less surface mounted RB. My date is October 1955. When was the Grey Shadow Keystone applied please.

Any dealers here with any of the following stock numbers: 41487; 41488; or 41489

I have their initial release in both N&W and PRR BCR schemes. I think they are very nice models in case folks here have not noticed them.

Bill Welch


Re: Santa Fe caboose handrails

Allan Smith
 

Prior to 1953 the handrails on ATSF Waycars were black. Beginning in 1953 They were painted White for Safety reasons.

Al Smith
Sonora CA


On Sunday, July 1, 2018 8:54 AM, paul.doggett2472 via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Hi guys

I have just picked up a Walthers wooden ATSF Caboose fro what year were the handrails/grabs painted white.

Thanks Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿





Re: Pennsy H30: date for Grey scheme w/Shadow Keystone

Bill Welch
 

Yes I suppose I do.

Bill Welch


PRRPro X23 project

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,


The next project on the PRR Projects list (PRRPro) is the X23 family of cars (this project includes the X23, MOW variants, the X24, R7 and K7/K7A stock cars). Please feel free to join us for this project. 


PRRPro has moved to groups.io so look for us at https://groups.io/g/PRRPro


PRRPro projects can be done in any scale and anyone is welcome to post their ideas, approaches, and questions.


Regards,

Bruce 

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Re: Pennsy H30: date for Grey scheme w/Shadow Keystone

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,


You, of course, meant an H30A ;)


Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2018 3:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy H30: date for Grey scheme w/Shadow Keystone
 
I am thinking about getting one of the second versions Bowser has done with the Raised Running Board—as opposed to the more-or-less surface mounted RB. My date is October 1955. When was the Grey Shadow Keystone applied please.

Any dealers here with any of the following stock numbers: 41487; 41488; or 41489

I have their initial release in both N&W and PRR BCR schemes. I think they are very nice models in case folks here have not noticed them.

Bill Welch


Pennsy H30: date for Grey scheme w/Shadow Keystone

Bill Welch
 

I am thinking about getting one of the second versions Bowser has done with the Raised Running Board—as opposed to the more-or-less surface mounted RB. My date is October 1955. When was the Grey Shadow Keystone applied please.

Any dealers here with any of the following stock numbers: 41487; 41488; or 41489

I have their initial release in both N&W and PRR BCR schemes. I think they are very nice models in case folks here have not noticed them.

Bill Welch


San Fernando Valley RR slide club, a California treat

Andy Carlson
 

Hello everyone-

Yesterday I attended one of the title name's meets, meeting for the 2nd time in our new venue, an elegant Pasadena, CA. library meeting room. About 24 folks attended. The meet works with some attendees bringing RR slides to view. One of the 140 slide trays viewed was from one of the Colorado RR Mafia--Mr Maxwell. Multiple dozens of standard gauge Denver & Rio Grande Western RR articulated steam powered freight trains in the rocky mountains. Many of the slides were Kodachromes from 1941, and showed which seems to me to be the most common freight cars, single sheathed, in color was way too cool!

More steam color slides were a whole tray of Southern Pacific Narrow Gauge. I brought various mixes of RR images, including early 1950's original red edged gray mount Kodachromes of the D&RGW narrow gauge operations back before the tourist era. A Union Pacific tray of steam in Wyoming was a crowd favorite, which had many slides of the UP #9000 pulling an excursion train.

Kodachrome slide's colors are remarkable long lasting,  75 year old slides often look as well as the month they were made. Kodachromes do need good light for best results, which is why I call beautiful days "Kodachrome weather".

One nice thing about the meet is many of the slides are offered to be duped for purchase by many of us who would like a high quality copy of some cool stuff. I had a 140 slide tray of Los Angeles Railway narrow gauge trolleys which several folks opted for copies. We have an in-house copying expert who makes great quality slides with Fujichrome transparancies, and are quite affordable at $1.25 each. New people are encourged to attend, and to bring their own slides if they wish. It is a pretty low key gathering.

Anyone in Southern California on July 14th is welcomed to come to that next meet. There are no fees and we are just a bunch of RR folks gathering to share RR images. Sept 22 will be the following meet. We gather around 6-7 times per year. Ask me for details, and I can forward you the information. <midcentury@...>

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: HO Intermountain #41099 12 panel riveted 40' box car kits

Andy Carlson
 

Hi Dave-

OK:

5 IMRC #41099 12 panel undec box car kits  ......................$60
3 Viking roofs @ $2.50    .......................................................$7.50
Shipping   Flat Rate Priority ................................................$13.85
Total if paid by Check, or no-fee F-t-F PP          $81.35

If paying with reg. paypal, send $84.25 to my account <midcentury@...>

Please be sure that your address is included.

Thanks,
-Andy



From: Dave Bayless <davebayl@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2018 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HO Intermountain #41099 12 panel riveted 40' box car kits

Hi Andy:
I would like 5 of these IM 12-panel cars.  Also, if you have 3 of the Viking roofs, I would like these also. Let me know how much and I will send you a payment through PayPal.  Thanks, Dave Bayless
Oh, BTW I did receive the Red Caboose roofs you sent, Thanks Much.
 
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Carlson
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 9:42 PM
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] HO Intermountain #41099 12 panel riveted 40' box car kits
 
Hello-
 
I have several NEW Intermountain undecorated 12 panel box car kits offered for a special price of $12/each.
 
Shipping of $3.50, and up, for 1st class air mail to the US.
I accept checks and money orders With a small fee I also accept PayPal.
 
Contact me off-list at midcentury (at) sbcglobal (dot) net.  <midcentury@...> form details.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



Re: Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hello Jared,

    It appears they no longer teach respect, responsibility or discipline either.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: HO Intermountain #41099 12 panel riveted 40' box car kits

Dave Bayless
 

Hi Andy:

I would like 5 of these IM 12-panel cars.  Also, if you have 3 of the Viking roofs, I would like these also. Let me know how much and I will send you a payment through PayPal.  Thanks, Dave Bayless

Oh, BTW I did receive the Red Caboose roofs you sent, Thanks Much.

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Carlson
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 9:42 PM
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] HO Intermountain #41099 12 panel riveted 40' box car kits

 

Hello-

 

I have several NEW Intermountain undecorated 12 panel box car kits offered for a special price of $12/each.

 

Shipping of $3.50, and up, for 1st class air mail to the US.

I accept checks and money orders With a small fee I also accept PayPal.

 

Contact me off-list at midcentury (at) sbcglobal (dot) net.  <midcentury@...> form details.

Thanks,

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

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