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Re: Planned new releases at St Louis RPM

Bill Welch
 

I think it is great that you are doing a northeastern project Pierre other than PRR/B&O/NYC. This is a real void in freight car modeling. I wish I knew more about the freight car fleets of lines like the DL&W/D&H/Reading/LV etc.

Bill Welch


Re: Reboxx

wm501jra
 

Sorry folks, that was the Des Moines Hobby shop website! Still getting the hang of groups IO format.
Jeff Adams


Re: Reboxx

wm501jra
 

FYI - I did not see them listed on their website.
Jeff Adams 


Etched NYC Gon Ladders

wm501jra
 

A while back someone had planned on making these, anyone recall who that was?
Thanks,
Jeff Adams


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

George Eichelberger
 

The Southern 117500-117999 series cars were not “converted”, they were built and numbered as gondolas and listed as such in the RERs. Why, after owning many typical 40 ft solid and DDB (double drop bottom) and USRA types, the Southern needed such a low side “gon” is unclear. I do not know if they are still in service but many of the 1920s era flat cars lived on in welded rail trains and MoW service for Norfolk Southern

I have attached what I think is the finest “portrait” of an empty flat car I have ever seen. Southern 117733 is from the SRHA collection, taken by David Driscoll at Ruffin, NC 9-14-43.

The WrightTrack model of the Southern cars is as accurate a model as can be produced. It is a good example of a historical group making drawings available to model companies that result in high quality models. Both Gary Wright and Jim King have given us resin kits and Exact Rail the spectacular Big John and waffle box cars from SRHA drawings. Every accurate Southern diesel produced in the last fifteen or so years used SRHA stencil drawings. My point is that if manufacturers ask, and historical groups provide drawings, we could see more truly “prototype” models produced. (I won’t “preach” about it here, but too many drawings, historical files and photos are locked away in archives and libraries that do not have the knowledge or interest in doing anything with them but control and ownership. If anyone does not know the story of how the David Salter collection was “hijacked” by one such organization, send me an email and I’ll explain.)

The specs and drawings for virtually every Southern purchased freight and passenger car are in the SRHA’s collection in the new TVRM/SRHA archives building in Chattanooga (the archives section of www.srha.net includes a soon to be updated photo tour). The Central of Georgia drawing clerks were unfortunately quite diligent about removing “obsolete” drawings from the files in Savannah but the SRHA CG files are extensive.

Ike


Planned new releases at St Louis RPM

Pierre Oliver
 

Yarmouth Model Works is planning on releasing 2 new kits at the St Louis RPM in a few weeks.
The release of variations of ACF built postwar boxcars continues with the release of the DT&I boxcar. This is the first of our models to feature the ACF "Corrugated end" that has the dimples down the corners.

Also the long delayed DL&W rebuilt autocar.

Both kits include all the things you've come to expect from our kits. Photoetch parts, laser cut r/bs where appropriate, custom decals, correct trucks, etc.

Photos and other details will be up on the blog as soon as I can get the last details wrapped up

Also we have some new photoetched parts.
Because you asked,
The airhose bracket is now on a separate fret.
The cutlever bracket is now on a separate fret.
Photos later today I hope

And new laser cut running boards for SFRD reefers, with both styles of hatch platforms.

It's going to be an awesome show!

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Kevin,

In MW service, the flats were around into the 1980s. I photographed one of the last in Charlottesville around 1986.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 7/5/18 6:56 PM, csxt5555 via Groups.Io wrote:
Can anyone give me the latest dates these were on the roster?  Both flats and the gone.

Kevin


On Jul 5, 2018, at 6:17 PM, hubert mask <maskisland@...> wrote:

Is there a decal set for this guy?  Just asking 

Hubert Mask
Mask Island Decals


On Jul 5, 2018, at 3:42 PM, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:

Gary,

Well spotted, but the step isn't missing - there simply was never one fitted there ( note no rivet holes in the side sill). It's 1913 and this car hasn't been brought into compliance with the Safety Appliance Act yet.

Jack Mullen


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Tim O'Connor
 

Kevin

Dunno when the last ones were off the roster, but...

Still 133 40ft 6in flat cars in series 116600 to 116849 in 1965

Still 175 41ft 6in flat cars in series 116850 to 117354 in 1965

Still  27 39ft 7in gondolas* in series 117500 to 117999 in 1965

  * These were all converted 41ft 6in flat cars, and 7 of them were
    classified as LP (pulpwood) and had end racks for that purpose

Tim O'Connor



 Can anyone give me the latest dates these were on the roster?  Both flats and the gone.
 Kevin


Is there a decal set for this guy?  Just asking 

Hubert Mask
Mask Island Decals


On Jul 5, 2018, at 3:42 PM, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@... > wrote:

Gary,

Well spotted, but the step isn't missing - there simply was never one fitted there ( note no rivet holes in the side sill). It's 1913 and this car hasn't been brought into compliance with the Safety Appliance Act yet.

Jack Mullen


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

csxt5555
 

Can anyone give me the latest dates these were on the roster?  Both flats and the gone.

Kevin


On Jul 5, 2018, at 6:17 PM, hubert mask <maskisland@...> wrote:

Is there a decal set for this guy?  Just asking 

Hubert Mask
Mask Island Decals


On Jul 5, 2018, at 3:42 PM, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:

Gary,

Well spotted, but the step isn't missing - there simply was never one fitted there ( note no rivet holes in the side sill). It's 1913 and this car hasn't been brought into compliance with the Safety Appliance Act yet.

Jack Mullen


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

hubert mask
 

Is there a decal set for this guy?  Just asking 

Hubert Mask
Mask Island Decals


On Jul 5, 2018, at 3:42 PM, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:

Gary,

Well spotted, but the step isn't missing - there simply was never one fitted there ( note no rivet holes in the side sill). It's 1913 and this car hasn't been brought into compliance with the Safety Appliance Act yet.

Jack Mullen


Re: Bangor & Aroostook 1927 Boxcar 61000 series (Reefer Colors)

ROGER HINMAN
 

The attached is a car I built back in the 90s using the Champ set, looks brown to me

Roger Hinman


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2018 5:33 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Bangor & Aroostook 1927 Boxcar 61000 series (Reefer Colors)

I thought so since they are brown. The Champ decal seems black or dark grey.

Bill Welch


Re: Bangor & Aroostook reefers

ROGER HINMAN
 

There were even a small quantity of the NRC std wood reefer sold to them also; I've never found a photo of one in the BAR paint scheme. From all the photos I've seen, the cars registered in the 6000 series have steel ends and were probably the first cars purchased. The 6100-6700 cars appear to all have wood ends.

Roger Hinman

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2018 11:26 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Bangor & Aroostook reefers


Note that the BAR wood reefers are NOT all the same. Some had steel ends,
and this one (below) had wood ends.

Tim O'




Agreed! There were HUNDREDS of these BAR wood reefers in service throughout
the 1950's. And all SP & UP (i.e. PFE) modelers can use them as well. :-)

1953 - 238 in service
1955 - 272 in service (note INCREASE from 1953 to 1955)
1959 - 136 in service

I've included a photo of the orange repaint. So we can document at least THREE
paint and lettering styles on these BAR wood reefers.

Tim O'Connor


That is the $64K question Tim. To me this is the most obvious gap in kit availability
reefer-wise or freight car wise for that matter in HO with a variety of decades, reporting
marks and paint schemes. Someone is missing the boat here.

Bill Welch

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Clearwater Car Shops get busy painting

Bill Welch
 

The Boys at the CCS fired up their new compressor, loaded Badger's Stynylrez grey primer in their Badger 105 "howitzer" and let loose on two styrene and two resin models. Here is the lowdown.

—Georgia USRA Steel Rebuild using the Tichy kit needs a LOT of rivets, all harvested from an Athearn boxcar. The welded roof got Archer Panel Line decals to represent the butt welded roof panels. Next will come black paint on ladders, doors, ends, roof and right ends of the sides, masking and then aluminum/silver paint.
—P&LE USRA Steel rebuild using Tichy kit also needs lots of rivets plus numerous enhancements to improve joints and sill details. Archer Rivet decals enhance the sides of the ends and roof ends while harvested rivets are used along the sill plus bits of styrene for various missing details. Doors are from Speedwitch with scratch built New York Central System Placard Boards. Sill steps are Brass Grandt Line parts. The vertical brake shaft bracket is made from Kadee spring material.
—M&StL 24000 series boxcar is a Sunshine kit. Among the things I obsessed on are the scratch built ladders and using 0.005 styrene to blend into the A-Line Sill Steps heated and re-bent to replicate the prototype.
—T&NO SS DD boxcar is a Speedwitch kit. Highlights include the countersunk Carriage bolts and another vertical brake shaft bracket made from Kadee spring material. Note the brake shaft is Square, correct for this car.

Bill Welch


Re: MDT 1920s reefer, was SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

dale florence <dwwesley@...>
 

Eric

I was looking forward to this kit. Sorry it will not be produced.

Dale Florence




On Thursday, July 5, 2018, 4:06:33 PM EDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


Dale,

 

At this point, production of an early 1920s MDT resin kit reefer does not look likely.

 

A master was created using drawing software and a print made at Shapeways to use as a master for resin production. After casting a couple dozen of the parts and assembling, there are concerns that the Shapeways print is too rough to meet the bar set by current resin freight car kits.

 

Wish the news were better.

 

 

Eric Hansamnn

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io ] On Behalf Of dale florence via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Eric, 

 

I know this is off subject, but are you going to produce the 1920'S Refer car into a kit for sale?

 

Dale Florence

 

 

 

 


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Eric Hansmann
 

As George mentioned, the Southern 116850-117349 flat cars had a 41-foot, 6-inch length. The image I sent was of an earlier car build and a foot and a half shorter.

 

I have some data on the 1926 Southern flat cars but wanted to check it with the 1926 ORER listings. While checking, I found an error on the Southern recapitulation data. The listing notes 4623 for all standard gauge, class F cars but my tally from the car series listings comes to 2385. With that number in mind, here are the three main flat car series on the 1926 Southern Railway roster. I believe all of these are fish belly side sill cars.

 

115000-115749 :: 709 cars; 40-foot length

115750-116849 :: 1070 cars; 40-foot, 2-inch length

116850-117349 :: 56 cars; 41-foot, 6-inch length

These flat cars represent 76% of the 1926 Southern flat car fleet.

 

I’m also interested in the composite gondolas that used the same underframe as the 116850-117349 flat cars. I had thought there were more than these. Here are the 1926 numbers.

118000-118749 :: 730 cars; 40-foot, 2-inch outside length

Attached is an image of Southern 118319 that was found in the University of Kentucky digital archive. Sadly, the weigh date is hidden behind a stake bracket.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Jobe, Sr.
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Thanks for that great photo Eric!  Also interesting is the repair to the lower end sheathing of Big Four 46611 on the adjacent track.

 

David Jobe, Sr.

Saint Ann, MO

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 11:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Attached is an image of a Southern fishbelly side sill flat car hauling a long load of plate steel. The image is from the Historic Pittsburgh digital archive site and was taken at the Rankin yard in 1913. While this car looks similar to the drawings George shared, it has a few slight differences. The end sill and number of stack brackets are two main differences.

 

I would guess the extra hand brake wheel and staff are from the Philadelphia & Reading car ahead of this Southern flat car.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Bruce:

Here is a Google Drive link to printable sizes of the two parts of Southern drawing SF-1126 showing the General Arrangement for Southern 116850-117349. It shows the brake line passing through the end sill. A minor detail....note the rivets on the body bolster directly above the truck side frame are flattened to provide clearance when the springs were completely depressed.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bM3G4RwUZphqjcAPc-Cd_-1CDNiE-3be?usp=sharing

I cannot find a reference to the Truck Spec for this series of cars. Truck Spec FT-97 was for series 116600-116849 and most likely applied to 116850-117349 but it is not much help. It specifies an arch bar truck that has been pencilled out and replaced with a "standard 50-ton cast steel freight truck". As this was when the Southern was changing from arch bar to cast steel trucks so exactly what was used on a particular car needs to be verified using a photo.

Ike

PS The same design was used for cars built and operated as "gondolas". Other than the wood sides and ends, they were the same as the 116000 series flats. It's not weathered but here's a photo of the same kit as a gon.


MDT 1920s reefer, was SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Eric Hansmann
 

Dale,

 

At this point, production of an early 1920s MDT resin kit reefer does not look likely.

 

A master was created using drawing software and a print made at Shapeways to use as a master for resin production. After casting a couple dozen of the parts and assembling, there are concerns that the Shapeways print is too rough to meet the bar set by current resin freight car kits.

 

Wish the news were better.

 

 

Eric Hansamnn

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of dale florence via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Eric, 

 

I know this is off subject, but are you going to produce the 1920'S Refer car into a kit for sale?

 

Dale Florence

 

 

 

 


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Jack Mullen
 

Gary,

Well spotted, but the step isn't missing - there simply was never one fitted there ( note no rivet holes in the side sill). It's 1913 and this car hasn't been brought into compliance with the Safety Appliance Act yet.

Jack Mullen


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Eric Hansmann
 

Gary,

 

I’m not certain when Southern 115232 was built, but I suspect it was just before the 1911 amendments to the Safety Appliance Act. The amendment stipulated the addition of safety appliance hardware for all new freight cars. Railroads had a period of time to upgrade older rolling stock and some cars remained in original form into the late Teens.

 

To our current perspective, the corner sill step is missing. But to the perspective of 1913 prototypes, the car has not yet been upgraded to meet the new safety standards. Note the adjacent NYCL boxcar does not have a complete grab iron ladder on the car side. The Big Four boxcar seems to have a NEW 1912 date, so it should have the full complement of grabs and sill steps. The third boxcar in that string (a weathered LS&MS car) is missing the car side ladder. This would be a common appearance in 1913.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 1:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Before the rivet police confiscate the picture,  the corner sill step is missing on the end facing the camera. 

 

Gary “I have flat cars with missing sill steps too” Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 9:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Attached is an image of a Southern fishbelly side sill flat car hauling a long load of plate steel. The image is from the Historic Pittsburgh digital archive site and was taken at the Rankin yard in 1913. While this car looks similar to the drawings George shared, it has a few slight differences. The end sill and number of stack brackets are two main differences.

 

I would guess the extra hand brake wheel and staff are from the Philadelphia & Reading car ahead of this Southern flat car.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Bruce:

Here is a Google Drive link to printable sizes of the two parts of Southern drawing SF-1126 showing the General Arrangement for Southern 116850-117349. It shows the brake line passing through the end sill. A minor detail....note the rivets on the body bolster directly above the truck side frame are flattened to provide clearance when the springs were completely depressed.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bM3G4RwUZphqjcAPc-Cd_-1CDNiE-3be?usp=sharing

I cannot find a reference to the Truck Spec for this series of cars. Truck Spec FT-97 was for series 116600-116849 and most likely applied to 116850-117349 but it is not much help. It specifies an arch bar truck that has been pencilled out and replaced with a "standard 50-ton cast steel freight truck". As this was when the Southern was changing from arch bar to cast steel trucks so exactly what was used on a particular car needs to be verified using a photo.

Ike

PS The same design was used for cars built and operated as "gondolas". Other than the wood sides and ends, they were the same as the 116000 series flats. It's not weathered but here's a photo of the same kit as a gon.


Re: Rock Island DS Box Car 155945

gary laakso
 

Lester, I built 3 of the first version of these kits as Great Northern cars in January, 1988.  The corner supports were separate castings and they were a pain to file down to size.  They have rolled many scale miles in 30 years!  Good job and a good article on how to build the kit.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 10:01 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Rock Island DS Box Car 155945

 

I have built, painted and lettered Funaro & Camerlengo double-sheathed Box Car, Rock Island 155945, flat resin kit 3061.   I have posted photos and writeup on my blog I started to share photos and writeup on Freight Cars, etc. of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following:

 

 

Lester Breuer


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

gary laakso
 

Before the rivet police confiscate the picture,  the corner sill step is missing on the end facing the camera. 

 

Gary “I have flat cars with missing sill steps too” Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 9:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Attached is an image of a Southern fishbelly side sill flat car hauling a long load of plate steel. The image is from the Historic Pittsburgh digital archive site and was taken at the Rankin yard in 1913. While this car looks similar to the drawings George shared, it has a few slight differences. The end sill and number of stack brackets are two main differences.

 

I would guess the extra hand brake wheel and staff are from the Philadelphia & Reading car ahead of this Southern flat car.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Bruce:

Here is a Google Drive link to printable sizes of the two parts of Southern drawing SF-1126 showing the General Arrangement for Southern 116850-117349. It shows the brake line passing through the end sill. A minor detail....note the rivets on the body bolster directly above the truck side frame are flattened to provide clearance when the springs were completely depressed.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bM3G4RwUZphqjcAPc-Cd_-1CDNiE-3be?usp=sharing

I cannot find a reference to the Truck Spec for this series of cars. Truck Spec FT-97 was for series 116600-116849 and most likely applied to 116850-117349 but it is not much help. It specifies an arch bar truck that has been pencilled out and replaced with a "standard 50-ton cast steel freight truck". As this was when the Southern was changing from arch bar to cast steel trucks so exactly what was used on a particular car needs to be verified using a photo.

Ike

PS The same design was used for cars built and operated as "gondolas". Other than the wood sides and ends, they were the same as the 116000 series flats. It's not weathered but here's a photo of the same kit as a gon.


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