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Re: CNW14599.jpg

Benjamin Hom
 

Jim Betz wrote:
"But notice that round vertical bar running up the center of the door which makes me think that this may be a plug door. I don't remember ever seeing that kind of mechanism on any other type of door ... and also not on a stock car!"

OK, so if it's an operating mechanism, what is it hooked up to? Still NOT a plug door.


Ben Hom

Re: CNW14599.jpg

Jim Betz
 

Brian,

  Yes and no on the bed sheet ... yes, I think there probably is some kind
of material 'cover' on that door.
  But notice that round vertical bar running up the center of the door 
which makes me think that this may be a plug door.
  I don't remember ever seeing that kind of mechanism on any other
type of door ... and also not on a stock car!

  I also can't figure out the reason for the 'sheet' ...
                                                                                                  - Jim B.

Re: CNW14599.jpg

Benjamin Hom
 

Jim Betz wrote:
"I was searching the web and found an image of the subject car - on a CNW blogspot - and it looks like a stock car ... wait for it ... with a reefer/plug door! Strange to say the least."
http://cnwmodeling.blogspot.com/2012_12_01_archive.html 

Direct link to the image in question:

NO.  Look closely - it is NOT a plug door or reefer door, but some sort of tarp wrapped around the door of the car.


Ben Hom




Re: CNW14599.jpg

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Looks like an old tattered bedsheet to me.





Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni



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Date: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 12:26 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] CNW14599.jpg





Hi all,



I was searching the web and found an image of the subject car - on a CNW blogspot -

and it looks like a stock car ... wait for it ... with a reefer/plug door! Strange to say the

least.

- Jim B.



http://cnwmodeling.blogspot.com/2012_12_01_archive.html



This will take a considerable amount of scrolling and waiting to find the image.

You would probably find it quicker just doing a google search for the subject

line.

CNW14599.jpg

Jim Betz
 

Hi all,


  I was searching the web and found an image of the subject car - on a CNW blogspot -

and it looks like a stock car ... wait for it ... with a reefer/plug door!  Strange to say the

least.

                                                                                                                       - Jim B.


http://cnwmodeling.blogspot.com/2012_12_01_archive.html


  This will take a considerable amount of scrolling and waiting to find the image.

You would probably find it quicker just doing a google search for the subject

line.


PRR "Merchandise Service"

Jim Betz
 

Hi,

I've always guessed that the Pennsy "Merchandise Service" was one of
those things that many of the RRs did in the late 50's where they
promoted something that turned out to not really be any advantage
to the shipper. Other examples of this were the GN Orange and Green
cars, SP Overnight, B&O Sentinel, etc., etc., etc.

I'm NOT saying that the RRs didn't -try- to provide competition for the
already growing long haul trucking ... I'm saying that they weren't able
to make it work and soon after initiating the service (often less than 5
years) the cars went back to being 'just' rolling billboards and they
weren't used for any particular captive/priority service. Those special
services were still being promoted - but you were just as likely to see
a regular box car in use as one of the ones that were painted up for the
service ... and the ones so painted used in general interchange.
I do know that on the GN and the SP those special cars lasted less
than 5 years - in terms of being used in any particular service.
The paint jobs, of course, lasted much longer.

Was this actually true for the PRR Merchandise Service also?
- Jim B.

P.S. Who is admittedly very weak on all things Pennsy.

Re: Photos From The Barriger Library: Cease & Desist?

Paul Koehler
 

Bob:

 

I for one have enjoyed the pictures you have posted.  Keep doing it.  If Scott doesn’t like it he can just hit delete or quit the group.  Too many haters in this world, if you can’t say something nice just keep quite.  Thanks again for all of the enjoyment.

 

Paul C. Koehler

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 8:45 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Photos From The Barriger Library: Cease & Desist?

 

 

I received the request below from Scott H. Haycock as a spokesperson for this group.

 

I was a bit surprised as many of you have corresponded with me off-list, thanking me for posting Barriger Library and other photos with related questions and comments.

 

And some of you have used the photos to point out additional items of interest and background which has added to the overall body of knowledge.

 

So group, what say you?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

 

Bob,

 

Cease and desist! We all know about the Barriger Library.

 

Many of the questions you ask have been covered in the past on this list. Do some research within this list's file section. A hint: JPEGS, PDFs, & EXEL files are listed by date, but then by file types.

 

scroll down to each different file type section.

 

Unless you have a specific question about a specific image, you're wasting everyone's time.

 

You can contact me if you need any clarification.

 

Scott Haycock

Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantment.

Re: Photos From The Barriger Library: Cease & Desist?

Brian Carlson
 

Before people comment this should be brought only to the admins attention. Airing this in public does no good. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 5, 2017, at 11:44 AM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

I received the request below from Scott H. Haycock as a spokesperson for this group.

 

I was a bit surprised as many of you have corresponded with me off-list, thanking me for posting Barriger Library and other photos with related questions and comments.

 

And some of you have used the photos to point out additional items of interest and background which has added to the overall body of knowledge.

 

So group, what say you?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

 

Bob,

 

Cease and desist! We all know about the Barriger Library.

 

Many of the questions you ask have been covered in the past on this list. Do some research within this list's file section. A hint: JPEGS, PDFs, & EXEL files are listed by date, but then by file types.

 

scroll down to each different file type section.

 

Unless you have a specific question about a specific image, you're wasting everyone's time.

 

You can contact me if you need any clarification.

 

Scott Haycock

Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantment.

Flood of 1913 photos from Dayton Metro Library

Eric Hansmann
 

Fellow Pre-Depression Era modeler alerted me to an online collection of images at the Dayton, Ohio, Metro Library. Many of the images document the disastrous flood of 1913 that affected Dayton and a very large region of mid-America. Here’s a link to a search with other links to the side for various collections.

http://content.daytonmetrolibrary.org/cdm/search/collection/floodmcpf!floodpost!ms007dml!postcards!lutzenberge!ms019mburg!mclantern!mcpf!p16669coll5/searchterm/railroad/field/all/mode/all/conn/and/display/200/order/nosort/ad/asc

 

 

 

Several interesting freight cars can be seen in this image; Santa Fee reefers and a box car, a Hocking valley coal gon, a Big Four box car, and part of a CH&D gondola.

http://content.daytonmetrolibrary.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/floodmcpf/id/394/rec/51

 

 

 

This image features a GH&SA box car, a B&O M-8 class box car, and part of a Pennsy XL to the right. I wish we could get a bitter view of the gondola behind the GH&SA box car.

http://content.daytonmetrolibrary.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/floodmcpf/id/127/rec/73

 

 

 

 

To maximize the image view, pull down on the funny rectangular button at the bottom center of the photo area. This button has small up and down arrows. The slider above the image block enables magnification for closer look.

 

Enjoy!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

Re: Photos From The Barriger Library: Cease & Desist?

Charles Peck
 

Mr. Haycock does not speak for me.  I appreciate the photos and discussions as I can never learn too much.
Even what I thought I knew can be reaffirmed or corrected.
Chuck Peck

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 8:44 AM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I received the request below from Scott H. Haycock as a spokesperson for this group.

 

I was a bit surprised as many of you have corresponded with me off-list, thanking me for posting Barriger Library and other photos with related questions and comments.

 

And some of you have used the photos to point out additional items of interest and background which has added to the overall body of knowledge.

 

So group, what say you?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

 

Bob,

 

Cease and desist! We all know about the Barriger Library.

 

Many of the questions you ask have been covered in the past on this list. Do some research within this list's file section. A hint: JPEGS, PDFs, & EXEL files are listed by date, but then by file types.

 

scroll down to each different file type section.

 

Unless you have a specific question about a specific image, you're wasting everyone's time.

 

You can contact me if you need any clarification.

 

Scott Haycock

Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantment.


Re: Photos From The Barriger Library: Cease & Desist?

rwitt_2000
 

Keep it up ...

You found a photo of PFE reefers and asked about hatch rests and others saw the B&O passenger train in the background.

The more eyes looking at the collection the more we will find in this collection so I re-posted this link to the B&O Yahoo Group.

Bob Witt

Re: Item On PFE Reefer Roof

Todd Sullivan
 

Bruce and all, as an additional note ...

The 'roof rib' style hatch rests are included in Red Caboose kits of wood sheathed PFE reefers that come without the full wooden hatch walkways around the hatches.

Todd Sullivan


---In STMFC@..., <smithbf@...> wrote :

Tom,

As Bill has already noted, these are hatch rests.  They kept the hatches from damaging the roof and the roof from damaging the hatch, especially the latching and grab iron hardware on the hatches. Careful examination will show that these are on most refrigerator cars, especially those with steel roofs.  “Our Companies” (FGE, BRE, WEF, National) had a unique design that is quite recognizable if you know it.  These PFE hatch rests appear to be simply extra height ribs.


Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



Re: Photos From The Barriger Library: Cease & Desist?

James L. Jeffery
 

The photos are helpful for a lot of reasons. They are history and help in modeling.
Jim Jeffery
Puyallup, WA


From: "thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 8:44:48 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Photos From The Barriger Library: Cease & Desist?





I received the request below from Scott H. Haycock as a spokesperson for this group.


 


I was a bit surprised as many of you have corresponded with me off-list, thanking me for posting Barriger Library and other photos with related questions and comments.


 


And some of you have used the photos to point out additional items of interest and background which has added to the overall body of knowledge.


 


So group, what say you?


 


Bob Chaparro


Hemet, CA


++++


 


Bob,


 


Cease and desist! We all know about the Barriger Library.


 


Many of the questions you ask have been covered in the past on this list. Do some research within this list's file section. A hint: JPEGS, PDFs, & EXEL files are listed by date, but then by file types.


 


scroll down to each different file type section.


 


Unless you have a specific question about a specific image, you're wasting everyone's time.


 


You can contact me if you need any clarification.


 


Scott Haycock


Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantment.




Photos From The Barriger Library: Cease & Desist?

thecitrusbelt@...
 

I received the request below from Scott H. Haycock as a spokesperson for this group.

 

I was a bit surprised as many of you have corresponded with me off-list, thanking me for posting Barriger Library and other photos with related questions and comments.

 

And some of you have used the photos to point out additional items of interest and background which has added to the overall body of knowledge.

 

So group, what say you?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

 

Bob,

 

Cease and desist! We all know about the Barriger Library.

 

Many of the questions you ask have been covered in the past on this list. Do some research within this list's file section. A hint: JPEGS, PDFs, & EXEL files are listed by date, but then by file types.

 

scroll down to each different file type section.

 

Unless you have a specific question about a specific image, you're wasting everyone's time.

 

You can contact me if you need any clarification.

 

Scott Haycock

Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantment.

Re: Item On PFE Reefer Roof

rwitt_2000
 

Bruce,

The hatch rests do appear to be free standing above the roof "rib" as there is a "L" shaped bracket used to fasten it to the side of the car. From this photo, I am not sure how it is fastened at the running boards.

Bob Witt

Re: Item On PFE Reefer Roof

Bruce Smith
 

Tom,

As Bill has already noted, these are hatch rests.  They kept the hatches from damaging the roof and the roof from damaging the hatch, especially the latching and grab iron hardware on the hatches. Careful examination will show that these are on most refrigerator cars, especially those with steel roofs.  “Our Companies” (FGE, BRE, WEF, National) had a unique design that is quite recognizable if you know it.  These PFE hatch rests appear to be simply extra height ribs.


Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Jul 5, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Tom Cataldo cataldotj@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Maybe the  p F e book got the answer

     Tom

On Tuesday, July 4, 2017, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



In this photo from the Barriger Library I noticed items near the end of the roof paralleling the roof ribs:

 



 


The other reefer also has them. Is this some sort of stop for a fully open bunker hatch or does it serve some other purpose?

 


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA




-- 
Thomas  j Cataldo




Re: PRR 503530

Bruce Smith
 

Todd,

As Ben noted, these cars did not have specialized load handling equipment, so, when needed, they could be used to haul any cargo that needed a boxcar.  That meant that they did travel off-road with some frequency, but it should also be clear that the off-road travel was NOT for LCL.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Jul 5, 2017, at 9:38 AM, Todd Horton toddchorton@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



How common was it for these cars to travel off line?  I have a photo of a C of G freight train at Perry Ga in Oct 1952 with one of the Merchandise Service X29's in it. 
 
Todd Horton

Re: PRR 503530

Benjamin Hom
 

Todd Horton asked:
"How common was it for these cars to travel off line? I have a photo of a C of G freight train at Perry Ga in Oct 1952 with one of the Merchandise Service X29's in it."

As I stated in my previous post, the Class X29 boxcars in MS2 were plain boxcars, so they weren't specifically assigned to LCL and could appear anywhere you'd send a boxcar. Think of these more as a rolling billboard and less of a car specifically assigned to LCL service.

For that matter, far more LCL was handled in plain boxcars than all of the North American railroads' specially painted and equipped cars combined.


Ben Hom

Re: Item On PFE Reefer Roof

tjcataldo
 

Maybe the  p F e book got the answer

     Tom

On Tuesday, July 4, 2017, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

In this photo from the Barriger Library I noticed items near the end of the roof paralleling the roof ribs:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/15541481269/in/dateposted/

 

The other reefer also has them. Is this some sort of stop for a fully open bunker hatch or does it serve some other purpose?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Thomas  j Cataldo

Modeling like a PROtotype Meet

gtws00
 

The NMRA Michiana Division is having a 2 day event "Modeling like a PROtotype" on Sept 22nd and 23rd at Notre Dame in Indiana,'I see that they have Clinics running for both days and two workshops,  Weathering with Dave Schroedle and Tony Sissons will have a workshop as well. 

Here is a link for info


http://michiana-nmra.org/con2017-1.html


I have been told by Dave Schroedle that this has been growing each year and is very much like an RPM meet.


George Toman