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Re: 2018 U.S. Open College Beer Championship

Tony Thompson
 

Bruce Smith wrote:

 

And of course, all of this reminds me to get to work on a presentation for Cocoa Beach 2019 on breweries and related Steam Era Freight Car traffic…


   Now that sounds like a tasty idea . . .

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: 2018 U.S. Open College Beer Championship

ottokroutil
 

Bruce, since this group prides itself on accuracy, I'd like to note that Pilsner beer comes for Pilsen. Pilsen is in Bohemia, not Bavaria. One wouldn't want to have the wrong paperwork...;)
Otto Kroutil


Re: Services of the Pullman Library

Tony Thompson
 

Fourth, all museums and libraries have to be vigilant against theft. Each has adopted policies to discourage theft, and abiding by such policies is part of the “cost of admission”. People who feel the rules don’t apply to them do arouse suspicion.

 Fifth, many of the drawings are not in good condition. Preservation of the information contained argues toward use of scans, not the original tracings, to minimize handling. It is also important to immediately return them to the correct storage location, as a misfiled drawing could be lost for decades. 


    Oh, c'mon, Alex. I have been to lots of archives and libraries with rare materials, and of course there is vigilance against theft, and there should be. But how about a little common sense here? One rare book library I visited allowed you to examine one book at a time. Turn it back, and you get your next request. I have worked in archives that had photo prints in folders, and you had to go through them under the eye of a librarian, and in one place, the number of prints was noted on the outside of the folder. Easy to count.
     I know Ted Anderson a little and he seems a reasonable guy. But in my view, Dave Nelson's experience is out of bounds. II would call it a black mark on the Pullman library. Just my two centavos.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Services of the Pullman Library

Scott
 

Does the Pullman Library have AC&F or Pressed Steel Car drawings?

Scott McDonald


Re: Services of the Pullman Library

Fred Jansz
 

Being over the pond and a few miles away, I also have excellent experiences with IRM/Pullman Libary. Very helpfull and understanding people who sent me everything I needed for my WP model projects.
Fred Jansz, The Netherlands


Re: 2018 U.S. Open College Beer Championship

Bruce Smith
 

Well, since I inadvertently sent this email to the list, let me point out that anyone with interest in this program can check it out at http://humsci.auburn.edu/brewing/  Unfortunately, it will not help you research, build or weather steam era freight cars, but it will train you to be a professional craft brewer, so if you’re looking for a career change to help pay for all those steam era freight car models, check out our program at Auburn!

And of course, all of this reminds me to get to work on a presentation for Cocoa Beach 2019 on breweries and related Steam Era Freight Car traffic…

Regards,
Bruce 
Bruce Smith, Auburn Al

P.S. Does saying “Steam Era Freight Cars” 3 times get me off the hook for a wildly off-topic post? Please? How about if I provide the moderators with beer (oh wait, I already do!)
P.P.S. Being faculty in a brewing science program is hard work, but somebody’s got to do it! ;)


On Jan 26, 2018, at 9:27 AM, O Fenton Wells srrfan1401@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Wowzer Bruce, I almost sent my application to Auburn for this party, I mean class  ;>)

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 10:18 AM, 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

oops… wrong email… how the heck did that sneak in??

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


On Jan 26, 2018, at 8:28 AM, 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Folks,

You may remember that I mentioned the U.S. Open College Beer Championship during orientation - if you remember that weekend at all ;)  Well, the time has come!  The way the contest works is that you will ship you beer to Auburn (me).  We will convene a tasting panel and select the best example from each of the 5 categories to represent Auburn in the contest.  We will then ship the remaining 3 containers to the contest.  The categories this year are: 

Category 1 - Belgian
Sub-Categories
Witbier
Belgian Pale Ale
Saison

Category 2 - Bavarian
Sub-Categories
Pilsner
Munchner Helles
Munchner Dunkel
Weizen

Category 3 - Stout
Sub-Categories
Oatmeal
Dry / Irish
American Stout
Cream Stout
Imperial

Category 4 - IPA
Sub-Categories
American IPA
English IPA
Session
Imperial

Category 5 - Open
Sub-Categories
Any one of the 110 styles recognized by the U.S. Open Beer Championship

Send 4 x 12 oz containers of your beer to me BEFORE April 1, 2018.
Dr. Bruce F. Smith
Room 121 Scott-Ritchey Research Center
1265 H.C. Morgan Drive
Auburn University, Al  36849-5525

Instructions for labeling your beer and tips for shipping beer to Auburn can be found at: http://usopencollege.com/shipping/  (DO NOT SHIP YOUR BEER TO THE US OPEN!!)
See http://usopencollege.com for information on the contest.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D., 
Professor, Brewing Science                     
334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax)









-- 
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...




Re: 2018 U.S. Open College Beer Championship

pennsylvania1954
 

I thought maybe there was coming up a discussion on DSDX (Schlitz) and SLRX (Bud) beer cars.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

On 01/26/2018 09:18 AM, 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] wrote:
oops… wrong email… how the heck did that sneak in??
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jan 26, 2018, at 8:28 AM, 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Folks,

You may remember that I mentioned the U.S. Open College Beer Championship during orientation - if you remember that weekend at all ;)  Well, the time has come!  The way the contest works is that you will ship you beer to Auburn (me).  We will convene a tasting panel and select the best example from each of the 5 categories to represent Auburn in the contest.  We will then ship the remaining 3 containers to the contest.  The categories this year are: 

Category 1 - Belgian
Sub-Categories
Witbier
Belgian Pale Ale
Saison

Category 2 - Bavarian
Sub-Categories
Pilsner
Munchner Helles
Munchner Dunkel
Weizen

Category 3 - Stout
Sub-Categories
Oatmeal
Dry / Irish
American Stout
Cream Stout
Imperial

Category 4 - IPA
Sub-Categories
American IPA
English IPA
Session
Imperial

Category 5 - Open
Sub-Categories
Any one of the 110 styles recognized by the U.S. Open Beer Championship

Send 4 x 12 oz containers of your beer to me BEFORE April 1, 2018.
Dr. Bruce F. Smith
Room 121 Scott-Ritchey Research Center
1265 H.C. Morgan Drive
Auburn University, Al  36849-5525

Instructions for labeling your beer and tips for shipping beer to Auburn can be found at: http://usopencollege.com/shipping/  (DO NOT SHIP YOUR BEER TO THE US OPEN!!)
See http://usopencollege.com for information on the contest.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D., 
Professor, Brewing Science                     
334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax)







Re: 2018 U.S. Open College Beer Championship

O Fenton Wells
 

Wowzer Bruce, I almost sent my application to Auburn for this party, I mean class  ;>)

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 10:18 AM, 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

oops… wrong email… how the heck did that sneak in??

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


On Jan 26, 2018, at 8:28 AM, 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Folks,

You may remember that I mentioned the U.S. Open College Beer Championship during orientation - if you remember that weekend at all ;)  Well, the time has come!  The way the contest works is that you will ship you beer to Auburn (me).  We will convene a tasting panel and select the best example from each of the 5 categories to represent Auburn in the contest.  We will then ship the remaining 3 containers to the contest.  The categories this year are: 

Category 1 - Belgian
Sub-Categories
Witbier
Belgian Pale Ale
Saison

Category 2 - Bavarian
Sub-Categories
Pilsner
Munchner Helles
Munchner Dunkel
Weizen

Category 3 - Stout
Sub-Categories
Oatmeal
Dry / Irish
American Stout
Cream Stout
Imperial

Category 4 - IPA
Sub-Categories
American IPA
English IPA
Session
Imperial

Category 5 - Open
Sub-Categories
Any one of the 110 styles recognized by the U.S. Open Beer Championship

Send 4 x 12 oz containers of your beer to me BEFORE April 1, 2018.
Dr. Bruce F. Smith
Room 121 Scott-Ritchey Research Center
1265 H.C. Morgan Drive
Auburn University, Al  36849-5525

Instructions for labeling your beer and tips for shipping beer to Auburn can be found at: http://usopencollege.com/shipping/  (DO NOT SHIP YOUR BEER TO THE US OPEN!!)
See http://usopencollege.com for information on the contest.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D., 
Professor, Brewing Science                     
334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax)








--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: 2018 U.S. Open College Beer Championship

Bruce Smith
 

oops… wrong email… how the heck did that sneak in??
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jan 26, 2018, at 8:28 AM, 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Folks,

You may remember that I mentioned the U.S. Open College Beer Championship during orientation - if you remember that weekend at all ;)  Well, the time has come!  The way the contest works is that you will ship you beer to Auburn (me).  We will convene a tasting panel and select the best example from each of the 5 categories to represent Auburn in the contest.  We will then ship the remaining 3 containers to the contest.  The categories this year are: 

Category 1 - Belgian
Sub-Categories
Witbier
Belgian Pale Ale
Saison

Category 2 - Bavarian
Sub-Categories
Pilsner
Munchner Helles
Munchner Dunkel
Weizen

Category 3 - Stout
Sub-Categories
Oatmeal
Dry / Irish
American Stout
Cream Stout
Imperial

Category 4 - IPA
Sub-Categories
American IPA
English IPA
Session
Imperial

Category 5 - Open
Sub-Categories
Any one of the 110 styles recognized by the U.S. Open Beer Championship

Send 4 x 12 oz containers of your beer to me BEFORE April 1, 2018.
Dr. Bruce F. Smith
Room 121 Scott-Ritchey Research Center
1265 H.C. Morgan Drive
Auburn University, Al  36849-5525

Instructions for labeling your beer and tips for shipping beer to Auburn can be found at: http://usopencollege.com/shipping/  (DO NOT SHIP YOUR BEER TO THE US OPEN!!)
See http://usopencollege.com for information on the contest.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D., 
Professor, Brewing Science                     
334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax)






Re: Services of the Pullman Library

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

Dave, I see several reasons why your approach didn’t work.

First, you seem to be confusing a PUBLIC LIBRARY with the Pullman Library. You pay taxes to support your local public library, which they use to employ a staff, fund a building, and acquire books and magazines for the use of the library district’s residents. Most of the materials are “in print”, and many will be in demand for only a limited period. The Pullman Library has no taxpayer support. It is supported by donations and by the fees paid for copies of the drawings and photos in its collections. Its staff is volunteers who wish to see the materials preserved and made available to present and future railfans, car preservation projects, and modelers. The materials in its collection are either donated or on long term loan from the successor companies to Pullman and Budd, and in the latter case are subject to the terms of the loan agreement. If lost they cannot be replaced.

Second, the volunteers at the Pullman Library come in on Wednesday. Some of them also volunteer in other roles at the Illinois Railway Museum on other days of the week. On Wednesdays there are always a number of projects under way, including filling drawing orders from the queue. The process to fill an order includes identifying the needed drawing, determining if it has been scanned, retrieving the tracing and scanning it if that has not been done previously, and burning a disk with the image. There are seldom extra volunteers to escort visitors into the storage areas to browse drawings and determine whether a drawing meets their needs. Unlike your public library, most research libraries do not have open stacks, and the Pullman Library does not have a reading room. Visitors MAY be allowed by appointment, and certainly should not drop in unexpectedly. Naturally, visitors with a “track record” of giving back to the railfan community through writing publications or marketing models seem most worthy of such a diversion of resources.

Third, because much of the collection of the Pullman Library is held on loan from the carbuilding companies, any copies distributed must be for a specific purpose and a license for that use must be signed by the recipient. Model building and car restoration are probably the most common purpose. There have been some requests for drawings to support litigation, and those require clearance from the legal department of the carbuilder.

Fourth, all museums and libraries have to be vigilant against theft. Each has adopted policies to discourage theft, and abiding by such policies is part of the “cost of admission”. People who feel the rules don’t apply to them do arouse suspicion.

Fifth, many of the drawings are not in good condition. Preservation of the information contained argues toward use of scans, not the original tracings, to minimize handling. It is also important to immediately return them to the correct storage location, as a misfiled drawing could be lost for decades.

Most buyers of information for a particular lot of cars start by purchasing a copy of the applicable drawing list, which is part of the specification for the lot. Naturally floor plans or general arrangement drawings are in much more demand than details of individual parts, if you are model building. If you are restoring a car the opposite may be true. In almost all cases an estimate is sent and payment is expected before the work is started. The fees received pay for equipment and supplies used to prepare the drawings and for general operating costs of the library.

I am one of the Wednesday volunteers and I drive 50 miles, paying several tolls, to come help. I also contribute financially as my retirement income allows. Others drive farther and pay more. We have other options for our time and money. But we hope our efforts preserve the information contained in these drawings for the benefit of those who appreciate them.

Alex Schneider

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 2:22 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Services of the Pullman Library





I had a COMPLETELY different experience. A number of years ago I had to jump thru hoops to convince Ted Anderson that my project was worthy of their attention and when I said I wanted to see the 1914 drawings in person before buying (as really old stuff is often poorly dimensioned) it was implied rather directly they suspected I want to steal the drawings. After multiple rounds of explaining to Bob Webber what and why I wanted to see the drawings he agreed it would be fine and sent me a license contract to sign, which I did. I figured Ted’s reservations seemed to have been set aside so I flew out to Chicago and dropped them another note asking when would be best to stop by (it was a busy weekend for them and so my question was intended to let them choose the best time) In the reply I was told by Ted that he still had doubts that my project was worthy of their attention and the only reason he could figure why anyone wanted to see the drawings beforehand was to steal them and that perhaps the right thing to do was for me to start the whole process of convincing them over again but absent that it was a no-go.

I told him in rather un-polite terms he could shove their drawings where the sun doesn’t shine and even tho I am still interested in purchasing drawings for at least a half dozen cars I’ll not do business w/ IRM so long as Ted Anderson had anything to do with the library.

Dave Nelson

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 7:01 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Services of the Pullman Library




Ted was very helpful to me in obtaining a drawing for a C&O HS project years ago just after they moved in.

Al Kresse
On January 25, 2018 at 9:48 AM "Schleigh Mike mike_schleigh@yahoo.com <mailto:mike_schleigh@yahoo.com> [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:



Over this past weekend, Group----

I received three sets of car builder drawing copies from the Pullman Library at the Illinois Railroad Museum. I had begun discussing these cars with Ted Anderson on Saturday afternoon late in October while attending the ChicagoLand RPM at Lisle. Ted recommended the best course of action to follow and I began it a couple of weeks after returning home. A couple of emails and one phone call later, my desires were identified, quoted, and soon paid for, just ahead of the Christmas season. I could not be more pleased with what I received and with the superb help I received from Ted and Bob Webber at the Library. If any of you are possibly! considering seeking help there, do not hesitate. Get on with it; the process was very easy as long as you provide the basic information the Library needs, i. e., car description including railroad and number series when purchased and date and place of construction. Do not get into the weeds with what you seek, just those facts of the construction. The Library is a phenomenal resource for research on our prototypes. If they have it, you will likely be pleased with it.

Since it has not been otherwise noted, I trust that I will be forgiven for the following. I will take the lead to say that Ted Anderson informed me that he would be retiring at the end of 2017 and, with that, no longer be the chief contact and curator at the Library. I hope he will not become a stranger there or attending our gatherings such as the RPM meets. We owe him a debt of gratitude and I suspect I am one of many researchers who have been thrilled with the information Ted has helped find and provide for our dreams and desires. Thank you Ted!

Mr. Bob Webber has assumed the curator role and Ted as assumed an "emeritus" title.

From Western Penna, at Grove City----Mike Schleigh


Re: Width over side sheets for CNW/CMO USRA DS rebuilds

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <benjaminscanlon@...> wrote :


However, Martin Lofton's categorisation of some rebuilds as 'AAR design' made me think that some earlier 'extended height' category rebuilds maybe differed from AAR dimensions. 

Cheers, 

Ben Scanlon
===================

Which would be correct. The early Youngstown Steel Door Co. pre-fab car sides offered no increase in height, the sheathing pattern differed from the AAR design, and were intended to use the existing roof components. The last iteration of the design essentially supplied an AAR standard body modified to adapt it to a narrower underframe.

Dennis Storzek


Re: More reefers

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <doug.harding@...> wrote :

2 tons chicken,

1,800 gallons beer...


Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 =======================


Note to wife:

Decrease chicken, increase beer :-)


Dennis Storzek


Re: Width over side sheets for CNW/CMO USRA DS rebuilds

Benjamin Scanlon
 

Dear Jack, thanks for the correction  All very helpful and I thank you   

I'd assumed the railroads would, if it were possible, rebuild their cars to conform to designs and practices in vogue at the time.  

However, Martin Lofton's categorisation of some rebuilds as 'AAR design' made me think that some earlier 'extended height' category rebuilds maybe differed from AAR dimensions. 

Cheers, 

Ben Scanlon


Re: Services of the Pullman Library

Dave Nelson
 

I had a COMPLETELY different experience.  A number of years ago I had to jump thru hoops to convince Ted Anderson that my project was worthy of their attention and when I said I wanted to see the 1914 drawings in person before buying (as really old stuff is often poorly dimensioned) it was implied rather directly they suspected I want to steal the drawings.  After multiple rounds of explaining to Bob Webber what and why I wanted to see the drawings he agreed it would be fine and sent me a license contract to sign, which I did.  I figured Ted’s reservations seemed to have been set aside so I flew  out to Chicago and dropped them another note asking when would be best to stop by (it was a busy weekend for them and so my question was intended to let them choose the best time) In the reply I was told by Ted that he still had doubts that my project was worthy of their attention and the only reason he  could figure why anyone wanted to see the drawings beforehand was to steal them and that perhaps the right thing to do was for me to start the whole process of convincing them over again but absent that it was a no-go.

 

I told him in rather un-polite terms he could shove their drawings where the sun doesn’t shine and even tho I am still interested in purchasing drawings for at least a half dozen cars I’ll not do business w/ IRM so long as Ted Anderson had anything to do with the library.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 7:01 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Services of the Pullman Library

 




Ted was very helpful to me in obtaining a drawing for a C&O HS project years ago just after they moved in.

 

Al Kresse

On January 25, 2018 at 9:48 AM "Schleigh Mike mike_schleigh@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

 

Over this past weekend, Group----

 

I received three sets of car builder drawing copies from the Pullman Library at the Illinois Railroad Museum.  I had begun discussing these cars with Ted Anderson on Saturday afternoon late in October while attending the ChicagoLand RPM at Lisle.  Ted recommended the best course of action to follow and I began it a couple of weeks after returning home.  A couple of emails and one phone call later, my desires were identified, quoted, and soon paid for, just ahead of the Christmas season.  I could not be more pleased with what I received and with the superb help I received from Ted and Bob Webber at the Library.  If any of you are possibly! considering seeking help there, do not hesitate.  Get on with it; the process was very easy as long as you provide the basic information the Library needs, i. e., car description including railroad and number series when purchased and date and place of construction.  Do not get into the weeds with what you seek, just those facts of the construction.  The Library is a phenomenal resource for research on our prototypes.  If they have it, you will likely be pleased with it.

 

Since it has not been otherwise noted, I trust that I will be forgiven for the following.  I will take the lead to say that Ted Anderson informed me that he would be retiring at the end of 2017 and, with that, no longer be the chief contact and curator at the Library.  I hope he will not become a stranger there or attending our gatherings such as the RPM meets.  We owe him a debt of gratitude and I suspect I am one of many researchers who have been thrilled with the information Ted has helped find and provide for our dreams and desires.  Thank you Ted!

 

Mr. Bob Webber has assumed the curator role and Ted as assumed an "emeritus" title.

 

From Western Penna, at Grove City----Mike Schleigh

 


 





Re: More reefers

Brad Andonian
 

You are way too low on the wine...

On Thursday, January 25, 2018, 9:43 PM, 'Doug Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

The recent discussion about reefers came to mind when I found the following:

To feed an American for an average lifetime, the following shopping list will take care of the essentials:

4 tons beef,

4 tons potatoes,

4 tons fresh vegetables,

3 tons fresh fruit,

2,000 gallons milk,

2 tons chicken,

1,800 gallons beer,

1/2 ton fish,

20,000 eggs,

3-1/2 tons sugar,

1/2 ton cheese,

108,000 slices bread,

296 gallons wine,

80,000 cups coffee, (5,000 gallons)

880 gallons tea,

2,000 gallons soda.

--Marc McCutcheon,

The Compass in Your Nose and Other Astonishing Facts about Humans

(Los Angeles: Jeremy P. Tarcher, 1989).

 

A quick look at the list shows most of the items could of have traveled in a reefer. But look at the quantities, the lowly potato is right up there. For each reefer of beef do I also need a reefer hauling potatoes? Another hauling fresh vegetables, and yet another hauling fruit. Don’t overlook the dairy, eggs and chickens, also known as produce. And the beverages, almost as much beer as milk. I suspect the quantity of soda is more of a modern day item, though soda bottlers were around during the steam era. And these reefers varied in design based upon their intended loads.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: More reefers

Douglas Harding
 

The recent discussion about reefers came to mind when I found the following:

To feed an American for an average lifetime, the following shopping list will take care of the essentials:

4 tons beef,

4 tons potatoes,

4 tons fresh vegetables,

3 tons fresh fruit,

2,000 gallons milk,

2 tons chicken,

1,800 gallons beer,

1/2 ton fish,

20,000 eggs,

3-1/2 tons sugar,

1/2 ton cheese,

108,000 slices bread,

296 gallons wine,

80,000 cups coffee, (5,000 gallons)

880 gallons tea,

2,000 gallons soda.

--Marc McCutcheon,

The Compass in Your Nose and Other Astonishing Facts about Humans

(Los Angeles: Jeremy P. Tarcher, 1989).

 

A quick look at the list shows most of the items could of have traveled in a reefer. But look at the quantities, the lowly potato is right up there. For each reefer of beef do I also need a reefer hauling potatoes? Another hauling fresh vegetables, and yet another hauling fruit. Don’t overlook the dairy, eggs and chickens, also known as produce. And the beverages, almost as much beer as milk. I suspect the quantity of soda is more of a modern day item, though soda bottlers were around during the steam era. And these reefers varied in design based upon their intended loads.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: FEC 17001 ventilated cars

Bill Baker <bill_baker@...>
 

Rob,
 
I had the same problem . . . Model Railroader of December, 1975, page 59.  I checked the internet for a used magazine vendor to obtain my copy.  Expensive but worth it for the wealth of data.  (Bill Welch may be able to provide photos of his model.)
 
Regards
 
 

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:37 PM
Subject: [STMFC] FEC 17001 ventilated cars

I’m working on a model of the car end for these cars for another modeller, but so far am working from a poor ¾ view photo and the basic dimensions of murphy ends.  It would be useful to obtain dimensions for the height and width of the car bodies.  As a CPR modeller, I don’t have that sort of information in my resources..  If there are drawings or dimensions available, I’d sure appreciate it.
 
Thanks in advance
 
Rob Kirkham
 


Re: FEC 17001 ventilated cars

Robert kirkham
 

LOL – well, because I am building to O scale. 

 

Rob

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 4:08 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: FEC 17001 ventilated cars

 



If you are in 1/87 scale why not use the Westerfield ends for this car?

 

Bill Welch





Re: FGEX R7 reefer

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <smithbf@...> wrote :

​Lester,


The X23 family of cars, including the R7, did not have stringers.  I base this in an AB brake arrangement diagram for the X23, which clearly shows the center sills, all of the cross-bearers and other associated components of the underframe, but has no evidence in any view of stringers.  The absence of stringers may be due to the very hefty center sill.


Regards

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

========================

Stringers weren't about increasing the load capacity of the car, but rather the point loading the floor could resist. Back in the period just after the first war when these cars were designed, freight (other than bulk freight, like grain) was rolled in on hand trucks and stacked by hand. The point loading wasn't any greater than the overall floor loading, and cars from this era typically did not have stringers.

The general adoption of palatalized freight during WWII changed all that. Now you had the weight of maybe 16 sq.ft. of freight, plus the weight of the machine, all perched on the front two tires of the jeep, and breaking through the floor was a real possibility. Thus from WWII on, floors had first four, then six stringers to help distribute the point loads.

Dennis Storzek


Re: FGEX R7 reefer

Bruce Smith
 

​Lester,


The X23 family of cars, including the R7, did not have stringers.  I base this in an AB brake arrangement diagram for the X23, which clearly shows the center sills, all of the cross-bearers and other associated components of the underframe, but has no evidence in any view of stringers.  The absence of stringers may be due to the very hefty center sill.


Regards

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of frograbbit602@... [STMFC]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 1:00 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] FGEX R7 reefer
 


I am working on an Westerfield Models R7 FGEX Refrigerator, kit 11661, to be numbered in the 45645 to 46270 series. A photo of a car in this series appears in Railway Prototype Cyc., Vol. 15, p.75.  My question is on the underframe.   I see stringers on the underframe in some of the photos; however, no mention of them in the instructions.  I am asking if some can direct me to a drawing so I can or provide information to clear up the discrepancy so I can get the underframe correct.  I do have access to the 1919 Car Builders Cyc.; however, I could not find an answer there.  

Thank You for for time and effort to help.

Lester Breuer




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