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Is this one of the UTLX type V or type X cars?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

HI List members,

Is this one of the UTLX type V or type X cars?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/34285230751/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund

questions regarding H0 scale W&R tank car, specific offering

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,

I found the following offer of a W&R tank car:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/M-K-T-Katy-High-Walkway-Tank-Car-1-Dome-W-R-Enterprises-AC-F-6-000-GAL/282541463687?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

-which in my eyes looks very nice and just needs weathering.
But as I have even less knowledge about tank cars compared to other cars, I have the following questions:
- is this a prototypical paint job correct for this car?
- does it match my time frame of late 1940s to early 1950s?
- could this car be seen in a(ny) typical freight train, or is it something special (e. g. fuel car mostly sitting in a depot, etc.)?

Many thanks

Johannes

Help needed with paint job

Fred Jansz
 

Hi all,
finished a resin kit, painted it box car red (TruColor) and added a coat of gloss before decaling.
Because I tought one part of the car had too thick a layer of gloss, I tried to dry the surface faster with a hair dryer to prevent build up of paint.
Result is a surface of small bubbles instead of a smooth glossy surface. Probably because the hair dryer was too hot.
It's only on one side, the part left of the door, so I could mask and try to take the gloss & paint off that part of the car.
But how to proceed? Wipe the gloss & paint off with a cloth damped in thinner? Wipe with brush and thinner? Grit blast? Any good ideas?
Thanks for your help.
Fred Jansz


Soda Pop Bottling Plants

thecitrusbelt@...
 

I came across this photo of the G. Ferlita & Sons Bottling Plant in Tampa, Florida:

 

http://digitalcollections.hcplc.org/digital/collection/p15391coll1/id/10323

 

It reminded me that during the era of this group, especially in the earlier years, the country was dotted with bottling plants and many were initially served by rail with their own spurs.

 

Here is another example:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12594501174/in/dateposted/?ytcheck=1

 

That got me to thinking about what was delivered to these plants by rail. I could think of several things:

 

Carbon dioxide gas

Cleaning and sterilization chemicals (for equipment and reused bottles)

Cork seals

New bottles

Packaging supplies

Soda concentrate

Water treatment chemicals

 

I assume no sugar was required as that already was in the concentrate for cola drinks, although sugar might be required for citrus-based drinks.

 

And I assume all of this would arrive by boxcar with maybe a reefer used for the concentrate.

 

Does anyone have insight into what actually was received by bottling plants and what kinds of freight cars were used?

 

This information would be useful for an operating session on a layout that had such a bottling plant with its own spur.

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Silicone for attaching . . . [was: Silicon . . .]

Tony Thompson
 

As mentioned by other responders, silicone sealants are not true adhesives, but have sufficient adhesion to secure weights, etc. The brands you'll find at retail sources are similar in properties.

      Whether silicone sealants have SUFFICIENT adhesion is a matter of disagreement. I for one would not use them as adhesives.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Tank Cars On The SP

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

I'm sure they were on their way to somewhere else. Perhaps Tony T. can weight in on this with some authority.

I don't believe there were any oil fields or refineries anywhere near Palm Springs...assuming the content of the tank cars was oil.


      I obviously don't know for sure. But given all the oil production, and the refineries, in southern California, my guess would be that these cars are loads leaving southern California, with such things as kerosene, gasoline, heating oil, etc. on board. They could also be empties being returned into the LA basin.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Silicon for attaching weights

Bob Chapman
 

Bill --
 
Whatever you do, don't use "silicon" -- it's a crystalline element with no adhesive properties.  
 
As mentioned by other responders, silicone sealants are not true adhesives, but have sufficient adhesion to secure weights, etc. The brands you'll find at retail sources are similar in properties.
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman
 
  
 
I use nuts for weight in House Cars attached over the trucks, framed on two sides with .100 x .100 styrene strip. I cannot find the adhesive I have traditionally have used for attaching the nuts and thought I would used Silicon. What should I look for at HomeDepot/Lowes/Ace?


Bill Welch

Arch bar trucks / was Re: Another Steamtown NHS Image - DL&W 38555

np328
 

    

John Barry wrote:  

I faithfully reproduce that detail on ALL of the arch bar trucks legally used in interchange on my December 1944 layout!  Oh, rats, they were outlawed before the war;

 

     John, I think most all of us could have / justify at least one or two arch bar trucked cars on our layouts, with-in researched reasoning.

     On my most researched railroad, the Northern Pacific, I have letters of some wood sided, steel underframed cabooses were retired in the mid 1960's with arch bar trucks intact. (well beyond this lists time frame) Some of these cabooses were of “normal” crew configuration, others were side door cabooses used in local LCL service to the railroad. Since none went off line, they were all legal.

   If you have a working interchange with another railroad, you might have the other railroad's caboose have arch bar trucks.

    Tank cars used in company service could also apply, if these were water cars for work trains and of course work train cars could have some arch bar trucks. One does not need a full string of work cars, one car parked next to the roundhouse could be enough. Cinder gons, etc.

    Limited application examples, yes - perhaps however with research as stated above, one or two cars would be enough to add flavor and still be entirely prototypical.   

                                                                                                   Jim Dick - Roseville, MN     


Re: New Tangent Tank Cars

David
 

They are nice cars, I'm planning on getting one...

IF I ever find a valid number for a plain GATX tank. I'm not interested in any tanks with billboard lettering or circus colors.

David Thompson

Re: Tank Cars On The SP

Schuyler Larrabee
 

“assuming the content of the tank cars was oil.”



That is actually what I was wondering, Palm Springs being in the desert and all . . .



Schuyler



I'm sure they were on their way to somewhere else. Perhaps Tony T. can weight in on this with some authority.

I don't believe there were any oil fields or refineries anywhere near Palm Springs...assuming the content of the tank cars was oil.

Bob Chaparro


---In STMFC@..., <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote :

Bob, why so many tank cars at Palm Springs??

Schuyler





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Re: New Tangent Tank Cars

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Really great and much appreciated Tony.
Now we need crouting cards.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
Date: 7/1/17 8:51 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New Tangent Tank Cars

 

Jon Miller wrote:

 
On 7/1/2017 10:43 AM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:
And of course you will add placards and route cards,

    Again where are these available.


  Okay, folks, one more time. Number one, the info on prototype placards is readily available, and I included images of ALL the placards in use from 1930 through the 1950s in a prior blog post. You can download any image and print it out, exactly 1/8-inch on a side in HO scale for these 10.75-inch square placards. Here's the link to that post:


I followed up that post with a post with specifics about modeling use of these placards in HO scale. It's at this link:


There is a Microscale set, 87-975, which is correct for some though not all of these placards. It is incorrectly labeled as "1945-1970" (neither date is correct -- should be 1930 to 1960), and was long out of stock, but is now back in stock. If you prefer decals, this set works. But you need to check: some of the placards shown with all-red printing were NOT actually printed that way. See my prototype post, above, for info.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Tank Cars On The SP

thecitrusbelt@...
 

I'm sure they were on their way to somewhere else. Perhaps Tony T. can weight in on this with some authority.


I don't believe there were any oil fields or refineries anywhere near Palm Springs...assuming the content of the tank cars was oil.


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



---In STMFC@..., <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote :

Bob, why so many tank cars at Palm Springs??

Schuyler

Re: Another Steamtown NHS Image - DL&W 38555

Eric Hansmann
 

DL&W 38555 is part of series 38000-38995 with 622 listed in-service, as per
the October 1926 ORER.

These cars had an inside length of 36-feet, 3-inches; and 8-foot, 6-inch
inside width; and an 8-foot interior height. They were rated at 60000 pound
and 2465 cubic feet capacity. Nearly all are noted as having steel
underframes and friction draft gear.

In addition to this car series, there are a few more listed with similar
dimensional data.

10000-10199 - 23 listed in automobile service (XA)
39000-40824 - 1220 cars
40825-41572 - 537 cars
42500-42999 - 637 cars, rated as 80000 pound capacity
43000-43499 - 355 cars, rated as 80000 pound capacity
43500-43999 - 67 cars, rated as 80000 pound capacity

A total of 3,483 DL&W box cars are listed with these similar dimensions in
1926, plus 23 automobile box cars. These cars represent 22.5% of the 15,295
box car fleet at that time.

My current 1926 fleet has few DL&W box cars so this might be a target for a
future addition.

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 1:01 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Another Steamtown NHS Image - DL&W 38555

And, John, when blowing the image up a LOT, I note above the lower corner
braces, what looks like a bolt or something, which I'd guess to be the end
of a transverse rod to hold the car sides together at the ends?



The half drop grabs seem odd, as in wet, or really any weather you'd think
that a switchman grabbing hold of the car and putting his foot on these
grabs would appreciate not having the risk of his foot slipping off the flat
end of the grab, no?


Schuyler



Nor are the grabs all the same. Note the half drop on the bottom of grab
ladder the far right of the car and the bottom grab on the end on the left.
Not sure from the background if that is a half or full drop.



John Barry



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From: "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]" <





A great car to model! Not all of its ladder rungs are perfectly level, like
a lot of my models . . . 8^/

Schuyler

After a bit of an other-topics hiatus, the NPS Steamtown photo
collection posted by Historian/Archivist Pat (Richard) McKnight on
the ErieLack list returns to the freight car topic...

A nicely-lit 1915 roster shot of DL&W 38555... a 36ft Class H-11 box
car, built June 1910, including a good look at brake rigging and trucks.

Since I know we ALL appropriately stencil the top arch bar of our
cars' trucks... (i.e. Journal size and Bearing material...) this
photo will guide the faithful application of the lettering!!!!!

Possibly more photos upcoming...

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 03:05 AM 7/1/2017, on [ErieLack] McKnight, Richard wrote:
<snip>

http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-07-01-17


B2144.jpg (image/jpeg, 2918x2285 557104 bytes, BF: 11.97 ppb)
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-01-17/B2144.jpg
B2144--Boxcar no. 38555 [1915.xx.xx]

--
Patrick McKnight
Historian/Archivist
Steamtown NHS
150 S. Washington Avenue
Scranton, PA


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Re: New Tangent Tank Cars

Tony Thompson
 

Jon Miller wrote:

 
On 7/1/2017 10:43 AM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:
And of course you will add placards and route cards,

    Again where are these available.


  Okay, folks, one more time. Number one, the info on prototype placards is readily available, and I included images of ALL the placards in use from 1930 through the 1950s in a prior blog post. You can download any image and print it out, exactly 1/8-inch on a side in HO scale for these 10.75-inch square placards. Here's the link to that post:


I followed up that post with a post with specifics about modeling use of these placards in HO scale. It's at this link:


There is a Microscale set, 87-975, which is correct for some though not all of these placards. It is incorrectly labeled as "1945-1970" (neither date is correct -- should be 1930 to 1960), and was long out of stock, but is now back in stock. If you prefer decals, this set works. But you need to check: some of the placards shown with all-red printing were NOT actually printed that way. See my prototype post, above, for info.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Silicon for attaching weights

Gary Ray
 

I tried silicone caulk (for the bathtub – as I recall it was the GE Silicon) and held at first and then weights popped off.  I now use Barge Cement (old style – I was lucky enough to have a quart can – also great for gluing down rail to Central Valley tie strips – done with all the track work, thank goodness!)

Gary Ray

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:46 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Silicon for attaching weights

 



Bill, I use the GE Silicone II clear Premium Waterproof Silicone; however, any of the silicones will work or if you have Formula '560' canopy glue on hand you may want to try using that as it too will work well.

Lester Breuer

 

 

 





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HO Project:OMI Pennsy brass X28 1+1/2 door Auto box car

Andy Carlson
 



Hello-
I have a project PRR X28 box car in which I have lost interest. I purchased this Overland Models #3018, MS Models built, X28 without an underframe/floor. My intentions were to remove the left-side corrugated 4' Youngstown door, fill in the door opening with a riveted panel. and have a period correct X28A rebuild. (The same builder made an incorrect X28A in the same run.)

This comes with the original box and foam in great condition, but the underframe and floor is missing and I am including a Central Valley Model Works freight car frame. It is very close to the X28 underframe in that it has straight center sills and 5' striker plate-bolster center spacing. The brass body is in no-tarnish mint condition, and brake staff and running board, along with ladders and grabs are present. As the 1st 1000 cars came with arch bar trucks, I am including a pair of Tahoe Model Works 5'6" Arch Bar trucks with semi-scale code 88 wheel sets. Info for this car can be found in Vol. 24 of Railroad Prototype Cyclopedia which shows the two brass models from OMI.


The 1st 1000 (of a total of 5000 X28's built) were equipped with Youngstown corrugated steel doors, as is this model. I will toss in 4 pairs of Red Caboose X28 3-panel doors for kitbashing fodder if the buyer is inclined to model one of the 4000 so equipped. These cars were all gone by 1935, having been rebuilt into X28a single door box cars.

Offered for $75, shipping included to US addresses. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I accept PayPal.Contact me off-list for details

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA







Re: Another Steamtown NHS Image - DL&W 38555

Schuyler Larrabee
 

And, John, when blowing the image up a LOT, I note above the lower corner braces, what looks like a bolt or something, which I’d guess to be the end of a transverse rod to hold the car sides together at the ends?



The half drop grabs seem odd, as in wet, or really any weather you’d think that a switchman grabbing hold of the car and putting his foot on these grabs would appreciate not having the risk of his foot slipping off the flat end of the grab, no?


Schuyler



Nor are the grabs all the same. Note the half drop on the bottom of grab ladder the far right of the car and the bottom grab on the end on the left. Not sure from the background if that is a half or full drop.



John Barry



_____

From: "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]" <





A great car to model! Not all of its ladder rungs are perfectly level, like
a lot of my models . . . 8^/

Schuyler

After a bit of an other-topics hiatus, the NPS Steamtown photo
collection posted by Historian/Archivist Pat (Richard) McKnight on
the ErieLack list returns to the freight car topic...

A nicely-lit 1915 roster shot of DL&W 38555... a 36ft Class H-11 box
car, built June 1910, including a good look at brake rigging and trucks.

Since I know we ALL appropriately stencil the top arch bar of our
cars' trucks... (i.e. Journal size and Bearing material...) this
photo will guide the faithful application of the lettering!!!!!

Possibly more photos upcoming...

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 03:05 AM 7/1/2017, on [ErieLack] McKnight, Richard wrote:
<snip>

http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-07-01-17


B2144.jpg (image/jpeg, 2918x2285 557104 bytes, BF: 11.97 ppb)
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-01-17/B2144.jpg
B2144--Boxcar no. 38555 [1915.xx.xx]

--
Patrick McKnight
Historian/Archivist
Steamtown NHS
150 S. Washington Avenue
Scranton, PA


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http://EL-List.railfan.net/

Re: New Tangent Tank Cars

Jon Miller
 

On 7/1/2017 10:43 AM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:
And of course you will add placards and route cards,

    Again where are these available.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: New Tangent Tank Cars

Jon Miller
 

On 7/1/2017 10:20 AM, Mark.Rossiter@... [STMFC] wrote:
swap out the wheelsets with Tangent semi-scale wheelsets

    This is really starting to annoy me, specifically with top end cars.  One should be able to order with .088 wheelsets.  Tangent take note!

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: Another Steamtown NHS Image - DL&W 38555

John Barry
 

Nor are the grabs all the same.  Note the half drop on the bottom of grab ladder the far right of the car and the bottom grab on the end on the left.  Not sure from the background if that is a half or full drop.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Another Steamtown NHS Image - DL&W 38555

 
A great car to model! Not all of its ladder rungs are perfectly level, like
a lot of my models . . . 8^/

Schuyler

After a bit of an other-topics hiatus, the NPS Steamtown photo
collection posted by Historian/Archivist Pat (Richard) McKnight on
the ErieLack list returns to the freight car topic...

A nicely-lit 1915 roster shot of DL&W 38555... a 36ft Class H-11 box
car, built June 1910, including a good look at brake rigging and trucks.

Since I know we ALL appropriately stencil the top arch bar of our
cars' trucks... (i.e. Journal size and Bearing material...) this
photo will guide the faithful application of the lettering!!!!!

Possibly more photos upcoming...

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 03:05 AM 7/1/2017, on [ErieLack] McKnight, Richard wrote:
>
>
>http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-07-01-17
>
>
>B2144.jpg (image/jpeg, 2918x2285 557104 bytes, BF: 11.97 ppb)
>http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-01-17/B2144.jpg
>B2144--Boxcar no. 38555 [1915.xx.xx]
>
>--
>Patrick McKnight
>Historian/Archivist
>Steamtown NHS
>150 S. Washington Avenue
>Scranton, PA
>
>
> The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List
> http://EL-List.railfan.net/

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