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Re: RI decals wanted

earlyrail
 

friend is in need of the Rock Island 100 years of progress box car decals. He says he’s searched the current suppliers. Are they available? Does someone have a Champ set (if they made them) they’d part with?
Thanks!!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Have him check with Scale Model Supplies in St Paul. they bought the Camp Decal inventory.

Howard Garner

Re: [Non-DoD Source] RE: Interesting Freight Car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

....and that indeed is a coke plant in back. You can see the batteries in distant right. The building to front is where coal is charged into larry cars for charging the batteries. What we are looking at in front is likely the yard where outbounds and inbounds are handled for in-plant switching. The coke in the loaded cars is finer than you usually see coke, but it was produced in several grades for different uses.

Great shot!

Elden Gatwood

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The sign reads “FOR EXCLUSIVE USE BETWEEN LACLEDE COKE PLANT & MISSISSIPPI VALLEY IRON WORKS”. That would place it in the St. Louis Terminal district with my guess being the south side on the Iron Mountain perhaps in Lesperance Street yard just south of the Municipal (Free) Bridge, aka the MacArthur Bridge. I will defer to Ed Hawkins for more detailed information or any corrections to my best guess on the location.



David Jobe, Sr.

Saint Ann, Missouri



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Here is a photo link from the Barriger Library:



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Use the arrow pointing down at the lower right corner to see a larger version of the photo.



This undated photo was taken on the Missouri Pacific.



Notice the distinctive car in the middle of the photo. This appears to be a car that was in captive service and didn't leave the MP. The car lacks initials and a road number but does have a sign that begins to read "For Exclusive Use..."



I'm sure some of you already know all about this or similar cars so please share what you know.



Thanks.



Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Interesting Freight Car

Douglas Harding
 

That is a coke rack, most likely placed on a flatcar body, or possibly a gon. The car is used to transport coke. Lettering would be like that found on flatcars or gons.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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The sign reads “FOR EXCLUSIVE USE BETWEEN LACLEDE COKE PLANT & MISSISSIPPI VALLEY IRON WORKS”.  That would place it in the St. Louis Terminal district with my guess being the south side on the Iron Mountain perhaps in Lesperance Street yard just south of the Municipal (Free) Bridge, aka the MacArthur Bridge.  I will defer to Ed Hawkins for more detailed information or any corrections to my best guess on the location.

 

David Jobe, Sr.

Saint Ann, Missouri

 

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Here is a photo link from the Barriger Library:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12482153214/in/dateposted/

 

Use the arrow pointing down at the lower right corner to see a larger version of the photo.

 

This undated photo was taken on the Missouri Pacific.

 

Notice the distinctive car in the middle of the photo. This appears to be a car that was in captive service and didn't leave the MP. The car lacks initials and a road number but does have a sign that begins to read "For Exclusive Use..."

 

I'm sure some of you already know all about this or similar cars so please share what you know.

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA





What decal to use?

Jared Harper
 

I want a decal for a USRA DS box car circa May 1943.  Tichy shows two--10082 and 10083.  The 10082 shows with darker paint.

Thanks.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

Re: RI decals wanted

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Pretty sure I do. I’ll check when I get home.





Thanks!
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Brian Ehni



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A friend is in need of the Rock Island 100 years of progress box car decals. He says he’s searched the current suppliers. Are they available? Does someone have a Champ set (if they made them) they’d part with?

Thanks!!

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

RI decals wanted

Clark Propst
 

A friend is in need of the Rock Island 100 years of progress box car decals. He says he’s searched the current suppliers. Are they available? Does someone have a Champ set (if they made them) they’d part with?
Thanks!!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Re: Interesting Freight Car

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro asked:
"Here is a photo link from the Barriger Library:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12482153214/in/dateposted/
 
This undated photo was taken on the Missouri Pacific.
 
Notice the distinctive car in the middle of the photo. This appears to be a car that was in captive service and didn't leave the MP. The car lacks initials and a road number but does have a sign that begins to read 'For Exclusive Use...'
 
I'm sure some of you already know all about this or similar cars so please share what you know."


David Jobe, Sr. replied: 
"The sign reads 'FOR EXCLUSIVE USE BETWEEN LACLEDE COKE PLANT & MISSISSIPPI VALLEY IRON WORKS'.  That would place it in the St. Louis Terminal district with my guess being the south side on the Iron Mountain perhaps in Lesperance Street yard just south of the Municipal (Free) Bridge, aka the MacArthur Bridge.  I will defer to Ed Hawkins for more detailed information or any corrections to my best guess on the location."

This is a coke rack.  Coke is less dense than coal and is in large chunks, so a tall car with slats is good enough to handle this cargo.  The presence of stock cars with this car is no accident as some stock cars of the late 19th and early 20th century were equipped with drop doors for use of the cars to handle coke.


Ben Hom 

Re: Interesting Freight Car

David Jobe, Sr.
 

The sign reads “FOR EXCLUSIVE USE BETWEEN LACLEDE COKE PLANT & MISSISSIPPI VALLEY IRON WORKS”.  That would place it in the St. Louis Terminal district with my guess being the south side on the Iron Mountain perhaps in Lesperance Street yard just south of the Municipal (Free) Bridge, aka the MacArthur Bridge.  I will defer to Ed Hawkins for more detailed information or any corrections to my best guess on the location.

 

David Jobe, Sr.

Saint Ann, Missouri

 

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Here is a photo link from the Barriger Library:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12482153214/in/dateposted/

 

Use the arrow pointing down at the lower right corner to see a larger version of the photo.

 

This undated photo was taken on the Missouri Pacific.

 

Notice the distinctive car in the middle of the photo. This appears to be a car that was in captive service and didn't leave the MP. The car lacks initials and a road number but does have a sign that begins to read "For Exclusive Use..."

 

I'm sure some of you already know all about this or similar cars so please share what you know.

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA




Re: Interesting Freight Car

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Not lacking, most likely hidden by the cars in front. Note how tall it is compared to the CB&Q stock car it’s coupled to.





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Here is a photo link from the Barriger Library:



https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12482153214/in/dateposted/



Use the arrow pointing down at the lower right corner to see a larger version of the photo.



This undated photo was taken on the Missouri Pacific.



Notice the distinctive car in the middle of the photo. This appears to be a car that was in captive service and didn't leave the MP. The car lacks initials and a road number but does have a sign that begins to read "For Exclusive Use..."



I'm sure some of you already know all about this or similar cars so please share what you know.



Thanks.



Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA





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Interesting Freight Car

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Here is a photo link from the Barriger Library:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12482153214/in/dateposted/

 

Use the arrow pointing down at the lower right corner to see a larger version of the photo.

 

This undated photo was taken on the Missouri Pacific.

 

Notice the distinctive car in the middle of the photo. This appears to be a car that was in captive service and didn't leave the MP. The car lacks initials and a road number but does have a sign that begins to read "For Exclusive Use..."

 

I'm sure some of you already know all about this or similar cars so please share what you know.

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: The new Tangent tank car

Bill Welch
 

Back in about the mid-1990's Martin Lofton built into the Naperville RPM event a panel discussion on a Saturday night focused on kit possibilities—sort of "what do people want?" discussion. I do not remember any of what was discussed except: Tank Cars, Tank Cars, Tank Cars and Conical Rivets. At the time the only finely detailed kit available in 1/87 scale was the Tichy kit and we are familiar with its limitations of usefulness. Richard H. was there either in the audience or on the panel and I am sure offered up some possibilities.

It does not seem like it was very long after this discussion—a year or so, maybe a little longer—that the InterMountain ACF Type 27 kit appeared and Sunshine's Type 27 8K Insulated Tank Car kit followed it. (For the life of me I cannot believe IM has still not cut a tool to do this tank!!!!). Then came the Proto 2000 ACF Type 21 kits, Sunshine X-3 kits, five (now seven) Southern Car & Foundry kits, one from Speedwitch, more Sunshine until today with Tangent, Resin Car Works, Broadway, Atlas and who know who and what may be around the corner.

While I am not saying that Saturday Night Panel is responsible for the wealth of possibilities we have now, but certainly a "seed was planted" and Richard was cultivating the soil educating us and manufacturers. Now it is Ted, Ed, and Dave that continue work.

Bill Welch

Re: Decal source

frograbbit602
 

Jared you might try
Scales Model Supplies
458 No. Lexington Pkwy, St. Paul, MN

Their phone number:  651-646-7781

They have a decent supply of older decals.

Lester Breuer

Re: Decal source

hubert mask
 

Des plaines hobbies
Des plaines Illinois

Hubert Mask
Mask Island Decals Inc


On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:03 AM, Jared Harper harperandbrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Does anyone know of a hobby shop that might carry a deep selection of Microscale decals and who might have some decal sets that Microscale says are "out of stock?"

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

Decal source

Jared Harper
 

Does anyone know of a hobby shop that might carry a deep selection of Microscale decals and who might have some decal sets that Microscale says are "out of stock?"

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

Re: The new Tangent tank car

al_brown03
 

Agreed.

A string of steam-era tank cars has as much variety (if not more) as steam-era boxcars, which have drawn much more comment. Tank cars have different gallonages, numbers of compartments, sizes and numbers and spacings of domes ... dome platforms or lack thereof ... and that's before we get to underframe details.

Therefore: there's lots of fun in tank-car modelling.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Re: The new Tangent tank car

Kemal Mumcu
 

Mostly a reader on this forum. Forgot to sign.

It's amazing the variety that tank cars came in.

Colin M

Re: The new Tangent tank car

Tony Thompson
 

Not sure who wrote this, since it wasn't signed:

Curiously, the two Roma cars in Tangent's prototype photo are slightly different. The length of the jacketing courses varies between the two cars and yet their car numbers are only 4 numbers different. I assume both these cars are from the same batch but maybe not.
Incidentally, Tangent nailed the correct car number (4584) to their ho model. Perhaps Tangent could offer the other jacket variation some time eh? :)_,_._,___


         Tangent offers both car numbers in the photo, GATX 4584 and 4588.

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Re: The new Tangent tank car

Kemal Mumcu
 

Curiously, the two Roma cars in Tangent's prototype photo are slightly different. The length of the jacketing courses varies between the two cars and yet their car numbers are only 4 numbers different. I assume both these cars are from the same batch but maybe not.

Incidentally, Tangent nailed the correct car number (4584) to their ho model. Perhaps Tangent could offer the other jacket variation some time eh? :)

Re: And the Very First Pullman PS1 was. . .

Ed Hawkins
 

speedwitchmedia@... [STMFC] wrote:

Ed (or others),

I haven't seen it asked and, unfortunately, I wasn't able to make Ed's clinic (tough thing trying to run a business at these meets!) Did the Monon cars have PS-1 underframes? I assume yes in order to be considered PS-1 design cars.
Cheers,
Ted Culotta
Ted,
The simple answer is that CIL 1-500 used AAR-design underframes but mainly of welded construction rather than riveted. This underframe design was used by Pullman-Standard for their immediate postwar AAR box cars as they transitioned in 1945-1947 from riveted construction to mostly welded construction. The same underframes were carried over to PS-1 box cars built in 1947-1948.

It wasn't until 1949 PS-1 production when the "PS-1 Underframe" came about. The earliest difference was a change from AAR pressed-channel crossties to 4" rolled Z "floor beams." A spotting feature for this change is a single rivet on the side sill and crosstie connection (the small "side sill tab" to the left of the door) used on the AAR design vs. no rivet (a welded connection) for the side sill and floor beam connection. Photos show CIL 1-500 had the riveted side sill and crosstie connection as well as 40' single-door PS-1 box cars built in 1947-1948.

The 1949-'51 Car Builders Cyclopedia has drawings and a photo of the early PS-1 underframe. Compare to P-S drawings of Southern's 1947-built AAR 40' box cars and 1948-built PS-1 box cars published by George (Ike) Eichelberger in the outstanding Southern Railway Historical Association book on Southern 40' box cars.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Re: PFE Express Reefer

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Thanks for the additional insight. I thought I saw a rounded roof but obviously I was mistaken


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA