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Re: Interesting Freight Car

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Not lacking, most likely hidden by the cars in front. Note how tall it is compared to the CB&Q stock car it’s coupled to.





Thanks!
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Brian Ehni



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Date: Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 11:21 AM
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Subject: [STMFC] Interesting Freight Car





Here is a photo link from the Barriger Library:



https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12482153214/in/dateposted/



Use the arrow pointing down at the lower right corner to see a larger version of the photo.



This undated photo was taken on the Missouri Pacific.



Notice the distinctive car in the middle of the photo. This appears to be a car that was in captive service and didn't leave the MP. The car lacks initials and a road number but does have a sign that begins to read "For Exclusive Use..."



I'm sure some of you already know all about this or similar cars so please share what you know.



Thanks.



Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA





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Interesting Freight Car

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Here is a photo link from the Barriger Library:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12482153214/in/dateposted/

 

Use the arrow pointing down at the lower right corner to see a larger version of the photo.

 

This undated photo was taken on the Missouri Pacific.

 

Notice the distinctive car in the middle of the photo. This appears to be a car that was in captive service and didn't leave the MP. The car lacks initials and a road number but does have a sign that begins to read "For Exclusive Use..."

 

I'm sure some of you already know all about this or similar cars so please share what you know.

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: The new Tangent tank car

Bill Welch
 

Back in about the mid-1990's Martin Lofton built into the Naperville RPM event a panel discussion on a Saturday night focused on kit possibilities—sort of "what do people want?" discussion. I do not remember any of what was discussed except: Tank Cars, Tank Cars, Tank Cars and Conical Rivets. At the time the only finely detailed kit available in 1/87 scale was the Tichy kit and we are familiar with its limitations of usefulness. Richard H. was there either in the audience or on the panel and I am sure offered up some possibilities.

It does not seem like it was very long after this discussion—a year or so, maybe a little longer—that the InterMountain ACF Type 27 kit appeared and Sunshine's Type 27 8K Insulated Tank Car kit followed it. (For the life of me I cannot believe IM has still not cut a tool to do this tank!!!!). Then came the Proto 2000 ACF Type 21 kits, Sunshine X-3 kits, five (now seven) Southern Car & Foundry kits, one from Speedwitch, more Sunshine until today with Tangent, Resin Car Works, Broadway, Atlas and who know who and what may be around the corner.

While I am not saying that Saturday Night Panel is responsible for the wealth of possibilities we have now, but certainly a "seed was planted" and Richard was cultivating the soil educating us and manufacturers. Now it is Ted, Ed, and Dave that continue work.

Bill Welch

Re: Decal source

frograbbit602
 

Jared you might try
Scales Model Supplies
458 No. Lexington Pkwy, St. Paul, MN

Their phone number:  651-646-7781

They have a decent supply of older decals.

Lester Breuer

Re: Decal source

hubert mask
 

Des plaines hobbies
Des plaines Illinois

Hubert Mask
Mask Island Decals Inc


On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:03 AM, Jared Harper harperandbrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Does anyone know of a hobby shop that might carry a deep selection of Microscale decals and who might have some decal sets that Microscale says are "out of stock?"

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

Decal source

Jared Harper
 

Does anyone know of a hobby shop that might carry a deep selection of Microscale decals and who might have some decal sets that Microscale says are "out of stock?"

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

Re: The new Tangent tank car

al_brown03
 

Agreed.

A string of steam-era tank cars has as much variety (if not more) as steam-era boxcars, which have drawn much more comment. Tank cars have different gallonages, numbers of compartments, sizes and numbers and spacings of domes ... dome platforms or lack thereof ... and that's before we get to underframe details.

Therefore: there's lots of fun in tank-car modelling.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Re: The new Tangent tank car

Kemal Mumcu
 

Mostly a reader on this forum. Forgot to sign.

It's amazing the variety that tank cars came in.

Colin M

Re: The new Tangent tank car

Tony Thompson
 

Not sure who wrote this, since it wasn't signed:

Curiously, the two Roma cars in Tangent's prototype photo are slightly different. The length of the jacketing courses varies between the two cars and yet their car numbers are only 4 numbers different. I assume both these cars are from the same batch but maybe not.
Incidentally, Tangent nailed the correct car number (4584) to their ho model. Perhaps Tangent could offer the other jacket variation some time eh? :)_,_._,___


         Tangent offers both car numbers in the photo, GATX 4584 and 4588.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: The new Tangent tank car

Kemal Mumcu
 

Curiously, the two Roma cars in Tangent's prototype photo are slightly different. The length of the jacketing courses varies between the two cars and yet their car numbers are only 4 numbers different. I assume both these cars are from the same batch but maybe not.

Incidentally, Tangent nailed the correct car number (4584) to their ho model. Perhaps Tangent could offer the other jacket variation some time eh? :)

Re: And the Very First Pullman PS1 was. . .

Ed Hawkins
 

speedwitchmedia@... [STMFC] wrote:

Ed (or others),

I haven't seen it asked and, unfortunately, I wasn't able to make Ed's clinic (tough thing trying to run a business at these meets!) Did the Monon cars have PS-1 underframes? I assume yes in order to be considered PS-1 design cars.
Cheers,
Ted Culotta
Ted,
The simple answer is that CIL 1-500 used AAR-design underframes but mainly of welded construction rather than riveted. This underframe design was used by Pullman-Standard for their immediate postwar AAR box cars as they transitioned in 1945-1947 from riveted construction to mostly welded construction. The same underframes were carried over to PS-1 box cars built in 1947-1948.

It wasn't until 1949 PS-1 production when the "PS-1 Underframe" came about. The earliest difference was a change from AAR pressed-channel crossties to 4" rolled Z "floor beams." A spotting feature for this change is a single rivet on the side sill and crosstie connection (the small "side sill tab" to the left of the door) used on the AAR design vs. no rivet (a welded connection) for the side sill and floor beam connection. Photos show CIL 1-500 had the riveted side sill and crosstie connection as well as 40' single-door PS-1 box cars built in 1947-1948.

The 1949-'51 Car Builders Cyclopedia has drawings and a photo of the early PS-1 underframe. Compare to P-S drawings of Southern's 1947-built AAR 40' box cars and 1948-built PS-1 box cars published by George (Ike) Eichelberger in the outstanding Southern Railway Historical Association book on Southern 40' box cars.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Re: PFE Express Reefer

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Thanks for the additional insight. I thought I saw a rounded roof but obviously I was mistaken


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: PFE Express Reefer

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

 
This undated photo was taken on the Katy at an unknown location. The car in this poor quality photo appears to be a PFE express refrigerator car.

     I concur with others, this is definitely a freight reefer.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: PFE Express Reefer

Jack Mullen
 

Bob, this appears to be an ordinary freight reefer. Peaked roof, freight trucks, horizontal brake wheel above roofline. Paint looks very grimy but seems to be the standard PFE freight scheme with metal medallion.

Jack Mullen

Re: PFE Express Reefer

Charles Morrill
 

That is a PFE reefer, but not the 50’ express reefer.  Those appear to be freight type trucks under the reefer and no heralds were applied to PFE express reefers as far as I know.  As that is a large city A&P warehouse, that might help locate where on the Katy this is.
 
Charlie
 

From: thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 11:56 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] PFE Express Reefer
 


Here is a photo link from the Barriger Library:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12469195405/in/dateposted/

 

Use the arrow pointing down at the lower right corner to see a larger version of the photo.

 

This undated photo was taken on the Katy at an unknown location. The car in this poor quality photo appears to be a PFE express refrigerator car.

 

Any additional comments?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

PFE Express Reefer

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Here is a photo link from the Barriger Library:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12469195405/in/dateposted/

 

Use the arrow pointing down at the lower right corner to see a larger version of the photo.

 

This undated photo was taken on the Katy at an unknown location. The car in this poor quality photo appears to be a PFE express refrigerator car.

 

Any additional comments?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: And the Very First Pullman PS1 was. . .

Ed Hawkins
 


On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:30 AM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Bill wrote: “Also what needs to be done to represent the early cars with no stampings on the end panels of the roof and no impressions on the very top of the ends?”
 
I’ve actually did some studying on this when I was doing a CNW riveted car. Straight end ladders and three points of contact for the right end grab are a couple things modelers miss. Although, when I was staring and comparing photos in a friends PS-1 book the end grabs seem to vary between the three and four point grabs for a point of time – If memory serves.
 
I didn’t know about the welded roofs (CGW 93000). Now I need to pickup one of those old McKeen cars at one of this falls train shows. 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Clark & Bill,
To my knowledge all HO-scale PS-1 models offered thus far have the set of 6 pressed right trapezoids at the peak of the ends. The McKean model had them, and combined with a PS-1 riveted roof represented cars built in 1949. I used this model in some Railmodel Journal articles (March, May, August, October 1993). 

To my knowledge, the PS-1 welded roof used on some of the early PS-1s built from 6-47 to 3-48 has not been offered to date in HO scale. The 3-point mount end grabs were used on production PS-1 box/auto cars built from 1947 through 1949 that including CNW auto cars built 11-49. The change to 4-point mounts applied to 1950 production & later.

Please advise if you find any PS-1 box cars to the contrary.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Re: "PS-0" was Re: And the Very First Pullman PS1 was. . .

S. Busch
 


Dear jt,
 
There is one photo of the 84000 series PM boxcars in "C&O for Progress" paint residing in the on-line archives data base of the C&O Historical Society.  It is photo # COHS - 20870.  It is car #284046, originally PM #84046
 
Here is a link to it::
 
 
Regards --
 
Steve Busch
Duncan, SC
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 9:44 AM
Subject: [STMFC] "PS-0" was Re: And the Very First Pullman PS1 was. . .

 

That's a sharp, in progress model Bill!

I was not able to attend the RPM (I am assuming this presentation was in St. Louis?), but this got me wondering about a couple of things:

I'm building an early P-S welded boxcar, Pere Marquette series 84000-84099 as shown on page 121 of the Million/Paton PM freight car book. This book's single builder photo is the only photo I know of these cars. They were acquired 01/1940, so I am assuming they were eventually painted in a C&O scheme, though no one at that society knows anything about these cars (and the PM society hasn't responded). Their 18 panel sides, early P-S type end and radial roof all combined is a neat departure among boxcars. Anyone here know of any in service photos of these PM/C&O cars?

My second wondering is, RP Cyc is ending publication?

Thanks!

jt burke
Marion, OH
 

Re: And the Very First Pullman PS1 was. . .

Clark Propst
 

Bill wrote: “Also what needs to be done to represent the early cars with no stampings on the end panels of the roof and no impressions on the very top of the ends?”
 
I’ve actually did some studying on this when I was doing a CNW riveted car. Straight end ladders and three points of contact for the right end grab are a couple things modelers miss. Although, when I was staring and comparing photos in a friends PS-1 book the end grabs seem to vary between the three and four point grabs for a point of time – If memory serves.
 
I didn’t know about the welded roofs (CGW 93000). Now I need to pickup one of those old McKeen cars at one of this falls train shows. 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Re: And the Very First Pullman PS1 was. . .

Ted Culotta
 

Ed (or others),

I haven't seen it asked and, unfortunately, I wasn't able to make Ed's clinic (tough thing trying to run a business at these meets!) Did the Monon cars have PS-1 underframes? I assume yes in order to be considered PS-1 design cars. 

Cheers,
Ted Culotta