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Re: General Steel Casting's: 42'; 53'6"; 60' Flat Car Questions

Bill Welch
 

Thank you Brian, helpful perhaps for knowing at least some of the owners but this does not give built dates.

Bill Welch

Re: General Steel Casting's: 42'; 53'6"; 60' Flat Car Questions: RailPub.com bites the dust?

Bill Welch
 

Yes Ben I made a mistake.

Bill Welch

Re: Presence of Canadian Cars

Bruce Smith
 

​Armand,


These numbers are useless out of context.  Please go ahead and post the totality of the data you have to the FILES section instead of doling out piecemeal numbers and then we can parse out the information that is useful to us. One train for one month is not a fleet survey.  It could be that this was the only train handling CN and NYC cars for example...


Regards

Bruce 

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of Armand Premo arm.p.prem@... [STMFC]
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 6:12 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Presence of Canadian Cars
 


In December of 1950 the following number of box cars were on Rutland Train # 9: NYC193 ,CN 125 PRR 9, AT SF,65,Milw and CNW 40 each CPR,39  lesser numbers for the balance   of the train,. The Rutland had 29 .If interested, I'll have numbers for your favorite road(s)  ..Armand Premo


Re: General Steel Casting's: 42'; 53'6"; 60' Flat Car Questions

Jack Mullen
 

Bill,
Are you perhaps confusing Railpub with Trainlife.com?
The former sells out-of-network mags, and the site you li.nked works as intended.
Trainlife is the site with full-on scans of MRG, RMJ, et al. The site is still active but much of the original content is still MIA since the big crash.

Jack Mullen

Re: General Steel Casting's: 42'; 53'6"; 60' Flat Car Questions

John Hile
 

Bill,

Good to see you too.

Try here for online versions: http://original.trainlife.com/magazines/model-train-magazine-index

-John Hile

Re: Praise from the Collinsville Il RPM

golden1014
 

Thanks for the kind comments, Doug.  Sounds like an interesting clinic and we can give you a forum next year if its ready.  Wish I could've sat down and spent more time with you guys.

We're going to expand on the "theme" idea next year and I think we're going to do the grain industry.  More to follow on that later.  There are a ton of steam era freight car topics we can cover within that topic so don't just think Tangent models and Centerflows.

Speaking of Tangent the new tank cars are fantastic.  I brought home four models (about all I could fit in the suitcase) and two of them were new Tangent tanks.  They're like Frosted Flakes.  They're great!

Hope you had fun and if you guys have some critiques or comments so I can make the meet better, let me know at Golden1014@....

John Golden
Albersbach, Germany

Re: Praise from the Collinsville Il RPM

golden1014
 

Hi Clark,

Thanks!  It was great to see you but as the Chief Troubleshooter and Errand Boy I didn't get to spend too much time with anybody.

I like your display and thought it was cool that you brought your entire locomotive roster.  I got pics.

There were a lot of steam era cars on display although there were displays missing from guys like Jack Spencer and, well...me.  

I thought we had a pretty good clinic selection.  I was finally able to convince my partners to go to two clinic tracks and it paid off.  It wasn't that hard either.  We had a cost factor to that, because we had to buy/borrow equipment for both rooms (laptops, projectors, hardware, etc.).

Next year we're going to expand the "theme" idea.  We're thinking "The Grain Industry" but that would include a lot of 40-footers, steam era wood elevators, and small engines that run elevators, and other stuff.  It's a bigger topic that I realize.

John Golden
Albersbach, Germany


Re: General Steel Casting's: 42'; 53'6"; 60' Flat Car Questions: RailPub.com bites the dust?

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Welch wrote:
"Friends, I just tried www.railpub.com in an attempt to access these magazine issues online and it looks like it is no longer possible to view them online. Trying to access them takes me to Kalmbach Pub. where after registering I was able to only view contents of each issue but not their content."

Bill, I'm confused by your comment - Paul's a seller. He'll sell you the magazines (for a little longer - he's retiring and selling down his inventory) and his catalogs are online in PDF, but he never hosted scans of content on his website. Don't you mean Trainlife?


Ben Hom

Re: General Steel Casting's: 42'; 53'6"; 60' Flat Car Questions

Brian Carlson
 

Bill. Regarding the Tangent 60 foot cars go to their website and look at the sold out tab it will show you all the road names they did.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jun 26, 2017, at 6:24 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Having been "asleep at the wheel" regarding models of General Steel Casting (GSC) flat cars I am trying to get myself up to speed on the various prototypes.


42-Foot

When I arrived home from the C'ville RPM I was greeted by an Exactrail UP 42-foot GSC in the "as-delivered" stenciling I scored from eBay at a very fair price. I have only recently become aware of this model and it is sold out Exactrail. In asking around I found that the GM&O 70500-70749 series are also 42-foot GSC cars. I am wondering if there were other RR owners of this prototype? The model itself is very nicely done with sharp printing and what I would call the Oxide Red paint that I associate with the UP looks very good. The "wood" decking is done in some material I do not recognize as wood—very thin masonite maybe?—and will be replaced with the AMB kit.


60-foot

In looking around I see that Tangent did a 1954 built ATSF 60-foot car—now also sold out except for parts. I have not shopped around yet except did not see any on eBay. Curious if there were other RR's that owned this length GSC flatcar?


53' 6"

I think this was the most common length. Sometime in the 1990's Walthers had this car tooled in Europe and I bought two undecs and purchased two AMB deck kits also. They are pretty well done I think and the cast-on grab irons and Sill Steps were no big deal to remove and replace w/metal. I immediately built one as a Wabash car, saving the second to build as a GM&O bulkhead flat as pictured in a Car Builders CYC since the Walthers kit comes will the Bulkhead structures to build and AMB has the wood parts. Purchase of the Exactrail model caused me to pull this kit out and look at it and since then I have been on the hunt for more GM&O photos. A friend sent me one photo and I purchased another at C'ville. I especially want to get the Bulkheads modeled correctly as they are the reason for building the model. These cars are in the 740xx series I believe but now I realize these may not have existed by my October 1955 modeling date as there is no entry for these in my July 1955 ORER. I need three levels of help here.


1.) Does this series appear in the October 1955 ORER? If not when do they appear—I am willing to cheat a little (Ed Hawkins outed me as "fictionalist" at C'ville during his PS1 presentation because of my camouflaged 1957 built Columbus & Greenville PS1)

2.) Curious who other owners would have been, particularly the Bulkhead versions. I cannot remember if there have been articles about these cars in the hobby press—have there been?

3.) I would appreciate having more photos of the GM&O cars and/or cars with the distinctive GSC bulkheads to better model the bulkheads. Please use the email address below to let me know about photo sources if you know of any. I cannot find the photocopy I had from the Car Builder CYC of the GM&O car, obviously form an edition after 1953. If someone can find this and scan it, I would be appreciative. (fgexbill at tampabay.rr.com)


Thanks for listening and reading

Bill Welch

Re: General Steel Casting's: 42'; 53'6"; 60' Flat Car Questions: RailPub.com bites the dust?

Bill Welch
 

Thank you John. Really good to see you this weekend.

Friends, I just tried www.railpub.com in an attempt to access these magazine issues online and it looks like it is no longer possible to view them online. Trying to access them takes me to Kalmbach Pub. where after registering I was able to only view contents of each issue but not their content.
 
Bill Welch

Reboxx products

Hugh Guillaume
 

I have a close friend who is a Reboxx dealer.  He and I are collectors of HO and O brass models.  He has told me that Reboxx is no longer producing any of the products used for the storage and shipping of brass models.  Many of the boxes and foam insert sets are sold out.  Based on that fact, it is highly likely that the Reboxx wheels are no longer in production.  I will ask him to verify that one way or the other.  Hugh T Guillaume

Re: The new Tangent tank car

charles slater
 

NO, they used Dun Edwards tank cars.

Charlie


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From: STMFC@... on behalf of Andy Jackson lajrmdlr@... [STMFC]
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 3:59 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: The new Tangent tank car
 
 

Were any of these types tank cars used for shipping paint? Reason for asking Dunn Edwards had a place on the LAJ Ry that received paint in white tank cars but no RR ID for the tank cars is given.
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA


Re: The new Tangent tank car

 

Were any of these types tank cars used for shipping paint? Reason for asking Dunn Edwards had a place on the LAJ Ry that received paint in white tank cars but no RR ID for the tank cars is given.
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA


Re: General Steel Casting's: 42'; 53'6"; 60' Flat Car Questions

John Hile
 

Hello Bill,

Re: your item #2...

John Riddell reviewed the Walthers 53'-6" kit in the Feb 1993 RMC, and gave the following references:
1) An article including a roster and photos, Dec 1992 Railmodel Journal
2) Wabash cars in TOFC service, Oct 1987 Model Railroading
3) Bulkhead versions, Aug 1989 Model Railroading

John Hile
Blacksburg VA

General Steel Casting's: 42'; 53'6"; 60' Flat Car Questions

Bill Welch
 

Having been "asleep at the wheel" regarding models of General Steel Casting (GSC) flat cars I am trying to get myself up to speed on the various prototypes.


42-Foot

When I arrived home from the C'ville RPM I was greeted by an Exactrail UP 42-foot GSC in the "as-delivered" stenciling I scored from eBay at a very fair price. I have only recently become aware of this model and it is sold out Exactrail. In asking around I found that the GM&O 70500-70749 series are also 42-foot GSC cars. I am wondering if there were other RR owners of this prototype? The model itself is very nicely done with sharp printing and what I would call the Oxide Red paint that I associate with the UP looks very good. The "wood" decking is done in some material I do not recognize as wood—very thin masonite maybe?—and will be replaced with the AMB kit.


60-foot

In looking around I see that Tangent did a 1954 built ATSF 60-foot car—now also sold out except for parts. I have not shopped around yet except did not see any on eBay. Curious if there were other RR's that owned this length GSC flatcar?


53' 6"

I think this was the most common length. Sometime in the 1990's Walthers had this car tooled in Europe and I bought two undecs and purchased two AMB deck kits also. They are pretty well done I think and the cast-on grab irons and Sill Steps were no big deal to remove and replace w/metal. I immediately built one as a Wabash car, saving the second to build as a GM&O bulkhead flat as pictured in a Car Builders CYC since the Walthers kit comes will the Bulkhead structures to build and AMB has the wood parts. Purchase of the Exactrail model caused me to pull this kit out and look at it and since then I have been on the hunt for more GM&O photos. A friend sent me one photo and I purchased another at C'ville. I especially want to get the Bulkheads modeled correctly as they are the reason for building the model. These cars are in the 740xx series I believe but now I realize these may not have existed by my October 1955 modeling date as there is no entry for these in my July 1955 ORER. I need three levels of help here.


1.) Does this series appear in the October 1955 ORER? If not when do they appear—I am willing to cheat a little (Ed Hawkins outed me as "fictionalist" at C'ville during his PS1 presentation because of my camouflaged 1957 built Columbus & Greenville PS1)

2.) Curious who other owners would have been, particularly the Bulkhead versions. I cannot remember if there have been articles about these cars in the hobby press—have there been?

3.) I would appreciate having more photos of the GM&O cars and/or cars with the distinctive GSC bulkheads to better model the bulkheads. Please use the email address below to let me know about photo sources if you know of any. I cannot find the photocopy I had from the Car Builder CYC of the GM&O car, obviously form an edition after 1953. If someone can find this and scan it, I would be appreciative. (fgexbill at tampabay.rr.com)


Thanks for listening and reading

Bill Welch

Re: The new Tangent tank car

Dave Parker
 

Brian:

If this article is to be taken literally, the answer would be "everywhere":



My take is that they were very big in LPG and Nat Gas.  Not so sure about if and when the WRNX fleet became very large (as described); it was only 512 cars in my 1945 ORE, and 166 in my 1930.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


On Monday, June 26, 2017 1:48 PM, "Brian Carlson prrk41361@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
I was trying to research the reach of the Warren cars last night in my library with little luck. Any help on timeframe and geographical distribution would be appreciated. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jun 26, 2017, at 4:14 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 
For steam-era modelers, there was a major new model released at the St. Louis RPM this last weekend, an insulated tank car from Tangent. It is 8000-gallon size and is on their previously developed Type 17 General American underframe. I bought two of the cars, and have written a review, with several photos, for my blog. If you're interested, here is the link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-new-tangent-insulated-tank-car.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history



Re: The new Tangent tank car

James E Kubanick
 

During the '50s, I often spotted Warren cars traveling the PRR mainline through Pittsburgh. I cannot state their origin nor destination, however.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV


On Monday, June 26, 2017 4:48 PM, "Brian Carlson prrk41361@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
I was trying to research the reach of the Warren cars last night in my library with little luck. Any help on timeframe and geographical distribution would be appreciated. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jun 26, 2017, at 4:14 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 
For steam-era modelers, there was a major new model released at the St. Louis RPM this last weekend, an insulated tank car from Tangent. It is 8000-gallon size and is on their previously developed Type 17 General American underframe. I bought two of the cars, and have written a review, with several photos, for my blog. If you're interested, here is the link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-new-tangent-insulated-tank-car.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history



Re: The new Tangent tank car

Brian Carlson
 

I was trying to research the reach of the Warren cars last night in my library with little luck. Any help on timeframe and geographical distribution would be appreciated. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jun 26, 2017, at 4:14 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

For steam-era modelers, there was a major new model released at the St. Louis RPM this last weekend, an insulated tank car from Tangent. It is 8000-gallon size and is on their previously developed Type 17 General American underframe. I bought two of the cars, and have written a review, with several photos, for my blog. If you're interested, here is the link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-new-tangent-insulated-tank-car.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Re: Reboxx wheelsets

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

On 6/26/2017 1:57 PM, Jared Harper harperandbrown@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
I have tried twice to contact Reboxx to purchase some wheelsets but I  have received no response.  What's going on there and can I get code 88 36" wheelsets to fit my CV 6-wheel pullman trucks from another source?


Jared,

Can't answer for Reboxx, but you could try The Original Whistle Stop, as they might have what you need in stock. You will need to know the axle length.

Spen Kellogg

Re: distance between ladder rungs and car sides

Dave Parker
 

According to the Safety Appliance Standards in my 1931 Cyc, the absolute minimum clearance for all ladder rungs and grabs was 2 inches, with 2.5 being "preferable". 

Not to say some cars might have had greater clearances, but that seems to be the standard in the middle of the steam era.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA



On Monday, June 26, 2017 1:06 PM, "ed_mines@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
anyone ever measure it?

it's got to be al least 4 scale inches (.046" for HO) to accommodate the instep of the climber.

grab irons could be closer. I've been using a .030" spacer for HO which is about 2.6 actual inches.

ed mines