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Re: USRA Hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 

Lloyd, I have THREE books on C&O freight cars and have never seen a photograph of one of those USRA 70 ton cars in any era! I have one of those kits too - too terrified to try building it. :-)

Tim O'Connor

On 12/11/2018 2:34 PM, lloydkeyser@gmail.com wrote:
I have finished building three of Westerfields USRA three bay hoppers #2001. I have had these kits for 30 years and finally got them built. They were the old brittle resin kits and were the hardest kits I have put together. They are ready for decaling. All I have to go by is the picture in the instructions. Does any one have a photo of one I could refere to for 1954?
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: LNE 7001 - 7200

Brian Carlson
 

Thanks to all those who sent photos on and off list. I received several photos of the cars. 3 photos seem to be the most popular since I received them from multiple folks

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 10:54 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] LNE 7001 - 7200

 

Does anyone have a photo of a LNE 7001-7200 series boxcar? I realize Bob’s Photo has one. But I won’t see Bob until Cocoa and I need the photo for Cocoa.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 


Re: Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

Nelson Moyer
 

NC doesn’t have the infrastructure to handle snow, nor do NC drivers know how to drive in it. I lived in Alaska from 1953 to 1959. We had  a March 1, 1954 blizzard blow through which deposited over three feet of snow in ten hours during the night. The next morning our car parked in the driveway was completely covered by a drift. School was canceled because the roads were closed. The next day we had dug out, the road we’re open, and the school buses ran on schedule. That was the only day of school I missed due to weather in those six years. And yes, the airport was also open the next day.

Nelson Moyer

On Dec 13, 2018, at 8:19 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

That’s really kind of funny. The guy from Buffalo attends and the one from North Carolina gets snowed in.

 

Wish I could be there for the meet. Have fun.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 6:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

 

Let's hope that Craig Zeni does not get snowed in again and finally gets to present his Resinating Clinic. VERY excited and anticipating Brian Carlson's "Rust Belt Boxcars 1950, 1957.

Bill Welch


Re: Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

Bill Welch
 

Maybe they will post photos and talk about their builds . . .

Bill Welch


Re: Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

Brian Carlson
 

Charlotte NC had more snow this week than Buffalo. :). Hopefully everyone stayed inside and built their steam era freight cars.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Dec 13, 2018, at 9:18 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

That’s really kind of funny. The guy from Buffalo attends and the one from North Carolina gets snowed in.

 

Wish I could be there for the meet. Have fun.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 6:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

 

Let's hope that Craig Zeni does not get snowed in again and finally gets to present his Resinating Clinic. VERY excited and anticipating Brian Carlson's "Rust Belt Boxcars 1950, 1957.

Bill Welch


Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

Andy Carlson
 

Jimi Hendricks opened once for The Monkeys. The teeny boppers crowd was not impressed with J.H. at all! 50 years later, every one now probably brags about it.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Thursday, December 13, 2018, 6:14:50 PM PST, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:


Let me tell you about all the times the opener blew away the headliner... :-)

Pierre Oliver


Re: Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

Eric Hansmann
 

That’s really kind of funny. The guy from Buffalo attends and the one from North Carolina gets snowed in.

 

Wish I could be there for the meet. Have fun.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 6:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

 

Let's hope that Craig Zeni does not get snowed in again and finally gets to present his Resinating Clinic. VERY excited and anticipating Brian Carlson's "Rust Belt Boxcars 1950, 1957.

Bill Welch


Re: Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

Pierre Oliver
 

Let me tell you about all the times the opener blew away the headliner... :-)


On Dec 13, 2018, at 9:09 PM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Thanks Bill. No pressure on me now.  Lol. 
I’ve only been working on this forever as time allows.  

I see I’m the opening act for Bruce Smith Friday.  Hats like the local cover band opening for the national touring act.  <grin>

Brian J. Carlson 

On Dec 13, 2018, at 7:24 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Let's hope that Craig Zeni does not get snowed in again and finally gets to present his Resinating Clinic. VERY excited and anticipating Brian Carlson's "Rust Belt Boxcars 1950, 1957.

Bill Welch


Re: Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

Brian Carlson
 

Thanks Bill. No pressure on me now.  Lol. 
I’ve only been working on this forever as time allows.  

I see I’m the opening act for Bruce Smith Friday.  Hats like the local cover band opening for the national touring act.  <grin>

Brian J. Carlson 

On Dec 13, 2018, at 7:24 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Let's hope that Craig Zeni does not get snowed in again and finally gets to present his Resinating Clinic. VERY excited and anticipating Brian Carlson's "Rust Belt Boxcars 1950, 1957.

Bill Welch


Re: USRA Hoppers

Larry Smith
 

Lloyd

Try the C&O Hopper book by Al Kresse. As to the paint scheme, if the cars went through the paint shop after 1948, they would have had the C&O for Progress herald on them. Now the bad news.  Most if not all C&O USRA hoppers, both two and three bay were being scrapped by 1954 and the railroad had a major shortage of hopper cars.

Larry Smith


Re: USRA Hoppers

Lloyd Keyser
 

I did a poor job of asking for what I need. The USRA cars I built are the rebuilds with three hoppers and are the C&O cars.  I hope that helps for a photo for 1954


Re: Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

Although my memory is not it used to be, this seems to the best list of clinic subjects yet, with my attention drawn to almost all of them. I say this having attend each and every one of Prototype Rails (18th or 19th?).

A great strength of this gold standard Meet is how much care and judgement has always been and is still being expended to the selecting and choosing clinic subjects, even including almost all those who are to be the presenters! (;-)

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864


M-26s and X-29s: door h/w

David Soderblom
 

The X-29s came in a variety of flavors, but, to be fair, they were like the “b" in subtle: different rivet patterns, patch panels, and so on. You have to know what to look for.

But seeing Bill Welch’s exceptional modeling (crisp and clean, not just added details) brought to mind a question I’ve had for a very long time, and it’s about boxcar doors and their hardware.

The M-26 doors were clearly suspended at their tops, with just guides at the bottom. Later steam-era doors have a lever at door bottom that rotates through about 90 degrees, suggestive of it lifting the door up to roll from the bottom. Is that true?

Either way, a boxcar door must have been 500 pounds or more. Did they slide with just bare metal-on metal? Were there rollers? If there were rollers, did anyone *ever* squirt some fresh grease in the bearings? I can’t see from photos where there might have been lube points, nor streaks from the lube.



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@stsci.edu


Re: Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

Bill Welch
 

Let's hope that Craig Zeni does not get snowed in again and finally gets to present his Resinating Clinic. VERY excited and anticipating Brian Carlson's "Rust Belt Boxcars 1950, 1957.

Bill Welch


Re: USRA Hoppers

Benjamin Hom
 

Lloyd Keyser asked:
"I  have finished building three of Westerfields USRA three bay hoppers #2001. I  have had these kits for 30 years and finally got them built. They were the old brittle resin kits and were the hardest kits I have put together. They are ready for decaling. All I have to go by is the picture in the instructions. Does any one have a photo of one I could refer to for 1954?"

1954?  Yeah, about that...

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, especially after you went through the trouble of building these kits, but these cars had their original center hoppers replaced with a third "sawtooth" hopper as they cycled through the shops.  By 1954, there would likely be few of these cars with the original center hopper.

Here's one as built; Westerfield does offer the decals separately if you want to go this route:

On the plus side, I know there's a very vocal group of 1920s and 30s modelers who would love to take these off your hands.


Ben Hom


Re: BAR 2903

James Babcock
 

I believe it is one of early insulated box cars.
Jim

On ‎Saturday‎, ‎December‎ ‎1‎, ‎2018‎ ‎05‎:‎55‎:‎43‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EST, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Bob,


Definitely not a refrigerator car. The latitudinal running boards indicates that ;)  It might be a boxcar or an RB.


The State of Maine cars had a blue top stripe, white middle band and red lower band. You may appreciate a slight tonal difference between the top and bottom bands. The sill looks like it is black. The lettering differs from most State of Maine cars in that the bottom line is usually "PRODUCTS" and the middle band lettering differs as well.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] BAR 2903


A photo from the BAR Facebook group.

Caption: "BAR reefer #2903 ex BAR #10113 at Millinocket May 20, 1951. I believe this rebuild was done in the fall of 1950. Wooden sided, stem winder in red, white and blue and lettered 'State of Maine Potatoes'. From the collection of Barney Laing."

I honestly can't tell if this is a reefer or a plug door boxcar. I also don't see three different colors on the car side.

One person commented only two BAR reefers appeared in this color scheme.

Does anyone know more about this car?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
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USRA Hoppers

Lloyd Keyser
 

I  have finished building three of Westerfields USRA three bay hoppers #2001. I  have had these kits for 30 years and finally got them built. They were the old brittle resin kits and were the hardest kits I have put together. They are ready for decaling. All I  have to go by is the picture in the instructions. Does any one have a photo of one I could refere to for 1954?


Re: Prototype Rails Dining Recommendations updates?

Bill Welch
 

Reminder EVERYBODY I did ask you to send these massages to me at MY EMAIL Account, NOT HERE

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Bill Welch


Re: Prototype Rails Dining Recommendations updates?

m repka
 

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Re: Modeling a B&O M-26D boxcar

O Fenton Wells
 

Excellent Bill, truly excellent 
Fenton Wells


On Dec 13, 2018, at 3:29 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

As we know the Pennsy built thousands of their X29 design and with few exceptions like the late cars with Dreadnaught ends they are identical. Personally I find building two or more identical models to be boring. With the X29 different doors and styles and locations for the doorstops can create some variety. For variety however one can look to the Baltimore & Ohio’s M-26 class of cars that offers six different versions that were also built in the thousands although not in the numbers of the X29. Granted the differences are not dramatic but still I can count five different door type, horizontal and vertical brake arrangements, Duryea and two other underframe arrangements, and different truck type create enough variety to keep my attention.

The model here will be B&O #274971 built in October 1929 utilizing the Red Caboose RC-7003 (molds now owned by InterMountain). Photo #1 captures the right side of the car while #2 is a close-up of the various door area details that distinguish this particular car. Tichy’s “Boxcar Door Hardware” set #3070 provides the “claws” used as door guides/supports—two sets are needed. In this arrangement the doors had a small rib along the bottom of the door and I used .010 x .020 styrene to create this. Archer rivets will be added later. Flattened .010-wire is used for the handles on the doors after the molded on pieces were carefully removed. Tichy .020 rivets are used for the attachment bolts. Note that the upper door track has been carefully shortened. The doorstops are from the Red Caboose kit. Note that the molded-on paired bolt/rivet heads under the door have been peeled off and relocated to match the cross bearers for the Duryea underframe.

A-Line Type “A” sill step parts (Photo #3) were annealed in a flame and then had the two corners squared up while strips of 0.005-styrene were used to make the mounting tabs. A fillet of CA fills in the gap between the metal step and the styrene. Once that is cured liquid Testers is applied to help melt the styrene. The next day the excess was carved away and sanded to give the impression that the styrene and metal are one part. Harvested Athearn boxcar rivets finish the effect. With the Kadee Bracket Grabs firmly in place a new Single Edge Razor Blade will be used to carefully remove the flash.

At some point Red Caboose (Photo #4) cut the tooling for the B&O’s signature seven-rung side ladders/six-rung end ladders. The B&O used lengths of steel bar to attach their ladders and I have glued this in place along with attaching bolts. I have also replaced the molded on rungs with Plastruct’s 0.0010-styrene rod except for the very bottom rung of the side ladders. After the ladders are glued onto the model this rung will be clipped off and a Drop Grab Iron inserted into the holes already drilled into the Ladder Stiles.

The “B” end of this M-26D has some interesting details I think. I scratch built the signature “Tatum” brake step with bits of dimensional styrene. I think the way the Retainer’s pipe cuts sharply to the right on the end is interesting: To make this I use .010-wire which a little oversize but much easier to handle. Flattened .010-wire is used to make the two pipe brackets (Photos #5,6). The B&O used what I call Type 2 Bracket Grabs on the bottom of the ends. They are characterized by having the brackets rotated 90°. The parts seen in Photo #7 are the kit parts converted to brass (by Valley Brass). I did a lousy job with the Drill template for the Bracket grab. I am going to try to pry it off, fill the holes and re-drill for a straighter install. The Brake Gear will eventually have a Kadee Ajax wheel attached. Photo #7 shows the ladder installed on the “A” end and how it looks with the steel bars and bolts used to secure it. That bracket grab demonstrates I can get them straight sometimes.

Speedwitch makes a lovely kit for the M-26 Duryea underframe and Photos #9–12 show my interpretation of how to build it. I used the 0.010-styrene rod for the pipe from the AB Valve to the brake cylinder here because it is so flexible and it made the bends much easier. I run hot and cold regarding the Train Line and did not install it this model because I did not think it would be visible so the pipe from the Dirt Collector simply terminates to nowhereville.

Photo #13 shows the scratch built “Tatum Patent” Route Car Holders that will eventually be attached to the side of the car to the left of the doors. These were basically a steel frame into which the tack board would slide.

Thanks to a friend I know that the Running Boards were for the M-26D class were 42-feet 10-inches long and I plan to build a wood running board system using my favored Mt. Albert strip wood for this model. The M-26D class rode on Andrews trucks.

Hopefully I will follow soon with my Wheeling Lake Erie and Nickel Plate builds.
Bill Welch

<_1 B_O M_27D side view.JPG>
<_2 B_O M_27D door area details.JPG>
<_11 B_O M_26D w_Speedwitch Duryea U_F.JPG>
<_12 B_O M_26D w_Speedwitch Duryea U_F.JPG>
<_13 Tatum Patent B_O Route Card Holders.JPG>
<_3 B_O M_27D left end sill step, Type ! braket grabs, bolster flange.JPG>
<_4 B_O M_27D _left_ side ladders, _right_ end ladder with attachement brackets.JPG>
<_5 B_O M_27D _B_ end Tatum brake step straight on.JPG>
<_6 B_O M_27D _B_ end Tatum brake step oblique view.JPG>
<_7 B_O M_27D Type 2 braket grabs.JPG>
<_8 B_O M_27D _A_ end with ladder inplace attachment plates.JPG>
<_9 B_O M_26D w_Speedwitch Duryea U_F.JPG>
<_10 B_O M_26D w_Speedwitch Duryea U_F.JPG>

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