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Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Benjamin Hom
 

Eric Hansmann wrote:
"As far as true USRA assigned hoppers, only four road names are correct; B&O, C&O, NYC, PRR. The Pennsy assigned theirs to the Long Island so I’m uncertain if any wore the Circle Keystone or later PRR lettering."

They did.  LIRR 5200-5299 renumbered to PRR 220000-220299.  Photos of PRR 220152 and 220098 in CK in Teichmoeller's Pennsylvania Railroad Steel Open Hopper Cars, page 140 and 142.


Ben Hom


Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Todd Horton
 

There’s a few published photos of  C of Ga hoppers in Canada.  Did it happen often? Probably not but it did happen 


On Sep 9, 2018, at 6:50 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


The distance from the Ohio River to Detroit, say, is about 300 miles, while
it is about 800 miles from the Ohio River (Cincinnati) to New England. That plus
the idea that it's all bituminous coal down there, not anthracite, would seem to
argue against frequent deliveries to New England of coal off the L&N or NC&StL.
But the occasional wandering hopper, I can believe that...

Tim O'Connor




I have no idea about NC&StL hoppers in New England but I know L&N hoppers regularly took Appalachian mined coal to Canada.

Ya'll Roads Rule!

Bill Welch

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Eric Hansmann
 

As far as true USRA assigned hoppers, only four road names are correct; B&O, C&O, NYC, PRR. The Pennsy assigned theirs to the Long Island so I’m uncertain if any wore the Circle Keystone or later PRR lettering. Here’s a link to the original USRA freight car assignments. 

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/usra-freight-car-assignments/


Some of those roads may have had very similar cars (WM) or clones that were built after USRA control. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On Sep 8, 2018, at 5:15 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

There are several on eBay. I did not try to count the Foobies: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=MTH+USRA+hopper&_sacat=0

Bill Welch


PASSING COMMENTARY

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I was alarmed, concerned and disappointed this past week to find Martin Lofton’s widow being “Bashed” on this list. Martin lefrt us about four years ago and Sunshinbe shut down.
Companies in our hobby and inb business in general shut down on a regular basis and that is the last you hear from them. It is rather unrealistic to expect responses from a company
that shut it’s doors years ago.. This list has been a real asset to my modeling efforts. I hate to see us go on a tangent where a simple request for decal help turns into a
whining session tarnishing the great efforts and contributions of the Lofton family. Let’s concentrate on improving our modeling efforts through posts such a Bill Welch’s post on his
great detailing efforts and get away from the Petty S—-.

There was also a comment thjat martins kits were crude. Whart quality freight car kits did we have prior to Martins Sunshine models. Westgerfieldds were great, however, many
were from a time frame prior to the major intgerests of gthis group. MArtin produced countless (I’m sure Jim Hayes could give us a figure) kits of prototypes that we would not have
without him. I always marveled at the feeding frenzy when Martin opened the doors to his sales room at his Naperville meets. People flocked in with cash in hand and left with an
armful of models that would probably never be built. Were they buying mediocracy?

Again let’s get real guys:

Bill Pardie


Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Armand Premo
 

For the record,186 CN cars passed through Alburgh,Vt on train # 9 during the month of November 1950.Armand Premo

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 2:15 PM, Armand Premo <arm.p.prem@...> wrote:
While NC&StL boxcars were not uncommon i n Northern New England , NC&StL Hopper # 47672 was on Rutland Train # 9 in Alburgh,Vermont on November 15 th 1950 along with 8  CN cars.Armand Premo

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
I have no idea about NC&StL hoppers in New England but I know L&N hoppers regularly took Appalachian mined coal to Canada.

Ya'll Roads Rule!

Bill Welch




Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Tim O'Connor
 


The distance from the Ohio River to Detroit, say, is about 300 miles, while
it is about 800 miles from the Ohio River (Cincinnati) to New England. That plus
the idea that it's all bituminous coal down there, not anthracite, would seem to
argue against frequent deliveries to New England of coal off the L&N or NC&StL.
But the occasional wandering hopper, I can believe that...

Tim O'Connor




I have no idea about NC&StL hoppers in New England but I know L&N hoppers regularly took Appalachian mined coal to Canada.

Ya'll Roads Rule!

Bill Welch

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Modeling Those WLE SS cars w/7-ft doors

al_brown03
 

Anyone know where the main crossbearers were located? I can think of at least two possible locations ("wide" and "narrow", by analogy with door-and-a-half designs).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Modeling Those WLE SS cars w/7-ft doors

lrkdbn
 

Dear group
Attached please find a W&LE diagram page for this car,FWIW
LR King


Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Armand Premo
 

While NC&StL boxcars were not uncommon i n Northern New England , NC&StL Hopper # 47672 was on Rutland Train # 9 in Alburgh,Vermont on November 15 th 1950 along with 8  CN cars.Armand Premo

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
I have no idea about NC&StL hoppers in New England but I know L&N hoppers regularly took Appalachian mined coal to Canada.

Ya'll Roads Rule!

Bill Welch



Re: Communicating Protective Service Instructions

Ken Adams
 

Protective services were specified on the movement waybill. (I was a revenue waybill clerk in the PFE Auditor's office in San Francisco, 1970-73.) Those instructions were used for verifying and applying  the charges PFE would collect/settle with the originating carrier SP or UP from the revenue bill (a version of the movement waybill with freight and protective service charges.)


Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Bill Welch
 

I have no idea about NC&StL hoppers in New England but I know L&N hoppers regularly took Appalachian mined coal to Canada.

Ya'll Roads Rule!

Bill Welch


Steam Era Layouts Open During Central Coast RR Festival (Oct. 4-7)

Bob Chaparro
 

First, my thanks to the Moderator for allowing this post.

Several prototypical steam era layouts will be open to visitors during the annual Central Coast Railroad Festival layout tour in San Luis Obispo and northern Santa Barbara Counties, CA, on October 4 - 7 (Thursday-Sunday).

These layouts are described below.

Overall thirty model railroads will be featured on this tour. The schedule, locations and descriptions of the participating railroads, along with three area maps, are on the Central Coast Railroad Website on this link:

https://www.ccrrf.com/2018/MRSC-Layout-Tour-58.pdf

(Scroll to the top of the page.)

If you have any questions specifically about the layout tour, please contact me OFF LIST at chiefbobbb@... [chiefbobbb At verizon DOT net].

Thank you.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Model Railroads of Southern California

https://groups.io/g/ModelRailroadsofSoCalif

Central Coast Railroad Festival Website: https://www.ccrrf.com/

Festival Questions: Events@... [Events AT SLORRM DOT com]

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Andrew Merriam – This model railroad is based upon the Southern Pacific’s Coast Line in the early 1950s when both steam and black widow diesel plied the rails.  The area modeled covers Santa Margarita to Guadalupe including the Cuesta Grade horseshoe curve and the Stenner Creek Trestle. One branch line includes the Santa Maria Valley to the Betteravia sugar beet refinery. A second branch includes the award-winning double track 1912 Bascule Bridge to the port of San Pedro. The mainline totals about 340 feet with super elevated curves and hand-laid track where visible.  Digitrax DCC is used to control sound equipped locomotives.  Scenery is about eighty-five percent complete.  Operations include yard switching, several peddler freights, four through freights and six through passenger trains.  Scenic highlights include the Stenner Creek Trestle (74 inches long) and Horseshoe Curve, Serrano to Cuesta Summit, San Luis Obispo Freight House and passenger Depot, Oceano and Guadalupe and the six foot long bascule bridge module to the Port of Los Angeles at San Pedro.

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Bill Obermeyer – This layout blends Southern Pacific and Santa Fe operations in the mid-1950s, plus a little before and a little after. Motive power consists of Southern Pacific Black Widow diesels and Cab Forwards and Santa Fe steam and zebra-striped diesels.

The layout is in a separately room that is 24 feet x 17 feet. The layout is a dog bone that drops down to two levels. The top section starts at a High Sierra lumber mill scene with three reverse, staging, passing loops and then goes through bridges to reach Glendale, California. The line then descends down to a dessert section that resembles Monument Valley, Arizona with passing sidings in between. After going through the dessert it emerges onto a bottom level and makes it way to the bottom three reversing loops that feature a wharf scene where lumber can be off-loaded to ocean going ships.

Minimum radius is thirty-two inches and all track is Micro Engineering Code 83. Except for two curved Walters turnouts all the rest are Micro Engineering Number 7s. Layout is DCC with NCE controls. The room's backdrop features twelve long sections from BackDrop Warehouse that, with some difficulty, all match and blend together over a span of sixty feet. 

The layout was constructed by Bill with one exception: Fellow local NMRA member Rick Fulkerson was a tremendous help with his vast knowledge of electronics and he made custom control boards for automatic turnout controls on the six reverse loops.  Without Rick’s help this would have never been done!

Layout is approximately fifty percent done.

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Jeff Parker/Central Valley Model Works – This layout was built by the late Jack Parker, owner of Central Valley Model Works. It is now operated by his son, Jeff, and Jeff’s wife, Heather. It represents the Northern Pacific in Montana in the era from the early 1940s to the early 1960s.  The often photographed scenes depict Logan, Montana.  While considerable "artistic license" has been taken with the actual arrangement of Logan, the layout allows the simulation of the actual operation of Northern Pacific trains going to and from St. Paul and Tacoma.  The layout room is a generous 17’ x 50’ plus an extra eight-foot extension on the east end for return loops.  The track is, of course, Central Valley CVT.  That product was designed and developed for and then used on this layout.  Jack’s good friend and fellow N.P. model railroader David Coster helped design the layout and also did all of the wiring.  The layout features a great roster of detailed brass steam locomotives and these all are tuned and weighted to pull scale length trains.  Brief tours of the Central Valley Model Works facility will be given as time permits.

Photo website: http://www.cvmw.com/imagecvmw/color_photos/index.htm

Central Valley website: http://www.cvmw.com/

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Skip Purper – Skip is modeling the Sisquoc Branch of the narrow gauge Pacific Coast Railway in On30.  Here is a link to a map of the Pacific Coast Railway showing the Sisquoc Branch: http://www.ccrrf.com/assets/PCRy-map.jpg

The layout is a “modular” L-shaped 20-foot x 2-foot that resides more or less permanently in his workshop-garage. Skip has scratch-built or kitbashed all of the structures and painted his own backdrops. The layout includes a scratch-built model of the Sisquoc Depot, the gravel pits and a portion of the Palmer oil racks. 

The railroad is powered by a simple Prodigy Express DCC unit and motive power is by Bachmann-Spectrum and Broadway Limited. Future plans include equipping the locos with operating front couplers and extending the turnaround ‘Y’ to facilitate operations.

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San Luis Obispo Railroad Museum Operating on the site of the restored 1894 Southern Pacific Freight Depot, the San Luis Obispo Railroad Museum is preserving the railroad history of California and the Central Coast by collecting, restoring, displaying and operating historic railroad equipment.  

The Central Coast Model Railroad occupies a 1,500 square foot space in the Museum.  The goal is to portray the railroad history of the California Central Coast in miniature and operating scale trains in their historic context.

In concept the HO scale model represents various aspects of railroad life in San Luis Obispo and northern Santa Barbara counties including the geographical area, industries served, and train operations of the various railroads located there.  A double deck peninsula layout is utilized with realistic miniature recreations of up to sixteen historic local railroad scenes along the Central Coast. Major features include the Pacific Coast Railway pier at Avila, the town of San Luis Obispo as a railroad division point incorporating the roundhouse, water tanks the station and adjacent historic buildings, the Stenner Creek trestle and famous horseshoe curve. 

Operationally there are full-length Southern Pacific passenger trains including the colorful and renowned streamlined Daylight, the Lark and mail trains. Freight trains carry local produce, lumber, beets, oil and general merchandise. A maintenance of way trains also is included. The model mainline will be over five hundred feet long. Trains incorporate sound and radio control operations to present a realistic presentation of railroading along the Central Coast.

Currently the Pacific Coast Railway HOn3 model railroad includes Avila Beach and the Port Harford Pier areas. The major elements include Harford Pier (nearly 16 feet in length), a four-foot high painted backdrop of the harbor area and the town of Avila Beach in the early 1930s, including the award-winning wood truss bridge over San Luis Obispo Creek as featured on the cover of the September 2012 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman.

The Southern Pacific Coast Line in HO scale is a two-level layout that will ultimately have a mainline run of over five hundred lineal feet. Two hundred and forty feet of the lower level are now in operation. The Surf Depot area and the bridge crossing the Santa Ynez River are complete.  The Stenner Creek Trestle (eight actual feet in length) is built and being installed. Track is laid for the San Luis Obispo yard, which is eight tracks wide and thirty feet in length. Many of the historic structures are in place. Where possible all scenes modeled are based upon actual Southern Pacific track plans and 1950s era photographs.

Website:  http://www.slorrm.com/

 

Andrew Merriam


Bill Obermeyer

Jeff Parker/Central Valley Model Works

Skip Purper

San Luis Obispo Railroad Museum


Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

    Nice work as always, Bill, but it raises a prototype question on the travels of NC&StL hoppers.
In visiting with old friend and noted New Haven modeler Bill Aldrich last week such a hopper was 
found on his pike and had not been noticed before. This prompted a question as to how often, if 
ever, a NC&StL hopper was likely to be seen in New England. Bill advised that a coal dealer in 
Westerly, RI, where he lived for years before 1996, used to receive coal in such cars. So there is 
one instance and even that surprises me. Does anyone know of other appearances of NC&StL 
hoppers in New England, especially in northern New England?

Cordially, Don Valentine


Sold: More closeout prices for Tahoe Trucks

Andy Carlson
 




Thanks, this sale has been successful with new homes for the trucks.





Below trucks are Tahoe Model works truck pairs less wheel sets. Sold by the bag only.
TMW #007 Double Truss self-aligning ( 6 pairs)  ............................$15/bag
TMW #013 BARBER S2 (10 pairs)  .................................................$25/bag
TMW #014 40-ton ARA Scullion w lateral motion (8 pair) ...............$20/bag
TMW #004 Bettendorf Swing Motion Caboose trucks (4 pair) .......$10/bag
TMW #002 Dalmann 2-level w/ lateral motion (4 pairs)  ..................$10/bag

Not sold individually-sold by the whole bag of each part number.
Buyer to pay shipping of $7 for boxed Priority Mail.
Contact me off-list if interested at <midcentury (at) sbcglobal (dot) net>
<midcentury@...>

I accept checks and with a small fee, PayPal.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




Southern Freight Tariff Bureau "Perishable Tariff"—Trying to Find

Bill Welch
 

Periodically I like to let people know I am trying to locate examples of the "Perishable Tariff" published periodically by the Southern Freight Tariff Bureau. To clarify this is not the same tariff as the National Perishable Freight Committee's "Perishable Protective Tariff," examples of which I already have. Having checked through "World Cat," Library of Congress, and other online data bases, I am hoping some individual may have copies of this publication in their personal collection or perhaps there are copies in some local or regional library or archive not yet digitally connected.

Bill Welch


Communicating Protective Service Instructions

Bob Chaparro
 

In the era of the ice bunker refrigerator cars, how were the protective service instructions (refrigeration, ventilation and heating) for each car in a freight train communicated to the in-transit icing/reefer service facilities?

Was this information included on the waybills or was it communicated by telegraph and teletype?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Bill Welch
 

There are several on eBay. I did not try to count the Foobies: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=MTH+USRA+hopper&_sacat=0

Bill Welch


Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Dave Parker
 

Marty:

MTH does make a USRA twin, and you can read all about it here:

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2016/04/15/upgrading-plastic-mth-usra-hoppers/

As RTRs go, I think it's nicely done, especially if your application calls for a vertical-shaft brakewheel arrangement, rather than the Blackall lever that was so common on the original USRA cars.

For me, it represents a very useful option beyond the Tichy and Accurail products, especially since it has KD hardware (and MOL scale grabs) right out of the box.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Cancelled--special Red Caboose '37 AAR undec boc car kits.

Andy Carlson
 

Because of the lack of Intermountain's accepting my order, and also since they are not answering my emails anymore, I am cancelling the special run of the title box car kits. I am sorry to have wasted so many modelers', with whom I have great respect, time.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


More closeout prices for Tahoe Trucks

Andy Carlson
 

Below trucks are Tahoe Model works truck pairs less wheel sets. Sold by the bag only.
TMW #007 Double Truss self-aligning ( 6 pairs)  ............................$15/bag
TMW #013 BARBER S2 (10 pairs)  .................................................$25/bag
TMW #014 40-ton ARA Scullion w lateral motion (8 pair) ...............$20/bag
TMW #004 Bettendorf Swing Motion Caboose trucks (4 pair) .......$10/bag
TMW #002 Dalmann 2-level w/ lateral motion (4 pairs)  ..................$10/bag

Not sold individually-sold by the whole bag of each part number.
Buyer to pay shipping of $7 for boxed Priority Mail.
Contact me off-list if interested at <midcentury (at) sbcglobal (dot) net>
<midcentury@...>

I accept checks and with a small fee, PayPal.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

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