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New early P&R steel gondola model

Eric Hansmann
 

A new HO scale model is available for those focused on early 20th Century modeling. A Philadelphia & Reading GAc class steel gondola with drop doors is available as a 3D print through Shapeways. Bob McGlone offers decals and a coal load to finish the models. Details are in the latest post on my blog.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Bernd Schroeder
 

another choice for Gypsum roofwalks is available from Kadee since earlier this year...so far, i saw these roofwalks (in 4 colors, only 40', also for Morton) only at one vendor on ebay that might be associated somehow w Kadee , but he was willing to sell to Germany and they are definitely existing...I bought enough to correct the RTR cars from Kadee in my collection where necessary.
It is a detail that is easy to see, so worth the expenses (the removed Apex roofwalks will be used on other cars anyway) and effort.

Bernd Schroeder
Adelsdorf, Germany
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Am 18.12.19, 02:54 schrieb mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...>:

The Santa Fe boxcar book (Boxcars of the Santa Fe 1869-1953) sheds no light on the Bx-48 roofwalk manufacturer.  But I have on occasion used a plastic roofwalk made by Intermountain, which is in the 10' IH 6-panel boxcar and possibly in the PS-1.  This is intended to represent an expanded-metal (early Gypsum) roofwalk, and it actually has some texture to it.  It's thicker than an etched metal roofwalk, but it's beveled on the underside to make the thickness less obvious.

Ron Merrick

Brewery Locomotive ID

Doug Auburg
 

I grew up with this “locomotive” being a part of the everyday scenery in Vancouver.

 

As others have said, it was a Bulldog Mac.  For most of its life working as the switcher for the Lucky Larger Brewery in Vancouver, Washington it looked stock.  The story I’ve heard is that sometime in the ‘60’s students at the local community college (Clark College) decided it should look more like a steam loco and fabricated the sheet metal body shown in the picture.  The truck was routinely stored on the street outside the brewery, so was a common sight when driving by.  There was track in the street up the to brewery and the Mack was used to move box cars between the brewery and the SP&S (later BN) yard.

 

The truck disappeared when the brewery was closed.

 

Doug Auburg

Battle Ground WA

Re: MONON gon spiral end

Jeff Sankus
 



s hi

On Dec 16, 2019, at 7:10 PM, Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...> wrote:


Yes on the Monon decals.  Contact me off line at mswitzer@....

Mont Switzer 



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From: "Bill Keene via Groups.Io<main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MONON gon spiral end

Are decals available to model this car?

Thanks & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Dec 16, 2019, at 5:20 AM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:



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Jeff Sankus
Whitehouse Station, NJ
https://uvrmodel.blogspot.com/

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

mopacfirst
 

The Santa Fe boxcar book (Boxcars of the Santa Fe 1869-1953) sheds no light on the Bx-48 roofwalk manufacturer.  But I have on occasion used a plastic roofwalk made by Intermountain, which is in the 10' IH 6-panel boxcar and possibly in the PS-1.  This is intended to represent an expanded-metal (early Gypsum) roofwalk, and it actually has some texture to it.  It's thicker than an etched metal roofwalk, but it's beveled on the underside to make the thickness less obvious.

Ron Merrick

Re: Brewery Locomotive ID

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

Thank you to Charlie and Brian for the help. I had already tried a variation of the search Charlie suggested and didn't get good results. With his suggestion, I tried again with a different structure and got a site which answered the question: https://www.brewerygems.com/lucky.htm . It is indeed at the Lucky Lager brewery in Vancouver, Washington.

Brian is right in that the machine is a Mack, and of 1927 vintage. And I agree, it likely is an AC "Bulldog", though some other Macks also had chain drive (Models AP and FN were two). I had that part. And for our faithful Moderator/Sheriff, this thing batted around freight cars for many, many years. It even seems to have a coupler on its rear end.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 4:08 PM Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

Garth-

I googled “Lucky Vancouver Railroad Brewery” and it returned the Lucky Lager the first beer produced by the 1934  General Brewing Company in California which formed a strategic partnership with Coast Breweries in Vancouver Island, BC and other Canadian breweries.   It expanded in the 50’s and 60’s as Lucky Lager Brewing Company in Vancouver WA….which is likely the venue for the photo.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 1:48 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Brewery Locomotive ID

 

Friends,

 

Indulge me a bit here. This isn't strictly about freight cars, but I've spent hours trying to ID the attached photo of a 1927 Mack truck used as a switching locomotive I shot sometime in the 1960s. It was at a brewery in Oregon or Washington.

 

Any help would be appreciated.


Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

Re: Brewery Locomotive ID

Brian Rochon
 

Garth,

 

The photo appears to show chain drive on the truck.  Assuming the 1927 date is accurate, the cab and radiator indicate that this is probably an AC model Mack.

 

v/r

Brian Rochon

Silver Spring, MD

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 4:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Brewery Locomotive ID

 

Garth-

I googled “Lucky Vancouver Railroad Brewery” and it returned the Lucky Lager the first beer produced by the 1934  General Brewing Company in California which formed a strategic partnership with Coast Breweries in Vancouver Island, BC and other Canadian breweries.   It expanded in the 50’s and 60’s as Lucky Lager Brewing Company in Vancouver WA….which is likely the venue for the photo.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 1:48 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Brewery Locomotive ID

 

Friends,

 

Indulge me a bit here. This isn't strictly about freight cars, but I've spent hours trying to ID the attached photo of a 1927 Mack truck used as a switching locomotive I shot sometime in the 1960s. It was at a brewery in Oregon or Washington.

 

Any help would be appreciated.


Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

Re: Brewery Locomotive ID

Charlie Vlk
 

Garth-

I googled “Lucky Vancouver Railroad Brewery” and it returned the Lucky Lager the first beer produced by the 1934  General Brewing Company in California which formed a strategic partnership with Coast Breweries in Vancouver Island, BC and other Canadian breweries.   It expanded in the 50’s and 60’s as Lucky Lager Brewing Company in Vancouver WA….which is likely the venue for the photo.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 1:48 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Brewery Locomotive ID

 

Friends,

 

Indulge me a bit here. This isn't strictly about freight cars, but I've spent hours trying to ID the attached photo of a 1927 Mack truck used as a switching locomotive I shot sometime in the 1960s. It was at a brewery in Oregon or Washington.

 

Any help would be appreciated.


Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

Brewery Locomotive ID

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

Indulge me a bit here. This isn't strictly about freight cars, but I've spent hours trying to ID the attached photo of a 1927 Mack truck used as a switching locomotive I shot sometime in the 1960s. It was at a brewery in Oregon or Washington.

Any help would be appreciated.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Lester Breuer
 

Question on ATSF Bx -48 on the running board.  Ed Hawkins has U.S. Gypsum (expanded metal)  and Pierre in his kit 105.1 states Apex Tri-Lok.  Are both correct?  And, I do not know what the U.S. Gypsum expanded metal looks like. Does the term “expanded metal” give it a different shape than the open diamond pattern formed by stamping and stretching 12-guage steel which I believe is the same as the Plano Model Products #192 US Gypsum -Diamond pattern ( photo attached)?
Lester Breuer

Re: MONON gon spiral end

Bruce Smith
 

Rob,

Generally, you need to contact the designer and ask if they are willing to do that. I have had success doing that sort of thing with a couple of designers.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Dec 17, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Rob M. via Groups.Io <rule292@...> wrote:

Perhaps someone can school me - with Shapeways is it possible to order items upscaled?  I’d surely be interested in a set in quarter inch scale for the IM O scale gon. 


Rob Mondichak 


Re: MONON gon spiral end

Rob M.
 

Perhaps someone can school me - with Shapeways is it possible to order items upscaled?  I’d surely be interested in a set in quarter inch scale for the IM O scale gon. 


Rob Mondichak 

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Lester Breuer
 

It attached this time.
Lester Breuer

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Lester Breuer
 

The CB&T Shops Model has on the other side has the slogan in the attached photo.
Lester Breuer

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Tim O'Connor
 


and the other side


On 12/16/2019 8:13 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Tim O'Connor
 


I think the straight line map is correct for 1946. Ship & Travel came a little later?

Tim O'Connor


On 12/16/2019 6:44 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Hi Lester-

On the Steam Era Freight Car Web Site (different from this io group) Ed Hawkins has data for almost all post war AAR 40' box cars and has data for these cars, but I can say that the Santa Fe was one of three RRs which had 40' 10'6" IH 6' single door 12 riveted panel boxcars. Santa Fe, Denver & Rio Grande and the Great Northern. The Rio Grande had straight lower side sills (think "Cookie cutter"). The Santa Fe Bx-48? box cars had the one year only Youngstown "upside down" 6/6/5 improved Youngstown steel door, built in 1946 which this model has. For a 1946 car, 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends and rectangular Stanray roof are correct. Your car is remarkably close to being correct, though I can not say if the ATSF straight line map would be correct for this particular class.
Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Monday, December 16, 2019, 3:06:42 PM PST, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:


CB&T Shops produced the Limited Edition Car I purchased in the photo in 2013.  Ends and roof match the prototype photo in the 1946 Car Builder’s Cyc; however, side panels on model are six vs five on the prototype.  Doors also not correct.  My question not having any reference data on the Santa Fe.  Were any cars produced with the number of panels the model has?
Any info. on prototype  cars appreciated.  Thank You for your time and effort to respond in advance.
Lester Breuer


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Tim O'Connor
 


The model's prototype
Bx-48 had 12 panel riveted sides, but the panels closest
to the ends were WIDER than the other panels. So, no one has done a Bx-48 in plastic
in any scale. Shave off the rivets, and replace with Archers.

C&BT Shops produced 28 physically different permutations of the postwar 10'6" AAR
box cars - including 12 panel cars with same-sized panels. Many of the permutations
have no prototype at all. But for 12 panel 10'6" cars I think it's the only source in
HO scale. (Intermountain offers a 10'0" 12 panel body.)

Tim O'Connor


On 12/16/2019 6:06 PM, Lester Breuer wrote:
CB&T Shops produced the Limited Edition Car I purchased in the photo in 2013.  Ends and roof match the prototype photo in the 1946 Car Builder’s Cyc; however, side panels on model are six vs five on the prototype.  Doors also not correct.  My question not having any reference data on the Santa Fe.  Were any cars produced with the number of panels the model has?
Any info. on prototype  cars appreciated.  Thank You for your time and effort to respond in advance.
Lester Breuer

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Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Another "What do I do with this" quiz

Clark Propst
 

I received this link http://nakina.net/cn/cn5.html from Calvin Monaghan off the resin car list. I couldn't find any info pointing to a number series for the Accurail 4400 series cars.  Dennis Storzek remembers door and a half cars being rebuilt. Joe Binish sent me scans of article in Mainline Modeler by Stafford Swain. He talked about those rebuilds, but only mentioned wood door cars. 
I might just pick a small number series of rebuilt cars off the link and let someone with proof tell be I'm wrong  ;  ))
CW Propst  

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

John Barry
 

Bill,

The three foot Herald was standard, but a two foot version was used where a standard one would not fit between the riveted seams of steel cars or the bracing on single sheathed cars.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 3:16:50 AM GMT+1, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:


It is interesting that this particular car uses the small herald 

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Pierre Oliver
 

Actually

  • 105.1 Bx-48, 50, 51. Square panel roof, Apex Tri-lock R/B
  • 105.2 Bx-53, 60, 62. Diag panel roof, Apex Tri-lock R/B
  • 105.3 Bx-63. Diag panel roof, USG R/B
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 12/16/19 10:52 p.m., WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

Ooops!  Pierre's kit was a Bx44.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
Date: 12/16/19 4:49 PM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

It should be noted that Pierre Oliver produced a super kit for this car.  I don't know if he still has them in stock


Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA