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Re: Photo: R-50-1 (was PFE/WP Reefer)

Dick Harley
 


Nice find for the pre-WWII crowd, Tim.

I don't believe the March 1941 photo date, though.  The car is freshly painted, and that is definitely NOT a 1941 lettering scheme.
The scan is too low res to read the reweigh data - bummer.


Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA

Re: Photos: Railroad Yard At Ogden, Utah

mopacfirst
 

They're also seen in shot 4.

Ron Merrick

Re: Photos: Railroad Yard At Ogden, Utah

Bruce Smith
 

PFE (?) express reefers. Probably not 60'. They also probably actually have marking, that are just not visible due to film/light conditions. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Steve Wolcott <swolcott@...>
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 6:37 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Railroad Yard At Ogden, Utah
 
In shot #2, what are the cars in the foreground?  60' reefers with no markings?
Steve Wolcott

Re: NPDX 60235 circa 1924

rwitt_2000
 

A group of refrigerator cars with an interesting history.

We assume this photo was to document another incident of damage.

To me it looks like the bottom of the ice bunker has busted through the end in spite of the extra metal straps.

Bob Witt

Re: Keeley Cans; Was, Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Guy Wilber
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

“I wonder if they are in use? Neither in recently posted photos has the hoses rigged to drip on the journal boxes, leading me to suspect that this is their normal storage location, to be re-positioned wherever needed as the need arises.”

Your observation makes perfect sense, Dennis. The cans rode with the caboose and were transported by the crew should they be needed for an ailing car.

Thanks,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

STMFC - related clinics at Prototype Rails 2020

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Folks,

 

               We have a number of great STMFC-related clinics that are scheduled for Prototype Rails 2020 (January 9 – 11 in Cocoa Beach, FL).

 

We have the following freight-car clinics:

Barry: Shake & Take (tba)

Brown: Building a PRR X23b Boxcar

Culotta: How to Scratchbuild Freight Cars

Dahm: Building Resin Kits & Making Masters

Funaro: Mathieson Dry Ice Cars

Hadfield: New Arrowhead freight car (tba)

Martin: Modeling the ATSF Fe-26 Boxcar

Peacock: Box Car Parts and Fittings 1920's-50's.

Propst: Building a Granger Branch Freight Car Roster

Switzer: Freight Car Projects 9: NKP

Welch: L&N House Cars 1935-55

Welch: L&N Open-Top Cars 1935-55

 

That’s TWELVE HOURS of freight car clinics!  And as a bonus, there are tons of other great clinics.

 

See our website for clinic descriptions (you may have to click “refresh” on your browser):  www.prototyperails.com .

 

See you at the Beach!

 

-Jeff Aley

Clinic Chairman, PR’20

 

 

Re: Photos: Railroad Yard At Ogden, Utah

Steve Wolcott
 

In shot #2, what are the cars in the foreground?  60' reefers with no markings?
Steve Wolcott

Re: Intermountain GM&O reefer ?

mopacfirst
 

Found one other photo on line, on rr-picturearchives.  This one is NRC 19734, but the end is in shadow to the point I can tell the end must be a dreadnought of some sort (not Despatch or flat) but that's about it.  It could be a 3-4 or R+3-4 with no poling pockets.  It also appears to have a diagonal panel roof, but the roofwalk is just not discernable as to its type.  I wish I could look this thing up in the book, but it's 650 miles away right now.

The GM&OHS site gives more information about the model.

Ron Merrick

Keeley Cans; Was, Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Guy Wilber
 

Here's a link for the Patent of the "Keeley" can.


https://patents.google.com/patent/US1020188


Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada
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Re: Keeley Cans; Was, Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

I wonder if they are in use? Neither in recently posted photos has the hoses rigged to drip on the journal boxes, leading me to suspect that this is their normal storage location, to be re-positioned wherever needed as the need arises.

     I agree with Dennis that this is the storage or carrying location of the Keeley cans, but the hose could be rigged from there into the journal, so there was not another place they were put.
      Incidentally, my caboose book (Volume 2 of the series, _Southern Pacific Freight Cars_) has the SP drawing of a Keeley can, called a "journal box cooler," on page 157. 

Tony Thompson



Re: NPDX 60235 circa 1924

Ray Breyer
 

Hi Dennis, 

"Nickel Plate" reefers 60000-60399 held assorted "first names". Built as NKP 60000-60399 by MDT in 1922, the cars were pretty conventional MDT cars built between 1918 and 1924. The NKP almost immediately moved them to NPDX, their reefer leasing company. The cars kept their numbers, except for four cars assigned to express milk service (NKP 700, 701, 900, 901). Those cars got steam lines and green paint.

In 1932 the NKP folded NPDX and leased the cars to General American, which ran the cars as GARE 60000-60399, and later as GARX cars. The lease expired at the end of 1945, and the cars trickled back to the NKP between 1945 and 1948. The cars coming off lease were quickly patched back to NKP reporting marks to be sent home, and the NKP scrapped all of the cars by the end of 1948.

The NKPHTS had Accurail do a special run of the GARX cars last year, and I have "private stock" resin kits and decals for accurate NPDX and MDT cars. Some of the GARX cars are still available, but the future of the resin cars is up in the air (a few of them were on display at Lisle this year)

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Monday, December 2, 2019, 02:49:51 PM CST, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:


On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 05:11 AM, Brian Rochon wrote:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-02-19/X3418.jpg
Interesting car. I'm away from my reference material; could someone check if it is a nominal 36' car, please? I note the underframe, end sills, and striker casting / drawbar carrier are identical to the NYC designed items on the car that was the prototype for the Accurail 36' boxcar, in fact, the car could be kitbashed from our wood end 36' boxcar and our wood reefer sides. I know the NKP had identical boxcars to the NYC version, likely ordered by NYC for the Lake Erie & Western before they sold that road to the NKP. It would appear that these cars have the same origin, but I was unaware that the NYC had a reefer version of these cars.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Photo: PFE Reefer With Load Of Pecan Pieces

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

PFE Reefer With Load Of Pecan Pieces
This is link to a 1927 photo from the collection of the University of Utah:
The stenciling on the barrels appears to say they contain pecan pieces. The captions says the load is pecans.
In any case, this is another example of a non-perishable load shipped in a refrigerator car.

Doubtless the car is being used as an insulated box car, commonplace before the 1950s, when purpose-built cars of that type began to be built.

Tony Thompson



Re: NPDX 60235 circa 1924

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 05:11 AM, Brian Rochon wrote:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-02-19/X3418.jpg
Interesting car. I'm away from my reference material; could someone check if it is a nominal 36' car, please? I note the underframe, end sills, and striker casting / drawbar carrier are identical to the NYC designed items on the car that was the prototype for the Accurail 36' boxcar, in fact, the car could be kitbashed from our wood end 36' boxcar and our wood reefer sides. I know the NKP had identical boxcars to the NYC version, likely ordered by NYC for the Lake Erie & Western before they sold that road to the NKP. It would appear that these cars have the same origin, but I was unaware that the NYC had a reefer version of these cars.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Photo: PFE/WP Reefer

Tim O'Connor
 


And how about this PFE R-50-1 ?! Hubba hubba.
https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=1004047

:-)



On 12/1/2019 12:02 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: PFE/WP Reefer

This is link to a photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6tj05h8

Visible among the reefers is PFE 50092, one of the Western Pacific reefers. I believe there were fewer than 3,000 of these WP cars in the PFE fleet.

Bob Chaparro



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Keeley Cans; Was, Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:14 AM, Guy Wilber wrote:
I have several SP Caboose photos with the cans (in use) hung from the hooks,
I wonder if they are in use? Neither in recently posted photos has the hoses rigged to drip on the journal boxes, leading me to suspect that this is their normal storage location, to be re-positioned wherever needed as the need arises.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola With Load Of Mine Cars

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Webber wrote:

1923 is the year the sparrows came back - all passenger cars purchased to modernize & equip the WP were brought back to the D&RG, WP had to purchase new cars.  The same thing happened to an extent with freight, though WP kept a lot. 

     I have always understood that most of the D&RG freight cars used by WP at its beginning were returned in 1916, when they bought 1000 new box cars of their own.

Tony Thompson



CB&Q class FM-11 flat car 91248

Lester Breuer
 

I have finished  another resin kit I enjoyed building, a CB&Q class FM-11 steel fish belly side flat car I numbered 91248.  It is an excellent resin kit purchased from Jerry Hamsmith at Chicagoland RPM.  If you are interested, photos and writeup of the build including paint and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer

Re: Photo: Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Jack Mullen
 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 09:30 AM, Norm Buckhart wrote:
are these cans in the photo Keely Cans
Yes, they are.  Thanks for great photos to illustrate this topic.
Jack Mullen

Intermountain GM&O reefer ?

mopacfirst
 

Can anyone shed light on an Intermountain reefer custom-produced for the GM&O Historical Society?

This car is an NRC reefer with GM&O lettering, car number is 19578.  The model appears to be a standard R-40-23 with metal roofwalk, and the ends appear to be stock 3-3 as in the R-40-23 model.  I once did an MDT model of a similar car using stock ends but cutting and rearranging to produce a 3-4 end to match the prototype.  Other ends on cars built by MDT with sides similar to the R-40-23 had Despatch ends and plain flat sheet metal.  My MDT book is not with me, and I haven't found a close photo on line.

My question is, what ends did this prototype have, and any other details where this model might differ from the prototype?

Ron Merrick

Keeley Cans; Was, Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Guy Wilber
 

Norm wrote:

"are these cans in the photo Keely Cans? that you are referring to?" 

Norm.

Yes, those are Keeley cans.  I have seen the spelling that I used in my post, without the final "e", but after some of the recent discussion I believe that it is correctly spelled, "Keeley". 

I have several SP Caboose photos with the cans (in use) hung from the hooks, but have yet to see a photo of cans installed on a piece of rolling stock.  The hooks were on large numbers of SP cars as well as PFE reefers, so the use of Keeley Cans must have proven worthy of the installations.  

Thanks for sharing the photos.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada