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Re: Retainer valves

ron christensen
 

I have a clinic on brakes and this is a side note on retaining valves.
Hopefully the PDF works.
Ron Christensen


Re: 2017 Chicagoland RPM Mini-Kit

Bill Welch
 

As usual Dick, flawless modeling.

Bill Welch


Re: Toronto train show.

G.J. Irwin
 

Brian and all,

It's this Saturday and Sunday (29 and 30 September 2018) and it's been renamed the "Greater Toronto Train Show". 

I missed last year but attended in previous years, and I will be there Saturday morning. 

It's not really an RPM-type event but there have been some interesting layouts and displays in the past.   There are Canadian vendors that I generally don't see "south of the border."  Displays typically include some UK railroading. 

Rapido Trains is a major sponsor and I expect they will be there, so there can be questions about the progress of the forthcoming NP boxcar (STFMC content).  And I expect to make a stop at Credit Valley Hobbies in Mississagua on the way back.

Easiest way from Buffalo is QEW to the 403, 403 turns into 410.  I go all the way to the end, turn North onto Hurontario Street, then right onto Old School Road, then the venue is on the right, 12942 Heart Lake Road, Brampton ON.  There is frequently another event going on there as well, but I think we'll know which are the trains and which are the baby clothes!

https://www.torontotrainshow.com/

$1 off coupon available on the above site.  Exchange rate was about $1.30 Canadian to $1 US when I checked a couple of days ago, although Canadian dollar prices are generally higher than US prices so a calculator might be handy.

Cheers,
George Irwin
"Barely qualified to be an STMFC-er"


Re: 2017 Chicagoland RPM Mini-Kit

gtws00
 

Dick,
That is a great looking CGW mini-kit. Turned out very nice.
Thanks for sharing
George Toman


Re: 2017 Chicagoland RPM Mini-Kit

Paul Doggett
 

Dick 
That’s very nice I like the subtle weathered look.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 28 Sep 2018, at 13:55, Richard Scott <rlscott5709@...> wrote:

The attached photo shows my O-scale Chicago Great Western boxcar that I built from the 2017 Chicagoland RPM mini-kit.  Each attendee received a mini-kit in the scale of their choosing; the O-scale version consisted of resin castings for the unique corrugated ends and a decal sheet.  My model's body and roof are Intermountain parts that I bought at the show.  Its other components are from assorted makers and came from my parts stash.  I'm planning to display it at the 2018 Chicagoland event in a few weeks.

Dick Scott
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2017 Chicagoland RPM Mini-Kit

Richard Scott
 

The attached photo shows my O-scale Chicago Great Western boxcar that I built from the 2017 Chicagoland RPM mini-kit.  Each attendee received a mini-kit in the scale of their choosing; the O-scale version consisted of resin castings for the unique corrugated ends and a decal sheet.  My model's body and roof are Intermountain parts that I bought at the show.  Its other components are from assorted makers and came from my parts stash.  I'm planning to display it at the 2018 Chicagoland event in a few weeks.

Dick Scott


Re: Resinating at Chicagoland/Lisle 2018 RPM

Eric Hansmann
 

Less than a month away!

https://www.rpmconference.com/


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On September 28, 2018 at 6:38 AM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Since I am on the program I have seen the initial DRAFT of the 2018 Chicagoland program schedule and thought some people here would be interested to know that the Friends of the Freight Car Dinner Panel Discussion topic is "Past, Present, and Future of Resin Freight Car Models." This will start at 6:30 PM with author/modeler Steve Hile Moderating. Steve has recruited Ted Culotta, author/publisher/manufacturer/pattern maker; Aaron Gjermundson, builder/caster/pattern maker; Pierre Oliver, commercial builder/manufacturer; and myself, author/builder/pattern maker to reflect on the topic.

In my opinion Mike Skibbe and his Posse have taken this RPM to a new level of fun and excellence and the innovation of a Panel Discussion is just one example of their leadership. Although I have been thinking about what I will say initially, I am sure what I hear from the other panelists, Steve's questions and questions from the audience will make for an interesting and informative evening. I look forward to seeng you there.

Bill Welch




Resinating at Chicagoland/Lisle 2018 RPM

Bill Welch
 

Since I am on the program I have seen the initial DRAFT of the 2018 Chicagoland program schedule and thought some people here would be interested to know that the Friends of the Freight Car Dinner Panel Discussion topic is "Past, Present, and Future of Resin Freight Car Models." This will start at 6:30 PM with author/modeler Steve Hile Moderating. Steve has recruited Ted Culotta, author/publisher/manufacturer/pattern maker; Aaron Gjermundson, builder/caster/pattern maker; Pierre Oliver, commercial builder/manufacturer; and myself, author/builder/pattern maker to reflect on the topic.

In my opinion Mike Skibbe and his Posse have taken this RPM to a new level of fun and excellence and the innovation of a Panel Discussion is just one example of their leadership. Although I have been thinking about what I will say initially, I am sure what I hear from the other panelists, Steve's questions and questions from the audience will make for an interesting and informative evening. I look forward to seeng you there.

Bill Welch


Toronto train show.

Brian Carlson
 

Just heard about a Toronto train show this weekend in Brampton ON. I may head up Saturday from Buffalo. Does anyone know if there is an RPM component to it? Any STMFCers going?

Brian J. Carlson


Re: Retainer valves

Gary McMills
 

Hi Tim,

Thanks for the info. As of late, the freight cars that I have built I found I had to include the brake rigging. I have been using the NMRA diagrams from their website. If you look closely in my photo you can see where I placed the retainer next the air reservoir. On the Sn3 and Hon3 it was easy to place the retainer. On modern freight cars I had to use the NMRA diagrams and I was not 100% sure of its location,but I figured it had to be somewhere where the brakeman would have access to it. I been using a mixture of Cal Scale, Tichy ,and Yarmouth parts.

Gary McMills


 

On 2018-09-27 18:55, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Gary

The retainer line is a small diameter pipe from the AB valve with the
retainer on its end. Retainers can be mounted anywhere, but they need to
be easily accessible to train crews - and maybe they were mounted high up
on cars for security or safety reasons, I don't know.

But when low mounted brake wheels were introduced, new cars were built with
the retainers directly accessible under the sill (on box cars). I've also
seen retainers mounted low in the end cages of hopper cars.

Side mounted retainers are on only one side of the car. In the old days a
brakeman would walk the line of box cars (for example) and set the retainers
on a specific number of cars - according to whatever rules were in force, and
he carried a rod so he could reach up from the ground and set the retainer
(which has several positions) - and reset the retainer later, the same way.

Retainers became much less important with the introduction of dynamic brakes
but they're still needed in many places.

The old Cal-Scale (now Bowser) AB brake set included this diagram. There are
lots of other diagrams and images online.

Gary



Isn't the retainer located near where the triple valve located?

still a student,

Gary McMills

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Retainer valves

Tim O'Connor
 

Gary

The retainer line is a small diameter pipe from the AB valve with the
retainer on its end. Retainers can be mounted anywhere, but they need to
be easily accessible to train crews - and maybe they were mounted high up
on cars for security or safety reasons, I don't know.

But when low mounted brake wheels were introduced, new cars were built with
the retainers directly accessible under the sill (on box cars). I've also
seen retainers mounted low in the end cages of hopper cars.

Side mounted retainers are on only one side of the car. In the old days a
brakeman would walk the line of box cars (for example) and set the retainers
on a specific number of cars - according to whatever rules were in force, and
he carried a rod so he could reach up from the ground and set the retainer
(which has several positions) - and reset the retainer later, the same way.

Retainers became much less important with the introduction of dynamic brakes
but they're still needed in many places.

The old Cal-Scale (now Bowser) AB brake set included this diagram. There are
lots of other diagrams and images online.

Gary



Isn't the retainer located near where the triple valve located?

still a student,

Gary McMills

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Retainer valves

Tim O'Connor
 

Pierre

you mean like yourself? i didn't call you any names. in fact, I never have.

YOU could have expressed yourself much better than

  "SO where's the retainer..."

as if I were claiming there is a retainer on the end.

I just believed your claim that there was no retainer. My bad, I guess, in
your way of thinking.




You know, Tim, you could have very easily found a way to express that without coming across like an a**hat.
As it turns out I just found another photo that does show the retainer line, the photo I was first looking at is perfectly aligned to hide the retainer line behind the brake rod.

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

On 9/27/18 6:42 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Wow, Pierre, must you always misunderstand everything?

  "Were retainers done away with on the B end of boxcars in the later half of the '50s?"

The answer is NO

If you had asked "were SOME box cars built without retainers on their ends?"

Then the answer would be YES





So where's the  retainer in this image?

Attachments:

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Turnout design / was "wheels"

Richard
 

I went to the website to check it out. Does anyone else have a problem seeing all the words?  The deep blue (at least on my monitor) masks the black text, at least to my elderly eyes!

Richard Morris
Byrdstown, TN


Re: Retainer valves

Gary McMills
 

Isn't the retainer located near where the triple valve located?

still a student,

Gary McMills


 

On 2018-09-27 18:06, Pierre Oliver wrote:

You know, Tim, you could have very easily found a way to express that without coming across like an a**hat.
As it turns out I just found another photo that does show the retainer line, the photo I was first looking at is perfectly aligned to hide the retainer line behind the brake rod.

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 9/27/18 6:42 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Wow, Pierre, must you always misunderstand everything?

  "Were retainers done away with on the B end of boxcars in the later half of the '50s?"

The answer is NO

If you had asked "were SOME box cars built without retainers on their ends?"

Then the answer would be YES





So where's the  retainer in this image?

Attachments:

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Retainer valves

Pierre Oliver
 

You know, Tim, you could have very easily found a way to express that without coming across like an a**hat.
As it turns out I just found another photo that does show the retainer line, the photo I was first looking at is perfectly aligned to hide the retainer line behind the brake rod.

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 9/27/18 6:42 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


Wow, Pierre, must you always misunderstand everything?

  "Were retainers done away with on the B end of boxcars in the later half of the '50s?"

The answer is NO

If you had asked "were SOME box cars built without retainers on their ends?"

Then the answer would be YES





So where's the  retainer in this image?

Attachments:

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Retainer valves

Tim O'Connor
 


Wow, Pierre, must you always misunderstand everything?

  "Were retainers done away with on the B end of boxcars in the later half of the '50s?"

The answer is NO

If you had asked "were SOME box cars built without retainers on their ends?"

Then the answer would be YES





So where's the  retainer in this image?

Attachments:

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Ted Culotta's X29/ARA 1923 Steel Boxcar Modeling Handout—Trying to Find

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

An item not touched on in our X-29 discussion is the two part article by our own Ben How beginning in the August 2004 Mainline Modeler.  This series also featured great drawings


Bill Pardie


Good news, Fenton did find the 2002 Document I was looking for, seven pages not the three pages my poor memory thought. I am going to check with Ted about sharing it.

Bill Welch


Re: Retainer valves

Pierre Oliver
 

So where's the  retainer in this image?

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 9/27/18 4:39 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


Pierre, definitely NOT. But the retainers moved to the sides of the cars (new cars
and modernized cars) when running boards on house cars were eliminated in 1966.

Tim O'Connor



This may be slightly beyond the era of this group, but here goes.
I'm looking at a CNR 40' boxcar, built 1957.
I do not see a retainer valve or line on the B end of the car.
Were retainers done away with on the B end of boxcars in the later half of the '50s?

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Retainer valves

Tim O'Connor
 


Pierre, definitely NOT. But the retainers moved to the sides of the cars (new cars
and modernized cars) when running boards on house cars were eliminated in 1966.

Tim O'Connor



This may be slightly beyond the era of this group, but here goes.
I'm looking at a CNR 40' boxcar, built 1957.
I do not see a retainer valve or line on the B end of the car.
Were retainers done away with on the B end of boxcars in the later half of the '50s?

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Retainer valves

Pierre Oliver
 

This may be slightly beyond the era of this group, but here goes.
I'm looking at a CNR 40' boxcar, built 1957.
I do not see a retainer valve or line on the B end of the car.
Were retainers done away with on the B end of boxcars in the later half of the '50s?

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

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