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Re: CN bcr

Clark Propst
 

Marty McGuirk
Nov 30   

Clark, 
 
Here’s a prototype photo that shows definitively the exact color CN boxcars should be painted....

https://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2014/11/would-real-cn-red-11-please-stand-up.html?m=1

I knew there was a number for the color, but as your photo shows, why worry about it. I'll stick with my redder, oranger, browner question  ;  ))

Not having a photo I do have a couple more questions, The drawing in the instructions does not show any placard boards. Not on the ends nor the steel corrugated door. Should I put some on? Also what trucks should be under the car in the late 40s -50? Just with or without spring planks will suffice.
Thanks again to all!
CW Propst

Re: Photo: PFE/WP Reefer

Bill Welch
 

Remind me please, which WP group were delivered with Hutchins roofs?

Bill Welch

Re: Photo: PFE/WP Reefer

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bob,

There originally were 2,775 WP/PFE refrigerators. The original group of 2,000 were ordered by WP in 1923, just before they joined the PFE. In order to match the proportion of WP's contribution to the whole PFE fleet, 775 more cars were added in 1924. The as-delivered WP cars are discussed in Chapter 5 of of Tony's PFE book, with mention of their later rebuilding/reconditioning scattered through other chapters (check his excellent index). 

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 12:02 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: PFE/WP Reefer

This is link to a photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6tj05h8

Visible among the reefers is PFE 50092, one of the Western Pacific reefers. I believe there were fewer than 3,000 of these WP cars in the PFE fleet.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

2 of 3 sold: two IntermountainR-40-10 decorated PFE reefer kits

Andy Carlson
 

The two R-40-10 double herald reefers are sold. The single herald "Overland" as delivered reefer remains available.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson  Ojai CA

On Saturday, November 30, 2019, 6:01:49 PM PST, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


If accuracy is wanted, I have 2 Intermountain HO Pacific Fruit Express reefer kits for R-40-10 steel ice bunker refrigerator cars.

IM # 41702P-35 PFE Double Herald car with Union Pacific colored herald matched with a B&W SP medallion. Blt 8-36, repainted and reweighed in Roseville 7-18-46. In the black hardware scheme. PFE #42664. $25 with free shipping included to the US

IM # 41702P-37  Same as above, PFE # 42215 $25, with free shipping included to the US

Also one IM # 41701-10; blt 8-36 with Overland single UP herald on one side, SP B&W on opposite side. As delivered 1936 scheme.  PFE 43724 $20 with free shipping included to the US

I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I accept PayPal. For info, contact me off-list @ <midcentury@...>
Thanks,   -Andy Carlson  Ojai CA

Re: Photo: LA & SL/UCR Gondolas 21812 & 21100

mel perry
 

bob;tj
nice set of scans, thanks for sharing
mel perry0

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 9:15 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: LA & SL/UCR Gondolas 21812 & 21100

These are links to 1921 photos from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6tb1kfn

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s67h1x46

UCR stands for Utah Coal Route.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: LA & SL/UCR Gondolas 21812 & 21100

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: LA & SL/UCR Gondolas 21812 & 21100

These are links to 1921 photos from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6tb1kfn

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s67h1x46

UCR stands for Utah Coal Route.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: PFE Reefers

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PFE Reefers

This is link to a 1928 photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6xd39nd

Not a remarkable or good quality photo but it does show the PFE practice at the time of putting the SP herald on the side with the B end to the right and the UP herald on the side with the B end to the left.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photos: NADX/Utah Poultry Producers Cooperative Association Reefers

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: NADX/Utah Poultry Producers Cooperative Association Reefers

These are links to photos from collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s61k1ksd

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s65b2bds

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s62253rt

The photos are from 1928 and the cars are very new. The build date on one car is 7-28.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: Cudahy Reefer

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Cudahy Reefer

This is link to a 1930 photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6kd26dj

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: Tank Cars At Refinery

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Tank Cars At Refinery

This is link to a 1920 photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=539304&page=235&facet_format_t=%22image%2Fjpeg%22&q=railroad

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: CTH&SE Gondola With Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: CTH&SE Gondola With Load

This is link to a photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6fv0w55

Photo taken in 1926.

The gondola belongs to the Chicago, Terre Haute & Southeastern Railway. The Chicago, Terre Haute & Southeastern Railway Company of Illinois was incorporated in 1910. The principal purpose of the CTH&SE was to bring southern Indiana coal to the Chicago area. The CTH&SE was leased in 1921 to the Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific Railroad for 999 years. The lease lasted only 27 years as The Milwaukee Road completely absorbed the CTH&SE in 1948.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Tank Car & Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Tank Car & Boxcar

This is link to a photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

Tank Car

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6hx1n4h

Caption: "Salt Lake, Garfield and Western tank car #105 in Salt Lake City, November, 1960. This 8,000 gallon tank car was painted in the railroad's orange and gray paint scheme."

This tank car lacks the expected stenciling so perhaps it was kept on-line.

Boxcar

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6np2cvt

I think the lettering was added in the darkroom.

The Salt Lake Garfield & Western Railway is a privately held Class II short line railroad providing rail services in Salt Lake City. It has been in continual operations since 1891.

History Link: http://slgwrailway.com/history/

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: Early 1900s Frisco Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Early 1900s Frisco Boxcar

This is link to a photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6hm5hw4

The photo was taken in 1907.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Chalk Marks On Boxcar

This is link to a photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s66138c3

Does anyone have an educated guess (as opposed to a SWAG) as to what the series of chalk marks along the upper side of the car mean?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: PFE/WP Reefer

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PFE/WP Reefer

This is link to a photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6tj05h8

Visible among the reefers is PFE 50092, one of the Western Pacific reefers. I believe there were fewer than 3,000 of these WP cars in the PFE fleet.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: More ATSF Sk-O Questions

Allan Smith
 

Frank Ellington's book Stock Cars of the Santa Fe Railway, has a drawing of class Sk-O on page 77 and a cross-section drawing on page 78, there are also photos of Sk-O 68000 side and end on page 24.. Also the 2nd quarter 2012 Warbonnet has an article by Jim Barnes about the Sk-M&O Stock cars with more photos of same.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Thursday, November 28, 2019, 10:34:00 AM PST, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


First, thanks to all those who responded to the air reservoir question. The next issue I’ve run into is the type of grab iron on the bottom of the end grab ladder. Both the end drawing and photo of ATSF 68000 on page 111 of Stephen Sandifer’s book show straight grab irons for all five rungs of the grab ladder, however the photo of ATSF 68093 on the same page shows a drop grab iron for the bottom rung of the end grab ladder (four straight grab irons and one drop grab iron). Westerfield instruction state that the bottom end ladder grab iron is a drop grab iron, probably based upon the photo of ATSF 68093. Which type grab iron was most common for the bottom rung of the end grab ladder?

 

The only information on brake component layout is on page 132 of Sandifer’s book, and that drawing is for a Sk-3 car. The only Sk-O photos I have show only the end and right side of the car, so it’s not easy to tell exactly where the control valve and brake cylinder were located, or where the train line penetrated the center sill. However, a photo of the brake components and train line on ATSF  Sk-S 68970 appears on page 119 of the Sandifer book. While the location of the air reservoir, control valve, and brake cylinder are similar for both the Sk-S and the Sk-3, the location of the train line penetration of the center sill is different.  Is it safe to assume that the Sk-O and Sk-S shared the same brake component locations and train line penetration point?

 

Anyone remotely interested in ATSF stock cars, general livestock traffic and practices, or modeling stock cars will love Sandifer’s book. For modelers, the close-up color photos of remaining cars provides details on the brake staff ratchet and pawl, uncoupling levers, door hinges, convertible deck hardware, and many other details that you won’t fine adequately covered in kit instructions.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

Offered two IntermountainR-40-10 decorated PFE reefer kits

Andy Carlson
 

If accuracy is wanted, I have 2 Intermountain HO Pacific Fruit Express reefer kits for R-40-10 steel ice bunker refrigerator cars.

IM # 41702P-35 PFE Double Herald car with Union Pacific colored herald matched with a B&W SP medallion. Blt 8-36, repainted and reweighed in Roseville 7-18-46. In the black hardware scheme. PFE #42664. $25 with free shipping included to the US

IM # 41702P-37  Same as above, PFE # 42215 $25, with free shipping included to the US

Also one IM # 41701-10; blt 8-36 with Overland single UP herald on one side, SP B&W on opposite side. As delivered 1936 scheme.  PFE 43724 $20 with free shipping included to the US

I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I accept PayPal. For info, contact me off-list @ <midcentury@...>
Thanks,   -Andy Carlson  Ojai CA

Re: CN bcr

Pierre Oliver
 

Yeah!
That’s the one lol

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


On Nov 30, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Clark, 

Here’s a prototype photo that shows definitively the exact color CN boxcars should be painted....


On Nov 30, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Walter Cox via Groups.Io <WaltGCox@...> wrote:


To my eye the CN single sheath box cars seem to be a lighter (dustier?) shade of boxcar re  with the ones spending more time in the east showing a light blackish tint,( probably due to dirtier air).
Walt

In a message dated 11/29/2019 9:27:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, fgexbill@... writes:

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 08:57 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The CN historical society once sold correct color paint.

http://www.cnrha.ca/node/966

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

Modelflex still does, it is called CN #11 :I think, reddish

Bill Welch


Re: CN bcr

Marty McGuirk
 

Clark, 

Here’s a prototype photo that shows definitively the exact color CN boxcars should be painted....


On Nov 30, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Walter Cox via Groups.Io <WaltGCox@...> wrote:


To my eye the CN single sheath box cars seem to be a lighter (dustier?) shade of boxcar re  with the ones spending more time in the east showing a light blackish tint,( probably due to dirtier air).
Walt

In a message dated 11/29/2019 9:27:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, fgexbill@... writes:

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 08:57 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The CN historical society once sold correct color paint.

http://www.cnrha.ca/node/966

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

Modelflex still does, it is called CN #11 :I think, reddish

Bill Welch


Re: PFE reefer kits R-40-20

Dick Harley
 


Tim,

The only PFE 40-ft steel reefers that I know Sunshine did were the R-40-10 and the R-40-26.

The R-40-14 and R-40-20 are very similar, with the -20 being 1-1/2 inches taller.
I would make an R-40-20 from an InterMountain R-40-10 (and ignore the taller height), but I suppose you could replace the roof and underframe of a Trix car and narrow the ends.
See: https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/PFEModels/PFE-Steel-Ice-Reefer-Models/R-40-14/
and  https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/PFEModels/PFE-Steel-Ice-Reefer-Models/R-40-20/


Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA