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Re: Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (Circa 1950s)
Tangent Scale Models
Bob,
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Re: P&P Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record
Yes that makes sense. As Steve is active with the Santa Fe historical society, it would make sense he is working on a ATSF conductor’s record, thus explaining the abbreviations for ATSF and SFRD
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 8:56 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] P&P Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record
Makes more sense than anything else we have seen, so far. 29 cars from the range 527-1024 remained in January 1925 ORER. 36 feet inside length.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Krueger
Could P&P be the ATSF subsidiary Santa Fe Prescott & Phoenix? They had boxcars numbered 501-1024 in 1917.
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Re: P&P Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record
Makes more sense than anything else we have seen, so far. 29 cars from the range 527-1024 remained in January 1925 ORER. 36 feet inside length.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Krueger
Could P&P be the ATSF subsidiary Santa Fe Prescott & Phoenix? They had boxcars numbered 501-1024 in 1917.
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P&P Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record
Could P&P be the ATSF subsidiary Santa Fe Prescott & Phoenix? They had boxcars numbered 501-1024 in 1917.
Paul Krueger Seattle, WA
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Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (Circa 1950s)
David
This one is a 10,000 gallon Dow car, but otherwise shows off the lack of side and end sills of the Type 26:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/24725334589 Aside from that, the car has the typical mid-late 1920s AC&F construction traits: ladder stiles twisted 90 degrees and wrapped over the handrail, the handrail and platform brackets attached to the tank bands, the tank saddle having two outward flanges, and the corner grabs attached just inboard of the end dome rivet pair. David Thompson
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Re: Photo: T&P Livestock Car 22098 (Circa 1946)
Tony Thompson
ken akerboom wrote:
Just a poor modeling job <vbg>. Tony Thompson
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Re: Photo: T&P Livestock Car 22098 (Circa 1946)
The angled bracket to the left of the door is used to hold the “bull bar” when it is not in use. This was a wood board used across the door opening to prevent large animals from escaping while the door was being open or closed. It fit into slots within the door framing. When not in use the board was placed in the outside bracket for storage, often with a chain to keep it attached to the car. Not all roads used them.
Attached is a photo of a metal one in position in the door opening. And a second photo showing a traditional wood one in the stored position on CBQ 55966.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of akerboomk
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 3:19 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: T&P Livestock Car 22098 (Circa 1946)
A couple questions
Ken
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (1952)
Among many other things, like sodium hydroxide, DOW Midland made Saran Wrap. This would be shipped in boxcars.
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On Oct 12, 2020, at 5:51 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:
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Re: Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (Circa 1950s)
Take a look at
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-HQLhRft/A
It was ID’d last year as a Type 26 car.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 4:32 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (Circa 1950s)
David,
What are spotting characteristics for this car? I would have called it just about anything but AC&F! 😉
Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of David via groups.io <jaydeet2001@...>
The real find is DOWX 38109, a ACF Type 26 probably renumbered from 8319
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (1952)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Jim, all;
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22804 is an almost new 8,000 gallon ICC 103-W, so not pressure tanks, or acid tanks in the 1% dome format, but AC&F-built for lease to whoever, in this case, Dow Chemical. 22774 is slightly older than 22804. Both very common AC&F-built cars. Sometimes stenciled with the intended contents, these do not appear to be. It looks like the 22804 is spotted for filling via that filler overhead. There are older 103's in the long string behind. There IS an acid tank in that string, 8th from right. Two GATC-built cars to right. Interesting mix of cars, and both with-, and without-dome platforms. Different manufacturers. Also, a great mix of box cars behind. Lots of different heights and types of construction. NYC, MoP, who else? Far in distance are some (I think) insulated pressure tanks, maybe ICC 105's, with valve casing "domes". There has to be a great range of products to support this varied a fleet of cars. Anyone care to speculate about what the box cars are for? I think a hint might be the presence of those big distillation towers..... Great pic! Elden Gatwood
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Ogden Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 4:30 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (1952) Looking at GATX 24991, might one surmise it’s in acid service? That doesn’t look like an expansion dome to me. Jim Ogden Argyle, Texas
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Re: Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (Circa 1950s)
David,
What are spotting characteristics for this car? I would have called it just about anything but AC&F! 😉
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of David via groups.io <jaydeet2001@...>
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 4:25 PM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (Circa 1950s) The real find is DOWX 38109, a ACF Type 26 probably renumbered from 8319
at some point. David Thompson
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Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (Circa 1950s)
David
The real find is DOWX 38109, a ACF Type 26 probably renumbered from 8319 at some point.
David Thompson
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Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (1952)
David
This is almost one of the prototypes for the Tangent 8k GATC acid tank. The corner grabs are mounted in a different location, though.
David Thompson
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Re: Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920
staplindave
Anybody know where the Erie car float went from and too in Chicago? Was it meant to sort cut the terminal railroads? Dave Staplin
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Don't fall into the saur chasm (was Deciphering a Conductor's record)
On Oct 11, 2020, at 22:09, Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@comcast.net> wrote:
From Piedmont & Western Railroad Club website - Railroad reporting marks:First class source, that. CGW = Chicago Great Western<sarcasm>Lone Pine & Tonopah (AKA Little Potties & Toilets), Kermit Paul's layout in Walnut Creek, CA</sarcasm> MRJX = Marcus-Ruth-Jerome?. Possibly a Mather refrigerator car (type R). The company rendered fat.Thankyew; I'd seen that in a photo somewhere... CMstP = Chicago, Milwaukee & St. Paul - a prior name for Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific (Milwaukee Road)see above in re: MRJX. P&P = P&PU = Peoria & Pekin Union?s. be DTOX, neh? It all helps fill in the gaps.
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Re: Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920
Mansell Peter Hambly
Are there any decals that are like this? Thank you.
Mansell Peter Hambly COQUITLAM, B.C.
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From: Andy Carlson
Sent: October 12, 2020 11:17 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920
Here is a drawing made by the late Al Armitage of the WP car in early lettering scheme. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA On Monday, October 12, 2020, 9:30:10 AM PDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
It seems there’s a Western Pacific boxcar on this float that is the prototype of the resin parts Andy Carlson was recently selling. It’s at the 2:20 mark.
Is that a circular Feather River Route emblem on the right side of the car?
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
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Re: Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (1952)
Jim Ogden
Looking at GATX 24991, might one surmise it’s in acid service? That doesn’t look like an expansion dome to me.
Jim Ogden Argyle, Texas
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Re: Photo: T&P Livestock Car 22098 (Circa 1946)
akerboomk
A couple questions - What is the angled steel(?) “bracket”, about half way between reporting marks and door (even with lint under the marks)? - The “door stop” (plate seen mostly by its shadow) seems a bit thin to me???
Ken -- Ken Akerboom
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: UTLX 69755 Loading Hot Rosin (Circa 1960)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Bill;
Those little blue pellets are likely the little plastic spheres used in Styrofoam manufacture. One summer job I made Styrofoam billets from pellets made by 3M. They did indeed get shipped in covered hoppers from 3M.
The expanded pellets were indeed impossible to contain, and either stuck to everything, or blew into every nook and cranny.
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of erieblt2
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 2:07 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: UTLX 69755 Loading Hot Rosin (Circa 1960)
Sorry for an aside. For some unknown reason this picture Sparked an old memory. In the early 60’s I saw the result of a derailed overturned split open covered hopper at Parkville Junction on the Long Island Rail Road’s Bay Ridge Branch. The hopper was carrying tiny blue plastic beads to be made into...(?) ‘stuff’. It was everywherE! The mild wind blew the little spheres all around. I still have an empty 35mm film canister filled with the little pellets! I still wonder how they cleaned it up! It was inshovelable(?‘could not be shoveled’). Cleaning up wrecked reefer contents must also been tough! Celery !?! And spilled resin!!!!! Yikes! Bill S
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Re: Retractable Brake Staffs on Flat Cars - An Operational Question
Tony Thompson
Rich Yoder wrote: In as much as Dennis answered the question. I thought I would offer up a few photos that were used by the Reading Railroad to show customers that shipped large items how their drop down hand brake feature worked on their gondolas. Thanks, Rich! Superb photos, couldn't be more clear. And the whitewashing for instructional purposes certainly makes everything completely understandable. (Good pedagogy, you might say.) Tony Thompson
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