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Re: F&C

Bill Lugg
 

Works on Linux Mint Silvia using Firefox 70.0.1.  I haven't seen their products in a while.  It was interesting browsing through their product line.

Bill Lugg

On 11/28/19 9:35 AM, Edward wrote:
Site could not be 'found', according to the pop-up message.
I'm using MS Edge with WIN 10.
Ed Bommer

Re: F&C

Edward
 

Site could not be 'found', according to the pop-up message.
I'm using MS Edge with WIN 10.
Ed Bommer 

Re: F&C

Jon Miller
 

On 11/27/2019 8:55 PM, James SANDIFER wrote:

I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/


    Opened with IE 11, Win 10 for me.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
I went and checked the LIRR entries in my Dec 1930 ORER.
 
The car shown in one of the original photos is LIRR 2793. This makes it part of series 2781-2899 with 55 cars. The ORER shows an inside length of 37' 9" and an outside length of 40' 2".
 
The PRR class XL boxcar has an inside length of 36' 0" and an outside length of 37' 1 1/2".
 
Therefore Bob is correct and I am wrong - these cars were indeed NOT conversions from PRR class XL boxcars.
 
Thanks Bob for clearing this up for us.
 
Claus Schlund

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

I believe these are Rodger/Hart convertible ballast gondolas.

Bob Witt

See these examples:

Re: F&C

Riverboy
 

It opens for me fine in Chrome on the computer, but says "not secure".

Tod C Dwyer

On Thursday, November 28, 2019, 05:12:27 AM EST, Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Opens in Apple but says not secure!!!
Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 28 Nov 2019, at 04:56, James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:



I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

Re: F&C

Paul Doggett
 

Opens in Apple but says not secure!!!
Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 28 Nov 2019, at 04:56, James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:



I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

Re: F&C

Tim O'Connor
 


opens up in Firefox and Chrome immediately


On 11/27/2019 11:55 PM, James SANDIFER wrote:

I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: F&C

Douglas Harding
 

Works for me as well.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Bayless via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 11:04 PM
To: Steam Freight Car
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] F&C

 

 

I tried your link and it came up just fine, Dave

 

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

 

------ Original message------

From: James SANDIFER

Date: Wed, Nov 27, 2019 8:55 PM

To: Steam Freight Car;

Cc:

Subject:[RealSTMFC] F&C

 

I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

Re: F&C

Dave Bayless
 


I tried your link and it came up just fine, Dave

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------
From: James SANDIFER
Date: Wed, Nov 27, 2019 8:55 PM
To: Steam Freight Car;
Cc:
Subject:[RealSTMFC] F&C

I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

F&C

James SANDIFER
 

I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

Re: Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

rwitt_2000
 

I believe these are Rodger/Hart convertible ballast gondolas.

Bob Witt

See these examples:

Re: ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

James SANDIFER
 

The SK-O had transverse air reservoirs.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 7:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

 

Thanks, Bill. I have Sandifer’s book, and other stock cars had transverse air reservoirs, so I surmised that the Sk-O would also have them. Different roads handled KC to AB brake system conversions differently. The CB&Q mounted all three components on the same side of the center sill on SM-16/18 conversion, and the air reservoir was in line with the center sill. It’s always best to ask, rather than speculate.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 4:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

 

Nelson they were mounted in a travers orientation.

Very few Santa Fe cars had the reservoir mounted parallel to the center sill.  Most were cars with a Durea underframe.  I believe that the Bx38 war emergency car had the parallel mounting.  I'm not at home right now and can't verify that.

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>

Date: 11/26/19 12:44 PM (GMT-10:00)

Subject: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

 

I’m building the Westerfield Sk-O kit with AB brakes, and I’d like to know if the air reservoir was mounted in line or transversely. I can’t tell for sure from the right side photo of ATSF 68093.

 

Nelson Moyer

Re: Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

espee4441
 

This reminds me of a LFCD flat I photographed down in Durango circa 2006 or so. Very similar, I think their car was a bit newer but not by much since in Mexico the rules are a tad different (or so it seems). In this particular case it was hauling heavy granitic rocks, about 12-16" in diameter approximately. 

Neat photo, Bob!

Tony Pawley

Re: Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob,
 
That is a very nice photo find.
 
I think these LIRR gons - at least the ones with the fishbelly side sills - were conversions from LIRR or PRR class XL 36ft inside length boxcars. The boxcar structure was taken off, and only the fishbelly underframes kept. The sides were really side doors, and the cars primary purpose was to be used for trash service, carrying trash out of Penn Station New York. The design concept was that once you opened the side doors, workers with rakes and/or shovels could empty out the trash at a dump site by just pushing/pulling the trash load out and over the side edge.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 12:40 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

Photos taken in 1912 from the Arrt's Arrchives website courtesy of J. S. Concrete:

https://www.arrts-arrchives.com/images2/ja610scan0022mixer1.jpg

Caption: These   gondolas   had   side   doors   which   opened   for   unloading.

https://www.arrts-arrchives.com/images2/JA620scan0023AUG12mix.jpg

Caption: Two   different   types   of   gondola[s]

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

Photos taken in 1912 from the Arrt's Arrchives website courtesy of J. S. Concrete:

https://www.arrts-arrchives.com/images2/ja610scan0022mixer1.jpg

Caption: These   gondolas   had   side   doors   which   opened   for   unloading.

https://www.arrts-arrchives.com/images2/JA620scan0023AUG12mix.jpg

Caption: Two   different   types   of   gondola[s]

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

I could not recall this chap’s name, but his models were impressive. I saw them at a Chicagoland RPM event years ago. In addition to dented gons he had a flat car load of a rumpled-up covered hopper being removed from a wreck site. The tears and wrinkles were wonderfully executed. Despite a number of comments and photos here, I still don’t think distorted plastic looks like bent metal. Several modelers here have tried to represent the distressed gondola “look”, with varying degrees of success. But it still does not look quite right. Soft plastic still does not bend, dent, or crease like metal. This might be a good opportunity for some resin kit maker to offer such a decrepit gondola. The master would be hard to make, but I can’t see why the subsequent castings wouldn’t be acceptable. Perhaps just the distressed panels could be offered, for insertion into existing mass-market plastic gondolas. The panels could be made a bit oversized, so they could be trimmed to fit a number of prototype dimensions.

Part of the problem with the softened plastic method is that the bulges look like they were pushed-out by big air bags … they are FAR too smooth and regular in shape. Most real gondola bulges are the result of numerous small dents accumulating over time. They have a rough and bumpy texture, with occasional perforations. And, if modeled, the interior should have a matching appearance. Part of the problem is that the typical plastic sides are far too thick ... they bulge but don’t dent or crease. Perhaps 0.005” styrene would work better, but, then, why not just go to thin metal (see above) and get it “right”? I’m not saying this can’t be done in plastic, but that I’ve never seen it, in person or in photos, and I’ve seen MANY attempt it. I few have come real close, but never “quite” right.

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Nov 26, 2019, at 12:51 PM, David Allen <dallen@...> wrote:

Folks: The felloe Dan Mitchell mentions is Jeff Eggert. A while ago (October, 2003) Jeff showed his model of C&NW 742149 at a division meet in Two Rivers, WI. It is exquisite. He made new sides and ends of thin ,001 shim brass sections with styrene posts. I have seen a write-up somewhere, but I cannot find it now.

Be well.  Dave Allen

Re: Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

Jeff Eggert
 

While this topic is making dents in plastic car bodies, it is just one of the many methods to create a dented the gon.

As Dave Allen eluded to, here is the How-To:
http://www.yardoffice.com/RR/Modeling/howto/tangons.html

Jeff Eggert

Re: ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Bill. I have Sandifer’s book, and other stock cars had transverse air reservoirs, so I surmised that the Sk-O would also have them. Different roads handled KC to AB brake system conversions differently. The CB&Q mounted all three components on the same side of the center sill on SM-16/18 conversion, and the air reservoir was in line with the center sill. It’s always best to ask, rather than speculate.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 4:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

 

Nelson they were mounted in a travers orientation.

Very few Santa Fe cars had the reservoir mounted parallel to the center sill.  Most were cars with a Durea underframe.  I believe that the Bx38 war emergency car had the parallel mounting.  I'm not at home right now and can't verify that.

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>

Date: 11/26/19 12:44 PM (GMT-10:00)

Subject: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

 

I’m building the Westerfield Sk-O kit with AB brakes, and I’d like to know if the air reservoir was mounted in line or transversely. I can’t tell for sure from the right side photo of ATSF 68093.

 

Nelson Moyer

Re: ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Nelson they were mounted in a travers orientation.
Very few Santa Fe cars had the reservoir mounted parallel to the center sill.  Most were cars with a Durea underframe.  I believe that the Bx38 war emergency car had the parallel mounting.  I'm not at home right now and can't verify that.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Date: 11/26/19 12:44 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

I’m building the Westerfield Sk-O kit with AB brakes, and I’d like to know if the air reservoir was mounted in line or transversely. I can’t tell for sure from the right side photo of ATSF 68093.

 

Nelson Moyer

ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

Nelson Moyer
 

I’m building the Westerfield Sk-O kit with AB brakes, and I’d like to know if the air reservoir was mounted in line or transversely. I can’t tell for sure from the right side photo of ATSF 68093.

 

Nelson Moyer