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Re: color MDT reefers in the '40s

D. Scott Chatfield
 

While you might call it a slightly orangish yellow as opposed to lemon yellow, those cars are definitely not orange.


Scott Chatfield


Re: color MDT reefers in the '40s

ROGER HINMAN
 


Yes, I'm still alive

If you go to the LOC collection and do a search on "South Water Street Chicago", and look at the fifth photo down titled "

General view of part of the South Water Street Illinois Central Railroad freight terminal, Chicago, Ill.


you will see a striking example of a freshly painted MDT car next to a few that have weathered, a portion of this picture was in my book on pg 142

Roger Hinman

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Subject: RE: [STMFC] color MDT reefers in the '40s

 
MDT reefers are shown in https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsac.1a34776/ and https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsac.1a34780/

Don Burn

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] color MDT reefers in the '40s

Ed Mines asked:
"Ted's new reefer book says - "Like many other cars illustrated herein, it was painted with orange sides, the MDT- standard for cars painted in the 1930s and through the 1950s.........." (page 49).

I recall Roger Hinman said the same thing in his book (currently in my storage locker).

Aren't there several Jack Delano color photos taken in Chicago during WWII that show several lemon yellow sided, wooden MDT reefers?"

It would help immensely if you could reference the photos in question. The entire collection is available online.
https://www.loc.gov/collections/fsa-owi-color-photographs/about-this-collection/

"Has Roger passed?"

Roger is not dead - he's a member of this list.

Ben Hom


Re: color MDT reefers in the '40s

Tim O'Connor
 


The Delano photos and another photo I grabbed from Ebay (with good color rendering)
show yellowish cars but it could be fading. All later photos (1950s+) are definitely
a mild orange, slightly darker than NP reefers for example but more subdued than PFE.

Tim O'



Aren't there several Jack Delano color photos taken in Chicago during WWII that show several lemon yellow sided, wooden MDT reefers?

     Orange did fade toward yellow. A photo of an orange car in service for some time cannot be definitive on this color.

Tony Thompson


Re: color MDT reefers in the '40s

Tim O'Connor
 

Speaking of MDT reefers, were the MLKX reefers with double sheathed
sides, steel dreadnaught ends and steel roofs clones of the MDT reefers
or were they second hand, or what?

Thanks!

Tim O'Connor


Re: color MDT reefers in the '40s

Bruce Smith
 

Of course - "our companies" - FGE, etc...


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Ed Mines askes:
Were there any 1940s era 40ft ice reefers with school bus yellow (mostly yellow with a little orange)?



Re: color MDT reefers in the '40s

ed_mines
 

Thanks Don.


So some of you think the sides of the reefers in those photos have faded from orange to yellow?


Ed Mines



Re: color MDT reefers in the '40s

Don Burn
 

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] color MDT reefers in the '40s



Ed Mines asked:
"Ted's new reefer book says - "Like many other cars illustrated herein, it was painted with orange sides, the MDT- standard for cars painted in the 1930s and through the 1950s.........." (page 49).

I recall Roger Hinman said the same thing in his book (currently in my storage locker).

Aren't there several Jack Delano color photos taken in Chicago during WWII that show several lemon yellow sided, wooden MDT reefers?"

It would help immensely if you could reference the photos in question. The entire collection is available online.
https://www.loc.gov/collections/fsa-owi-color-photographs/about-this-collection/


"Has Roger passed?"

Roger is not dead - he's a member of this list.


Ben Hom


Re: color MDT reefers in the '40s

Tony Thompson
 

ed mines wrote:

 
Aren't there several Jack Delano color photos taken in Chicago during WWII that show several lemon yellow sided, wooden MDT reefers?

     Orange did fade toward yellow. A photo of an orange car in service for some time cannot be definitive on this color.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: color MDT reefers in the '40s

Benjamin Hom
 

Ed Mines asked:
"Ted's new reefer book says - "Like many other cars illustrated herein, it was painted with orange sides, the MDT- standard for cars painted in the 1930s and through the 1950s.........." (page 49).

I recall Roger Hinman said the same thing in his book (currently in my storage locker).

Aren't there several Jack Delano color photos taken in Chicago during WWII that show several lemon yellow sided, wooden MDT reefers?"

It would help immensely if you could reference the photos in question.  The entire collection is available online.


"Has Roger passed?"

Roger is not dead - he's a member of this list.


Ben Hom


color MDT reefers in the '40s

ed_mines
 

Ted's new reefer book says - "Like many other cars illustrated herein, it was painted with orange sides, the MDT- standard for cars painted in the 1930s and through the 1950s.........." (page 49).


I recall Roger Hinman said the same thing in his book (currently in my storage locker).


Aren't there several Jack Delano color photos taken in Chicago during WWII that show several lemon yellow sided, wooden MDT reefers?


Has Roger passed?


Were there any 1940s era 40ft ice reefers with school bus yellow (mostly yellow with a little orange)?


Ed Mines



Re: ORERs

Earl Tuson
 

Four days ago, Dennis Storzek wrote,

I'm sure there were other instances of agents being asked to find cars with a specific dimension or other characteristic,
and having some idea how large the potential target population was would be useful.

Dwight Smith, former B&M Freight Sales employee, once shared a story regarding his efforts to locate a considerable
number of 50' double door box cars in order to forward on to the Suncook Valley Railroad in 1951 or so, for loading out the
machinery from the last remaining textile mill in Suncook Village for shipment to another location down south. His
complaint centered on the fact that while the significant effort required (presumably with ORER in hand,) in obtaining the
cars for the shipment fell to the B&M, and him in particular, the SV got a more favorable rate by directing the cars to be
shipped SV-B&M-(Worcester)-NYNH&H... rather than SV-B&M-(Mechanicsville)-D&H... or perhaps (Rotterdam Jct)-NYC...

Fifty years later, Dwight quipped something to the effect of, "We got shorthauled!"

Earl Tuson


What did you use to remove Rapido lettering or paint from their meat reefers?

gary laakso
 

I have 4 Rapido painted and lettered meat refrigerator cars that need to have their lettering and/or paint removed.  Has anyone done this, and if so, how?  Well, I did find an unpainted meat refrigerator car, so one down and 4 to go.  TIA 

 

Gary “tax forms done” Laakso

south of Mike Brock


Re: Team Track Vincennes, Indiana ca ~1959

rwitt_2000
 


Team Track Vincennes, Indiana ca ~1959

rwitt_2000
 

Unloading furniture from a PRR box car in Vincennes, Indiana. The year for the re-weight date looks like "59" to my eyes.

Bob Witt


Re: New Products Tank Cars

hubert mask
 

Thank you for your suggestion. 

Hubert 


On Apr 14, 2017, at 2:52 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Dear Hubert, I suggest next time to paste the link to your website in your message so people can just click on it.


Bill Welch


Re: New Products Tank Cars

Bill Welch
 

Dear Hubert, I suggest next time to paste the link to your website in your message so people can just click on it.

Bill Welch


Re: Car Types for a Brown & Haley Candy Factory

Chuck Soule
 

I do not have any specific information about car traffic to the Brown & Haley Candy Factory, but can speak a little bit from local knowledge.  Let me contemplate this while munching on some Almond Roca...

The dairy component could very easily have arrived by truck or even horse wagon in the early 1900s because there were dairies within 5 miles.

Cocoa might have been shipped from elsewhere by rail, but the Milwaukee owned an ocean dock only 2 miles from the factory.  So it could have been shipped by truck or freight car, depending on the size of the shipment and economics.

Sugar could have arrived either by ship, particularly cane sugar, or by railcar (sugar beet sugar from Eastern Washington or alternate sources).

Chuck Soule
Gig Harbor, WA

Brown and Haley Makes 'em Daily


Re: Asleep at the Wheel Re: Broadway Limited 6K tank cars

SUVCWORR@...
 

Received my invoice yesterday.  I expect to have the cars late next week.  I know  a number of you ordered from me.  I have those orders and will fill them first.

Rich Orr
GR Collectibles


-----Original Message-----
From: fgexbill@... [STMFC]
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Sent: Thu, Apr 13, 2017 5:24 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Asleep at the Wheel Re: Broadway Limited 6K tank cars



It appears these are now landing in hobby shops. It seems like I requested a couple of specific cars from someone here on the list that is a BL dealer who planned to breakup the four-packs. Then again I may have dreamed I made this request. If this is wringing any bells with anyone, please send me a message offline to fgexbill(at)tampabay.rr.com

Alternatively, I know it is not Friday Noon but if you are a BL Dealer of broken bricks, please feel free to send me a message offline to the same address above. I think I am most interested in Virginia Chemical, Penn Salt, and Columbia Southern.

Thank you,
Bill Welch



Re: CNJ box car

Tim O'Connor
 

A recent email of inquiry started a chain of events that lead to a finished CNJ box car model. Alan Mende has the details in a DesignBuildOp guest post. In addition to a scratchbuilt box car, he shares several images of scratchbuilt model in a virtual RPM. Check it out!

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2017/04/14/assisting-others-cnj-box-car/

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


New Products Tank Cars

hubert mask
 

Wanted to let the group know that I have limited 4 Packs of the new Broadway Limited Imports new tank cars posted on my web site.  Look and click on the BLI logo.

Also view my selection of time era decals for this group.  I have upgraded my web site for more convenience.


Thank you!


Hubert Mask


Mask Island Decals Inc.


maskislanddecals.com