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Re: Running Boards Replacements (Sorry, No Ladder Talk In This Post)

Michael Gross
 

Thanks much, Bob. I did not know this gallery existed, and as I worked in engine service for the C&NW in 1967, it brought back some great memories.

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Running Boards Replacements (Sorry, No Ladder Talk In This Post)

Bill Welch
 

I am playing with Morton "Coarse Kosher Salt" sprinkling it on randomly—which I am finding to be very subjective, I mean how can one be intentionally random?!—then spritzing on water and letting it dry. This sort of tacks the salt on enough to stay on while airbrushing. Then take a fairly stiff brush and knock the salt off.

Finding a happy medium between too much and too little is subjective too. There are lot a of Videos on YuoTube about both salt and hairspray, which I have not tried yet. One source swore by the Morton "Coarse Kosher Salt" which is why I am using it. The 16oz. container will go a long way at my pace.

The Resin Car Works modeling blog has some photos of various modelers experiments. I strongly suggest people log onto YuoTube and check the various resources there. Lots of good stuff there by modelers of all kinds.

Bill Welch
 


Re: Running Boards Replacements (Sorry, No Ladder Talk In This Post)

Dave Parker
 

I think the way the roof panels are blistering (and corroding?) is equally interesting.  I recall a discussion a few months back on trying to achieve this look in HO, but of course can't find any notes that I might have taken.  I have a very vague recollection of table salt?  Or maybe hairspray?  Can somebody jog my feeble short-term memory?

Thanks in advance.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA




On Thursday, April 6, 2017 2:06 PM, "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
PanPastels were wonderfully for this. On about every third model I build I will scratch build the running board and latitudinals using Mt.Albert scale 1x6 wood strips. I will find some photos of how I do this and post them via Dropbox.

Bill Welch



Re: Running Boards Replacements (Sorry, No Ladder Talk In This Post)

Bill Welch
 

PanPastels were wonderfully for this. On about every third model I build I will scratch build the running board and latitudinals using Mt.Albert scale 1x6 wood strips. I will find some photos of how I do this and post them via Dropbox.

Bill Welch


Re: ladder nomenclature - from Wikipedia

Dave Parker
 

For those who are finding this thread tedious, I would politely suggest that you avail yourself of that little button labeled DELETE.  Your expression of disinterest does not really add anything to the conversation.

Speaking only for myself, I do find the nomenclature interesting because it reflects how the Cycs evolved (or not) over time, as well as how the safety appliance standards were phased into them. 

Regarding Bob Witt's comments, those terms (ladder rounds and ladder side rails) date to at least the 1903 Cyc, and likely earlier.  The same definition appears in the glossary section until at last 1922 (I am away from my 1931, but I would guess it's unchanged).

Starting in 1912, there is a long Safety Appliances section that is also located within the glossary section.  Here, the corresponding terms are ladder treads and stiles (no rungs).  It also gives all the relevant details concerning tread spacing, distance from the car-end, etc. that were required by the 1911 SAA .  Starting with the 1922, the SA section was moved into a separate section closer to the back of the book, and retains the tread-stile nomenclature.

This is not the first time that I have found an internal discrepancy in the MCB-ARA nomenclature.  They seemed reluctant to edit pre-existing text when they introduced new standards.  Of course they lacked word-processors, but I wonder if it actually had more to do with the effort of introducing minor legislative changes at the annual MCB/ARA meetings.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA




Re: Running Boards Replacements (Sorry, No Ladder Talk In This Post)

rwitt_2000
 


Re: Running Boards Replacements (Sorry, No Ladder Talk In This Post)

Eric Hansmann
 

I first saw a model version of this in 2005 at a mini-RPM Bill Welch hosted in northern Virginia. Bill had replacement running boards on several reefer models that were unpainted or a slightly different shade of the roof color. His work influenced my efforts on many models since then. I usually just paint a portion of the running board casting, which is different from Bill’s method of replacing the casting with strip wood. Both methods work and the effect is frequently noted when the models are displayed.

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 


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Subject: [STMFC] Running Boards Replacements (Sorry, No Ladder Talk In This Post)

 




This photo link is from the Chicago and North Western Railway Archives Art Collections.

 

It shows running boards that have been replaced over time. I'm sure it has been noted here previously but this would be a good detail to model.

 

https://pixels.com/featured/freight-train-headed-away-from-navy-pier-chicago-and-north-western-historical-society.html

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Re: ladder nomenclature - from Wikipedia

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote :

Yeah, sure, but there IS a difference between stiles and styles. That was my main point.


Schuyler
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Problem es, spellin' as gone all ta 'ell dees days.

Dennis Storzek


Also One Of The Last Shipments To Cuba

thecitrusbelt@...
 

OK, last photo link from the Chicago and North Western Railway Archives Art Collections.

 

The sign on the reefer proclaims this is the first export shipment of seed potatoes to Cuba. The caption dates the photo as 1959. I'll bet it also was one of the last export shipments of seed potatoes to Cuba.


https://pixels.com/featured/historic-seed-potato-export-to-cuba-1959-chicago-and-north-western-historical-society.html

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


REA Express Reefer In Freight Train

thecitrusbelt@...
 

This is another photo link from the Chicago and North Western Railway Archives Art Collections.

 

It shows an REA express reefer mixed in with non-express reefers. Assuming this express reefer was loaded, how often would such reefers appear in freight trains rather than in passenger trains?

 

https://pixels.com/featured/freight-train-crosses-high-bridge-1959-chicago-and-north-western-historical-society.html

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Running Boards Replacements (Sorry, No Ladder Talk In This Post)

thecitrusbelt@...
 

This photo link is from the Chicago and North Western Railway Archives Art Collections.

 

It shows running boards that have been replaced over time. I'm sure it has been noted here previously but this would be a good detail to model.

 

https://pixels.com/featured/freight-train-headed-away-from-navy-pier-chicago-and-north-western-historical-society.html

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: ladder nomenclature - from Wikipedia

John Barry
 

Extra STYLE points for using STILES?
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]"
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Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: ladder nomenclature - from Wikipedia

 
Yeah, sure, but there IS a difference between stiles and styles. That was my main point.

Schuyler

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And the list of things we take way too seriously continues to grow.....

Tom Madden

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Re: ladder nomenclature - from Wikipedia

gary laakso
 

Perhaps, it needs a “don’t tread on me” sticker attached to it.

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock

 

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It’s still early in 2017 but I have no reservations about nominating Tom’s post as The Post of the Year.

 

Dave Nelson

 

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And the list of things we take way too seriously continues to grow.....

Tom Madden





Re: ladder nomenclature - from Wikipedia

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Yeah, sure, but there IS a difference between stiles and styles. That was my main point.



Schuyler



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And the list of things we take way too seriously continues to grow.....



Tom Madden


Re: ladder nomenclature - from Wikipedia

Dave Nelson
 

It’s still early in 2017 but I have no reservations about nominating Tom’s post as The Post of the Year.

 

Dave Nelson

 

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And the list of things we take way too seriously continues to grow.....

Tom Madden




Re: ladder nomenclature - from Wikipedia

Jeff Coleman
 

The FRA also refers ladders as stiles and treads made of wood, iron or steel.

Jeff Coleman


On Apr 6, 2017 12:47 PM, "rwitt_2000@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

The 1912 CBD has the following definitions:

Ladder Round: A round cross bar or step of a ladder.

Ladder Side Rails: The vertical side pieces to which the ladders rounds are attached.

In the definition of a ladder it states that "The individual bars, whether of wood or iron, and whether round or square, are termed ladder rounds."

Bob Witt



Re: A NEW EPIPHANY ON YARMOUTH LADDERS

Bill Vaughn
 

Thanks for the suggestion, I have many to bend but have had little success.  Hopefully will have time to try soon.

Bill Vaughn


On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 2:01 PM, "WILLIAM PARDIE PARDIEW001@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 

I have been a big fan of Pierre's ladders since they came out. At first (like many) I had some difficulty executing the bends. With practice I mastered this procedure. Properly placing the styles in the bending machine has also proven to be a challenge. Recently I am using Pierre's styles to improve the appearance of the ends of some USRA box cars.
I use the bent style over the cast on style on the outboard side. I shear off half of the style for the inner part. I use the bending tol for this clamping ithe half with the holes inboard and using the Micor Mark small saw to shear off the outer half.

This morning I learned that placing toe etching in the tool was easier if I did not remove it from the overall fret. You guys probably knew this all the time but kept this to yourself.

Sometmes a simple solution makes life so much easier

Bill Pardie



Re: ladder nomenclature - from Wikipedia

rwitt_2000
 

The 1912 CBD has the following definitions:

Ladder Round: A round cross bar or step of a ladder.

Ladder Side Rails: The vertical side pieces to which the ladders rounds are attached.

In the definition of a ladder it states that "The individual bars, whether of wood or iron, and whether round or square, are termed ladder rounds."

Bob Witt


Re: ladder nomenclature - from Wikipedia

Tom Madden
 

And the list of things we take way too seriously continues to grow.....


Tom Madden


Re: ladder nomenclature - from Wikipedia

Dave Parker
 

FWIW, there is an American Ladder Institute.  They only seem to use the term (side) rail.  I did not see stringer or stile in their list of recognized terms.




Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


On Thursday, April 6, 2017 7:51 AM, "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Dennis opines:

I would think the preferred term would be "stiles". That would be consistent with architectural usage, where the vertical members of a door or sash are stiles, while the horizontals are rails.

Well, yes, that’s correct about DOORS, but we’re talking about ladders. But I do agree about using stiles for the vertical parts of a ladder. And ladders have rungs.

Schuyler

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---In STMFC@..., wrote :

The vertical members of a rigid ladder are called stringers or rails (US) or stiles (UK).

Guys, it’s been driving me nuts to read about ladder styles. That’s not what they are called. The vertical parts are stringers, rails or stiles.

The horizontal parts are called “rungs.”

Schuyler

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I would think the preferred term would be "stiles". That would be consistent with architectural usage, where the vertical members of a door or sash are stiles, while the horizontals are rails.

Dennis Storzek

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