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Re: PM XA 60123

Matt Goodman
 

You're doing a fantastic job, Earl. I scanned through the page before getting to the end of the email and started thinking that it needs to be in a searchable format, wishing I knew enough about web development to offer a suggestion or lend a hand.

Then I went back to the email and realized you're already thinking about that. Double fantastic job!

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio

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On Mar 3, 2017, at 8:09 AM, 'Earl Tuson' @etuson [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Hello all,

I've been mining the Steamtown scans for freight car images, and I came across this view showing Pere Marquette auto
box car 60123, apparently an example of a wood framed, single sheathed box car design:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-10-14/C4743.jpg

Oddly, I cannot find a corresponding series listed in Million & Paton's outstanding Pere Marquette Revenue Freight Cars
book. Does anyone have anything to add about this car?

FWIW, my progress with the Steamtown scans posted by Pat McKnight can be found here, down below the Duke
University list and the Miami Conservancy District list:

http://fc.redmansefarm.com/photos.html

This is very much a work in progress... a bit more each night, but Mr. McKnight posts more every day, and I've got a bit
of catch up to play. I'm working at it from both ends and only a bit more than halfway through, with about 2 years
remaining from mid 2014 to mid 2016. There are a whole bunch of inactive links on my page; those will be ready
later. Ultimately, it needs to go into a searchable and sortable file format, but I'm not there yet.

Earl Tuson


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Re: FGE 25339 - NPS photos

gary laakso
 

Richard:  Marvelous photos, thanks for sharing! 

 

The FGEX at that time was owned by Armour.  The white residue on the truck journals, would that be from the ice drainage spouts?  What is that big pipe over the door?  Likely a vent feature?  The end pictures show the wood boards with the v grove slots.

 

Gary Laakso

South of Mike Brock

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 6:59 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] FGE 25339 - NPS photos

 

 

All

Up today... more from the freight car photo series on the ErieLack
archive site...
part of the NPS Steamtown collection posted by Pat (Richard) McKnight;

FGE 25339 - built 1-13... photo circa-1919

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-03-17/X1446.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-03-17/X1447.jpg
The car-end trust/lease plates are not something I had noted previously

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-03-17/X1448.jpg
...with a large supporting cast of cars in the background.

Continued from yesterday... another view of PRR 102549 Class Rf - built 9-06
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-03-17/X1445.jpg
with bonus car CP 286168 'Dressed Meat Service' bearing wedge-shaped
hatch covers.

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: MKT 97001-97300 Boxcars

Ed Hawkins
 


On Mar 3, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Bill Keene wakeene@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Hello Group,


Just a quick question regarding the MKT 97001-series box cars…

When built, did these cars get painted in box car red or Sloan Yellow? Or perhaps the painting of this order was split between both colors?

Thanks & Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA
Bill,
As specified in the ACF bill of materials for lot 3281, M-K-T 97001-97300:

Sherwin-Williams (150)/Pittsgurgh (150) Katy Standard Red - sides, ends, roof, running boards; black car cement - u/f; black - trucks; white - stencils

Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: MKT 97001-97300 Boxcars

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hello Group,

Just a quick question regarding the MKT 97001-series box cars…

When built, did these cars get painted in box car red or Sloan Yellow? Or perhaps the painting of this order was split between both colors?

Thanks & Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Mar 3, 2017, at 3:20 PM, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


I have the original Jim Sand’s slide of MKT 97193. I can read the data on the side, BLT 1-49. It definitely has a raised panel roof, but the angle is such that I cannot tell if there is a secondary panel. There are no raised sections in the end panels of the roof

 

Of interest to some, the car is equipped with wood grain doors, the grain door panels for the near door are laying in the car on the floor.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 




FGE 25339 - NPS photos

Richard Brennan
 

All

Up today... more from the freight car photo series on the ErieLack archive site...
part of the NPS Steamtown collection posted by Pat (Richard) McKnight;

FGE 25339 - built 1-13... photo circa-1919

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-03-17/X1446.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-03-17/X1447.jpg
The car-end trust/lease plates are not something I had noted previously

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-03-17/X1448.jpg
...with a large supporting cast of cars in the background.

Continued from yesterday... another view of PRR 102549 Class Rf - built 9-06
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-03-17/X1445.jpg
with bonus car CP 286168 'Dressed Meat Service' bearing wedge-shaped hatch covers.


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: MKT 97001-97300 Boxcars

Douglas Harding
 

I have the original Jim Sand’s slide of MKT 97193. I can read the data on the side, BLT 1-49. It definitely has a raised panel roof, but the angle is such that I cannot tell if there is a secondary panel. There are no raised sections in the end panels of the roof

 

Of interest to some, the car is equipped with wood grain doors, the grain door panels for the near door are laying in the car on the floor.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: SFRD 50 foot wood reefer question

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

That's it!

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Mar 3, 2017, at 2:28 PM, Justin May westpointroute@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

> I don’t see one on the north side, but there is one the south side, next to the tracks. Near the intersection of West Broadway (I-20 Business) and Poplar.

This may help to narrow it down.


Or from the other side -


Justin May


Re: MKT 97001-97300 Boxcars

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Tim,

Thank you for the education. Much appreciated. 

I am also planning on attempting to model a couple of cars of this class. Do you have any suggestions for modeling the correct ends?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Mar 3, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


From the ground, I think it may be hard to see the difference between the
"Stanray" (SRE) rectangular panel roof and the ACF "carbuilder" roof. Both
have stamped rectangles in each panel but the ACF has a secondary stamping
in the middle of the panels.

That photo is a Jim Sands shot from 1966.

Tim O'Connor



I am not sure if this image will be of much help in answering your questions… but wortth a shot…
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mkt/mkt97193ajs.jpg

To my very untrained eyeballs it appears that the car has a raised panel roof. Maybe. Hard to tell from this view.

Cheers & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



Re: MKT 97001-97300 Boxcars

Bill Welch
 

Or you wait for the Yarmouth series of kits . . .

Bill Welch


Re: MKT 97001-97300 Boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 


From the ground, I think it may be hard to see the difference between the
"Stanray" (SRE) rectangular panel roof and the ACF "carbuilder" roof. Both
have stamped rectangles in each panel but the ACF has a secondary stamping
in the middle of the panels.

That photo is a Jim Sands shot from 1966.

Tim O'Connor



I am not sure if this image will be of much help in answering your questions� but wortth a shot�
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mkt/mkt97193ajs.jpg

To my very untrained eyeballs it appears that the car has a raised panel roof. Maybe. Hard to tell from this view.

Cheers & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


Re: MKT 97001-97300 Boxcars

Allan Smith
 

Thank You All for answering. I now have that file and can work on a model.

Al Smith
Sonora CA


On Friday, March 3, 2017 1:44 PM, "Bill Keene wakeene@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Al,

I am not sure if this image will be of much help in answering your questions… but worth a shot…

To my very untrained eyeballs it appears that the car has a raised panel roof. Maybe. Hard to tell from this view.

Cheers & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Mar 3, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Allan Smith smithal9@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


I have conductors lists from the Sierra RR in 1952-1954. One car on the list is MKT 97165. I have a photo from an article in Modelrailroading of car 97095. The photo is a broadside shot and does't show the ends and roof, December 1948 is the built date with a 6' 5-6-6 youngstown door. I have gone thru all the new lists on the steam era freight car site and can't find this series. 1948 was a year of change in freight car construction with the new ends and roofs.
Can anyone provide details for these cars? Ends , roofs, brake gear, manufacturer etc.

Al Smith
Sonora CA





Re: early ORER's

Charles Peck
 

Speaking only for older ORERs that I have handled, they seem to have been printed on something like old 
newspaper quality paper. They were, after all, a periodical with a short shelf life.  After many years  if not
protected properly, they turn brown and will crumble with a touch.  I suppose being stored under archival
conditions they will last longer but still not forever.  
After acquiring a couple of digital copies I felt I wanted, I gave my paper copies to a museum. I was not willing
to thumb through them and do further damage.  No point keeping something I could no longer freely use.
Chuck Peck 

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Randy Hammill wrote:

 

If you could physically read them, could you take a picture with your phone? No risk of damaging the books that way.


     Yes, archives increasingly permit photography with a phone. But if you need to flatten out the book to get the pages flat, with an older volume of the ORER, that's almost automatic damage, and I'm sure it would not be permitted.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history







Re: MKT 97001-97300 Boxcars

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Al,

I am not sure if this image will be of much help in answering your questions… but worth a shot…

To my very untrained eyeballs it appears that the car has a raised panel roof. Maybe. Hard to tell from this view.

Cheers & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Mar 3, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Allan Smith smithal9@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


I have conductors lists from the Sierra RR in 1952-1954. One car on the list is MKT 97165. I have a photo from an article in Modelrailroading of car 97095. The photo is a broadside shot and does't show the ends and roof, December 1948 is the built date with a 6' 5-6-6 youngstown door. I have gone thru all the new lists on the steam era freight car site and can't find this series. 1948 was a year of change in freight car construction with the new ends and roofs.
Can anyone provide details for these cars? Ends , roofs, brake gear, manufacturer etc.

Al Smith
Sonora CA



Re: early ORER's

Tony Thompson
 

Randy Hammill wrote:

 

If you could physically read them, could you take a picture with your phone? No risk of damaging the books that way.


     Yes, archives increasingly permit photography with a phone. But if you need to flatten out the book to get the pages flat, with an older volume of the ORER, that's almost automatic damage, and I'm sure it would not be permitted.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: MKT 97001-97300 Boxcars

Ed Hawkins
 

Ed Hawkins hawk0621@... [STMFC] wrote:


A separate roster of postwar AAR box cars with ACF proprietary ends has
been sent to be uploaded to the STMFC web site, but at this time is not
yet available.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Al,
I stand corrected as I just noted that under the heading "Postwar AAR" box cars are several separate lists including this one having the proprietary ACF ends.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: MKT 97001-97300 Boxcars

Ed Hawkins
 

Allan Smith smithal9@... [STMFC] wrote:
I have conductors lists from the Sierra RR in 1952-1954. One car on the list is MKT 97165. I have a photo from an article in Modelrailroading of car 97095. The photo is a broadside shot and does't show the ends and roof, December 1948 is the built date with a 6' 5-6-6 youngstown door. I have gone thru all the new lists on the steam era freight car site and can't find this series. 1948 was a year of change in freight car construction with the new ends and roofs.
Can anyone provide details for these cars? Ends , roofs, brake gear, manufacturer etc.
Al Smith
Sonora CA
Al,
The M-K-T 97100-97300 cars in question were covered in RP CYC Volume 26 as part of my article on ACF box cars having the builder's proprietary ends built from 1948 to 1950. These M-K-T cars also had proprietary ACF carbuilder roofs as well.

The updated "postwar AAR" box car roster now available for downloading on the STMFC web site is limited to 40'-6" box cars having 4-4 Improved Dreadnaught ends and Canadian NSC ends from National Steel Co. built at roughly the same time.

A separate roster of postwar AAR box cars with ACF proprietary ends has been sent to be uploaded to the STMFC web site, but at this time is not yet available.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: MKT 97001-97300 Boxcars

David Sieber
 

Al,

     Suggest you check again:  http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/2017EdHawkinsMaterial/Postwar%20ACF%20Proprietary%20Corrugated%20Ends%20(1948-1950).pdf.  

     Easy to miss - they're among the small group (2,550 cars) of Postwar AAR boxcars with ACF Proprietary Corrugated Ends.  Per Ed Hawkins' table, they are 12-panel welded side boxcars with the proprietary 4/4 ACF Corrugated Riveted End and ACF Riveted Roof, etc.  The basic carbody would be hard to kitbash, but I believe these cars may be coming out in resin in the near future ...

Dave Sieber

Reno NV


From: STMFC@... on behalf of Allan Smith smithal9@... [STMFC]
Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 11:56 AM
To: STMFC YahooGroup
Subject: [STMFC] MKT 97001-97300 Boxcars
 
 

I have conductors lists from the Sierra RR in 1952-1954. One car on the list is MKT 97165. I have a photo from an article in Modelrailroading of car 97095. The photo is a broadside shot and does't show the ends and roof, December 1948 is the built date with a 6' 5-6-6 youngstown door. I have gone thru all the new lists on the steam era freight car site and can't find this series. 1948 was a year of change in freight car construction with the new ends and roofs.
Can anyone provide details for these cars? Ends , roofs, brake gear, manufacturer etc.

Al Smith
Sonora CA


Re: early ORER's

rhammill
 

If you could physically read them, could you take a picture with your phone? No risk of damaging the books that way.

Randy
--
Randy Hammill
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954   |   http://blog.newbritainstation.com
True Line Trains   |   http://truelinetrains.com


Re: MKT 97001-97300 Boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Al

I don't know the exact details, but they're very likely listed
in one of Ed's new spreadsheets. There is a photo of 97190 in
Morning Sun's "IC In Color" (p.70) that clearly shows carbuilder
4/4 ends so most likely an ACF product. The series is 97001-97300.

Tim O'Connor


I have conductors lists from the Sierra RR in 1952-1954. One car on the list is MKT 97165. I have a photo from an article in Modelrailroading of car 97095. The photo is a broadside shot and does't show the ends and roof, December 1948 is the built date with a 6' 5-6-6 youngstown door. I have gone thru all the new lists on the steam era freight car site and can't find this series. 1948 was a year of change in freight car construction with the new ends and roofs.
Can anyone provide details for these cars? Ends , roofs, brake gear, manufacturer etc.

Al Smith
Sonora CA


Re: SFRD 50 foot wood reefer question

Justin May
 

> I don’t see one on the north side, but there is one the south side, next to the tracks. Near the intersection of West Broadway (I-20 Business) and Poplar.

This may help to narrow it down.


Or from the other side -


Justin May